Dragon Age 2 Sure is...Busty.

[jaywalker118]

Nothing wrong with a pair of big boobs, I'm all for it.

P.S. This site has CAPTCHAS? Goddamn it.

 

[theevilsanta]

I'm pretty sick of hearing people whine about large breasts. It's gotten to the point where people act like anyone having large breasts is unnatural and never happens. I've spoken to a couple of large busted females, and they've noticed it as well, and they aren't even hardcore gamers.
It's almost like some people are jealous that their real life selves or girlfriends do not have a chest that big. Why else should you care? Girls that have big boobs do exist. Just because they are not A or B cup does not make them abnormal.

As a woman, I find it degrading when a game panders to the 16-year old pocket mining demographics by painting some huge titties on the girls, to drive sales. It's demeaning.
Its just not realistic either. As someone thats trained in martial arts I know that if you're working your body in that sort of a way, theres one and only one way you're going to keep those giant tits, and it involves a knife and silicon.

Amen to that. I don't mind having a few big breasted women, but let's at least have them actually representing the true demographic, here! Do we really need to have 95% of the women in the game with banging double D's? No, we don't! It's just totally unrealistic, and impractical. Women who went into battle with breasts that big usually had to strap them down, if anything.

But it's not 95%. It's one companion character. Let's do a rundown of the female companion characters:

Isabella - huge breasts
Bethany - initially huge breasts, but a joke. They're actually average sized, maybe a bit bigger than average.
Aveline - average breasts (and thick armed if you're interested in some realism)
Merrill - small breasts to almost flat chested, if you look at the screen shots.

So we're essentially looking at 25% of the main characters having larger than normal breasts. Not bad for a video game.

ps - i was creeped out at nearly seeing Isabella's waste ejector every time she turned around. That's something I'd complain about.

 

[Super Toast]

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I'm assuming you live in the middle of L.A, right next to a plastic surgeons office.

 

[Caiti Voltaire]

Its kind of the same principle that super heroes/villains follow in regards to their capes. As Taskmaster once said, "I know its a liability, but it just looks so cool."

Obviously in this case we can substitute "cool" for "hot". And while I agree that the massive chests on these women is unnecessary, the whole realism argument kind of falls apart when you have characters in full plate armor lunging into giant groups of enemies while swinging a sword that can kill horse and rider in one chop. I don't think physics are taken into consideration when making fantasy RPGs.

Yes, I do suppose that we are in the realm of juvenille male power fantasy, but it would be nice if, one of these days, someone would make a fantasy game that at the very least was less demeaning to use "girl gamers". Who says I even WANT to make a character with huge jubblies? Honestly I see some of the women in these games and cant help but sympathetically wince, because tits that large are an express ticket to lifelong back pain.

So sure, its shallow and demeaning and all that, and we've probably beaten that discussion to the ground in countless other Escapist threads, but I basically have to play a kid, to play a girl that doesnt have huge mammaries. And that's both frustration and depressing.

 

[Super Toast]

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I'm assuming you live in the middle of L.A, right next to a plastic surgeons office.

Not at all. Big boobs are everywhere. Also my wife has a pair.

Yeah... well... SHUT UP, THAT'S WHY!

[sub][sub]Lucky son of a...[/sub][/sub]

 

[Dethpixie]

I subscribe to the "this isn't an issue" school of thought. It's fine for characters to be sexy so long as that's not all they are. That is to say, as long as Bioware still puts the kind of effort into their backstory that they usually do the game won't suffer and I'll still thoroughly enjoy it. Besides, the point that Varric is telling the story and he's prone to embellishment is valid, they've been using it all along to justify their changed character models.

So, pretty much, if the story is still good I could care less what someone's cup size is.

Now can we please stop complaining about tits? Seriously guys it's just getting silly.

 

[Zom-B]

You mean age as in the time the game takes place in or age of the people going to play the game? Its M rated incase you didn't know.

I actually meant age as in age of the character. How many 50 or 60 year old women do you see with such round and perky breasts? Not too many unless they're wearing an incredible bra or have had implants put in. In reality (yeah, I know this is fantasy) life expectancy in a medieval type society could be anywhere from somewhere in the 30s to maybe the 50s. Health care as we know it was non-existant and we didn't have the modern bra until about 1913 and before that it was corsets, which weren't meant so much to support the breasts as they were to narrow the waist.

All that being said, a woman such as the character I mentioned would probably have flattened, well used breasts from breastfeeding many children (child mortality rates being what they were) and she certainly wouldn't have a pair of luscious knockers like she had.

 

[Zom-B]

Now can we please stop complaining about tits? Seriously guys it's just getting silly.

I think that's the point though. Hollywood and by extension, the gaming industry either cannot or refuses to give us female (and for that matter, male!) characters with realistic or even average proportions, except in a small minority of cases.

Sure, I love tits. You love tits. We all love tits, but do they always need to be gargantuan? Does the female character always need to be long legged, thin waisted, huge chested and beautiful? It really shows a lack of imagination, imo.

 

[Agayek]

What he said, unreliable narrator and all that.

[sub]I mean, it's probably just to show great tracts of land, but that's the justification.[/sub]

You totally just won the internet with that.

 

[Dethpixie]

As someone thats trained in martial arts I know that if you're working your body in that sort of a way, theres one and only one way you're going to keep those giant tits, and it involves a knife and silicon.

