EA published Valve games for retail. Maybe Valve pulled out of this deal and what we're seeing is some form of retaliation.
Dragon Age 2 Disappears From Steam
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To be honest Steam isn't exactly any good apart from the sales and if EA has them I say let them have this gang war.I'm not boycotting either because I want to pretend I'm really pretentious.
Either way it will be an interesting test to see how their games sell on steam vs their origin service, steam is the veteran in this fight origin is the new kid, EA does not have to sell as many units on origin as they would have to on steam to turn a profit, vs how many they lose to steam only people.
That is if valve or ea will release the DD numbers at all for either service.
That is if valve or ea will release the DD numbers at all for either service.
EA is really going in to this digital distribution business the wrong way. Removing games from one service so they can charge more on the other? Not exactly endearing to their consumer-base. I was already pretty against Origin when I learned last week that their price for The Old Republic digital copy was the same as a physical box, and this just reaffirms my theory that Origin is going to crash and burn like Games for Windows Live.
I know how you feel because to me it feels like EA just slapped me in the face and said "hey buy from my shitty service when there was already an even better service than mine".Zhukov said:
I mean,isn't it obvious,how else would Dragon Age 2 just vanish.
EA hired a wizard,end of dicussion
P.S. EA is really stupid for starting Origin,because nobody will download ANOTHER program just to play EA games unless they're PC Elitists or don't own any consoles.
The_root_of_all_evil said:
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Too those quoted and others blaming EA for this: This was a decision made by Valve to pull the title not EA. Valve believes that EA has somehow violated a distribution agreement and therefor pulled the title from their store of their own choice. If you cannot access a title and you're angry blame the company who made the choice. EA has already made statements that they have not pulled any content. In fact if you read the article you'd have known that it was Valve's choice to pull content...danintexas said:
Blame where it's deserved people.
Competition would be both selling the game. This is just another simultaneous service you have to set up an account for.Nimcha said:
I'm having my doubts as to whether Origin works - so far many of its predecessors were extremely clunky to use, but the real turnoff is that I'm getting sick and tired of having to manage a gazillion accounts and services for little to no added value.
The last time I checked I had 30-50 separate accounts for different websites and (partially) web-based services. I am very much not interested in having to remember yet another password.
Alright, nothing personal against you, but what they are doing isn't competition, people need to stop saying this. It's a monopoly on THEIR products. If they offered sales, prices, and products from other developers on par with STEAM, therefore driving the prices of both down, THEN it's competition. If they sell their products alone only on their service for more then other services, that's the definition of a monopoly.Nimcha said:
This is clearly EA's fault, they've either deliberately pulled the games or the next best thing they've refused to comply with some of valves conditions (which all other publisher comply with) to give them an excuse to pull the games and blame valve.
This is a naked gambit by EA to support Origin. Plain and simple. Anyone who believes this is Valve's fault is naively swallowing EA's spin.
This is a naked gambit by EA to support Origin. Plain and simple. Anyone who believes this is Valve's fault is naively swallowing EA's spin.
Wrong. Patently wrong sir. Dragon Age Origins was fantastic, with a few minor, overlookable flaws. It is the most enjoyable game I've ever played, and firmly rooted me into camp Bioware.The_root_of_all_evil said:
Dragon Age 2 fixed maybe two of those flaws and went WAY OVERBOARD in changing things we'd come to know and love in Origins. They changed things that didn't need changing, for the worse, in most people's opinions. Dragon Age 2 made me feel really uncomfortable, and if I didn't already love Origins, Jade Empire, and both Mass Effects, I might have slunk out of camp Bioware with a whimper.
OP: It's interesting to me that the boot the crappy sequel and keep the better original.
After going through a few forums concerning this I found that a lot of people are blaming either EA or Valve, but from what I gathered its both of their faults for this cause.
Why both? From what I understand Valve released a new policy regarding DLC that companies that have their games on their services require them to have the DLC available to consumers through Steam and not their independent stores. Meaning, the new DLC content Dragon Age 2 release was available on Bioware's stores but not Steams. Which EA did not follow that said policy. So in response Valve removed the game. From the date the policy was put into effect this DLC did not follow the conditions of being placed onto their services.
Because the older games, (Mass Effect 2, etc) that were placed into Valves provider was there before the policy was put into effect they fall under the grandfather effect. They are protected unless a new DLC for Mass Effect 2 comes out soon, then that game is breaching the agreement.
So whose fault is it? Sure you can point fingers to Valve for instating this policy, or removing the game because it breached the policy agreement or you can you point fingers at EA for breaching that policy, for putting their DLC on their site and not providing a DLC for Steams.
But the way I see it in the end it is both companies faults. In the end their actions from both sides of the fence are affecting their consumers which in itself is rather sad because if they all worked together things could just be easier for others.
Also as a added note, Crysis 2 was affected by this same policy as I understand it.
Why both? From what I understand Valve released a new policy regarding DLC that companies that have their games on their services require them to have the DLC available to consumers through Steam and not their independent stores. Meaning, the new DLC content Dragon Age 2 release was available on Bioware's stores but not Steams. Which EA did not follow that said policy. So in response Valve removed the game. From the date the policy was put into effect this DLC did not follow the conditions of being placed onto their services.
Because the older games, (Mass Effect 2, etc) that were placed into Valves provider was there before the policy was put into effect they fall under the grandfather effect. They are protected unless a new DLC for Mass Effect 2 comes out soon, then that game is breaching the agreement.
So whose fault is it? Sure you can point fingers to Valve for instating this policy, or removing the game because it breached the policy agreement or you can you point fingers at EA for breaching that policy, for putting their DLC on their site and not providing a DLC for Steams.
But the way I see it in the end it is both companies faults. In the end their actions from both sides of the fence are affecting their consumers which in itself is rather sad because if they all worked together things could just be easier for others.
Also as a added note, Crysis 2 was affected by this same policy as I understand it.
Question really is EA using this DLC loophole to get Steam to remove their big games or new releases from Steam? At this point it is pretty much guaranteed that if Mass Effect 3 is on Steam, it will be for a limited time only until DLC arrives. Highly doubtful it ends up there at this rate though.
It just seems like EA's decision is a deliberate measure to ensure a punch in the wallet to Steam. I'm not a Steam fanboi. I'll buy where ever the price is best, but these occurrences don't seem like they help the bottom line for the consumer.
It just seems like EA's decision is a deliberate measure to ensure a punch in the wallet to Steam. I'm not a Steam fanboi. I'll buy where ever the price is best, but these occurrences don't seem like they help the bottom line for the consumer.
EA's trying to prove they love the PC market, and yet keep pulling shit like everyone else has explained on this thread.
They really are trying to have their cake and eat it too.
They really are trying to have their cake and eat it too.