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FallenTraveler

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Except for the fact that Holmes wasn't terrible, it was perfectly serviceable and it maintained a style that everyone asked for more of. Holmes maintained its style and created an interesting set of action pieces. I was more entertained by this than I have been by other movies of late.

Also, why is it always so bad to play what you're good at playing?
 

Inkidu

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Well, Bob, I'm going to go see Sherlock Holmes tomorrow, and if I end up liking it I think that will be your third strike as a trusted reviewer for me. Technically it will be more than three, but allow me my cliche, if you'd be so kind.
 

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I resent his quote that Sherlock Holmes is far from the source material. The original stories were dime stories meant for the masses. Sherlock Holmes lived a bohemian lifestyle full of gambling, drug use, and fighting in between his cases. And he even was a master martial artist (specifically in baritsu, cane fighting). Holmes was "sophisticated up" over the ages into the straight-thinking, no-fighting detective. Even the ending in the second movie is completely similar to the original Holmes v. Moriarty story, Holmes tackles Moriarty over a waterfall. And Watson experienced the biggest changes of all in past cinema experiences. Sherlock Holmes originally was the pulp fiction action fare of the day, Guy Ritchie just updated it with explosions.
 

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When are we gonna get beyond this quasi-steampunk nonsense? It's ridiculous, unnecessary, and overlaps some actual, historically accurate aspects of the era that people might be interested in seeing if you weren't replacing them with the INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION'S ANSWER TO IMPERIAL STORM TROOPERS.

Even Captain America is guilty of this. We get it, the war was fought and won, but it wasn't like the average GI had to fight cyborgs that shoot demons. You can make a plot (cliched as it is) like kick-starting WWI (or II) without having to resort to this. Hell, the movie would be more interesting if it didn't. But thinking is hard, so robots, won't you?
 

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SnakeoilSage said:
Even Captain America is guilty of this. We get it, the war was fought and won, but it wasn't like the average GI had to fight cyborgs that shoot demons. You can make a plot (cliched as it is) like kick-starting WWI (or II) without having to resort to this. Hell, the movie would be more interesting if it didn't. But thinking is hard, so robots, won't you?
I'm pretty sure the Captain America movie was just following the craziness from the comics. Just sayin'.
 

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LobsterFeng said:
I'm pretty sure the Captain America movie was just following the craziness from the comics. Just sayin'.
http://blip.tv/at4w/captain-america-comics-1-5773562

Linkara, nationally pitied comic book expert, discusses the first Captain America comic. I rest my case.
 

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FallenTraveler said:
Except for the fact that Holmes wasn't terrible, it was perfectly serviceable and it maintained a style that everyone asked for more of. Holmes maintained its style and created an interesting set of action pieces. I was more entertained by this than I have been by other movies of late.

Also, why is it always so bad to play what you're good at playing?
Seconded.

I whole-heartedly disagree with you on Holmes there, Bob. Then again I'm on the positive end of the "Mixed" reviews. I love when Holmes does the prediction-deduction ability of his, and for the record he does it only 1 actual time. Minor spoiler that won't ruin anything but I'll put it in anyway,
he predicts 3 times, he fights 1 time
The first movie did it 2 or 3 times in full if memory serves.
 

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If I want GOOD Sherlock Holmes I'll watch BBC's Sherlock (the second season of which starts next spring). Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman have GREAT chemistry as Holmes and Watson and the plots never come off as forced-action schlock
 

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EDIT: about Sherlock 2 being bad - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, damn you cruel destiny, I have been looking forward to this movie for such a long time, I really liked the first one, might be one of the movies I watched the most times, I even watched for last New year. God damn it all to hell.
Jesus dude, if you liked the first one there's no reason to not see the second one. What, Moviebob didn't like it? So what? You'll probably love it.
 

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Well I just saw MIssion Impossible 4 tonight, and well, I thought it was good?

:3 I hope I'm not the only one..
 

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Interesting that you didn't enjoy Holmes 2. I saw it this afternoon and really enjoyed it. Having read through your article I can definitely see why you thought it was bad - they might have overused the thinking out the battle before it happens thing a bit too much. However, I thought it improved on the original, as the villain in the first never really felt like much of a threat, as it was obvious that his whole black magic thing would be a traditional 'cheap tricks to scare people until Holmes works it out' arc, which sort of undermined everything he did. Moriarty in comparison, though admittedly not the best Moriarty I've seen (see BBC's 'Sherlock'), was a genuine challenge to Holmes, and the final conflict was a clever reworking of the final conflict between Sherlock Holmes and Moriarty in the original stories. I personally enjoyed the fight scenes, as they broke things down into the piece-by-piece analysis inherent in any Holmes narrative. I never felt confused during the fight scenes - everything was clear and well-constructed.
Having said all that, it's certainly a film which I can easily see as having divided reception, and I enjoy reading constructive criticism to something I enjoyed and otherwise wouldn't have examined in such a way. Thanks Bob.
 

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Wait, MI4 has a 95% on Rotten Tomatoes? Crap, that's more than Tropic Thunder. :/
 

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SnakeoilSage said:
LobsterFeng said:
I'm pretty sure the Captain America movie was just following the craziness from the comics. Just sayin'.
http://blip.tv/at4w/captain-america-comics-1-5773562

Linkara, nationally pitied comic book expert, discusses the first Captain America comic. I rest my case.
What case is that, exactly?
 

algalon

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Holy bugged forums Batman. I couldn't read the posts before posting. Oh, went to see Holmes tonight. I liked it. I should've expected the last part but somehow I forgot the tell 30 minutes prior. Oh and SPOILER Irene dies. I expected it to be a bit more dramatic, maybe a shot from that gun Moriarti kept holstered under his wrist in the first movie. Haven't seen MI 4. Don't expect that I'll bother since the second and third movies were very forgettable.
 

Inkidu

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Well, I watched Sherlock Holmes: AGoS, and it was absolutely fantastic, and yes I watch more than one movie a year. So, Bob, that's your last ball dropped on me. I still like the Big Picture though, so see you Tuesday.
 

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algalon said:
Holy bugged forums Batman. I couldn't read the posts before posting. Oh, went to see Holmes tonight. I liked it. I should've expected the last part but somehow I forgot the tell 30 minutes prior. Oh and
Irene dies. I expected it to be a bit more dramatic, maybe a shot from that gun Moriarti kept holstered under his wrist in the first movie.
Haven't seen MI 4. Don't expect that I'll bother since the second and third movies were very forgettable.
You should put that spoiler tags, like so.

Anyway, I saw Sherlock Holmes today, and I have to say I really enjoyed it, possibly more than the first one. I thought that the mental game of chess was really cool. Sure, it wasn't Oscar material, but it was heck of alot better than alot of movies this year
 

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What case is that, exactly?
That Captain America didn't get his start fighting Nazi steampunk warbots, and the Red Skull wasn't some mad scientist building ray guns with alien technology. Even though super-science is involved, his origin story practically breezes over the fact to focus on Captain America hunting Nazi saboteurs on American soil.