Actually I dated a very, very, well endowed black belt for quite a while. And since I'd known her since we were in junior high I can vouch for their natural qualities.

 

[Vrach]

I'm just wondering, have you guys ever seen the difference a push up bra makes on the appearance of a woman's breasts? Just what makes you think fantasy settings are devoid of them?

 

[SageRuffin]

When I first saw, I found it a little unsettling sure. But now, I'm like most others, and am simply indifferent to it all now.

 

[8bitmaster]

I never finished the demo, although I got to the non-exaggerated story and I cannot believe I missed that. Ah well, looks like I need to play it through again to find that. I really didn't notice all that much, then again I was playing a male mage Hawke and did everything from way in the back. I don't see how all women in the game with big breasts is that much of a problem. Its a game. Just go with it.

 

[Caiti Voltaire]

Actually I dated a very, very, well endowed black belt for quite a while. And since I'd known her since we were in junior high I can vouch for their natural qualities.

That would mean more to me if certain martial arts schools didn't hand out black belts like candy these days.

 

[Dethpixie]

Now can we please stop complaining about tits? Seriously guys it's just getting silly.

I think that's the point though. Hollywood and by extension, the gaming industry either cannot or refuses to give us female (and for that matter, male!) characters with realistic or even average proportions, except in a small minority of cases.

Sure, I love tits. You love tits. We all love tits, but do they always need to be gargantuan? Does the female character always need to be long legged, thin waisted, huge chested and beautiful? It really shows a lack of imagination, imo.

Actually the point I was making is that every time a game comes out that may feature breasts there's this big uproar on forums about how it's unrealistic and over-sexualizing. It's like there's no middle ground between pocket-mining teenagers and the sexually repressed.

Personally I like large breasts, I like looking at attractive characters. But I like a good story more and if a game can deliver that they can make the breasts whatever size they like, I don't care. We're really fixating on the wrong parts here.

I think diversity in game characters will come in time. I'd love to see some female characters with a wider wasteline, I'd love to see male characters that were thinner and less muscular. I think eventually we'll get there but it won't be because we complained about tits on the internet it will be because it fits in the narrative of the story and because the developer actually believes that what matters to players is a characters personality. Right now we aren't showing that, we're showing that what matters is a woman's cup size.

 

[Fappy]

Its kind of the same principle that super heroes/villains follow in regards to their capes. As Taskmaster once said, "I know its a liability, but it just looks so cool."

Obviously in this case we can substitute "cool" for "hot". And while I agree that the massive chests on these women is unnecessary, the whole realism argument kind of falls apart when you have characters in full plate armor lunging into giant groups of enemies while swinging a sword that can kill horse and rider in one chop. I don't think physics are taken into consideration when making fantasy RPGs.

Yes, I do suppose that we are in the realm of juvenille male power fantasy, but it would be nice if, one of these days, someone would make a fantasy game that at the very least was less demeaning to use "girl gamers". Who says I even WANT to make a character with huge jubblies? Honestly I see some of the women in these games and cant help but sympathetically wince, because tits that large are an express ticket to lifelong back pain.

So sure, its shallow and demeaning and all that, and we've probably beaten that discussion to the ground in countless other Escapist threads, but I basically have to play a kid, to play a girl that doesnt have huge mammaries. And that's both frustration and depressing.

The Elder Scrolls series never had any hyper sexualized or extremely busty women from what I can recall and Skyrim, while the women certainly look prettier (and by that I mean not hideous), doesn't give me the impression that things will change for the franchise. So that's one fantasy RPG that isn't guilty of all this

 

[Caiti Voltaire]

The Elder Scrolls series never had any hyper sexualized or extremely busty women from what I can recall and Skyrim, while the women certainly look prettier (and by that I mean not hideous), doesn't give me the impression that things will change for the franchise. So that's one fantasy RPG that isn't guilty of all this

Okay, I have to conceed that point. In fact I actually remember thinking Morrowind's girls were kind of pretty without being overly sexualised, and in face actually looked kind of real, as far as anything looked real back then. But the faces in Oblivion, inversely, looked like they'd gotten beaten with an ugly stick, so there's that.

Skyrim looks promising, I must admit.

 

[Caiti Voltaire]

I agree with this; if the story is interesting enough it shouldn't matter whether their breasts are pancakes or melons, because your attention will be elsewhere. If its the tit factor people play the game for you have failed as a designer.

OT: I never played DA, but this is-pardon the pun-shaping up good. I might go ahead and buy it...as soon as my PS3 is fixed.

We all know why DA:O sold so well. It involved lesbian sex scenes with Leliana. And that's why some people are reacting to DA 2 having such ridiculous knockers with a great deal of cynicism.

 

[OliverTwist72]

This thread arouses my interests [sub][sub][/sub][/sub]

 

[Caiti Voltaire]

Again, I haven't played any of the games or even read about it (bar a few internet articles) so I wouldn't know why it sold well. I select my games on whether they keep my interest from beginning to end-or at least partway to the end- and whether they have good characterisation and atmosphere. Not what girl licks what. If I want that I'll go find porn, or get a girl myself. For games its strictly business.

That being said, if its relevant to the storyline/romance then I'll do it; otherwise, I'm not in the least bit fussed.

I can see what you mean for other folk though; I'd be pretty cynical of a game in which sex was one of the highlights.

I think that was my problem. I had the original DA recommended to me by a friend whom thought that perhaps I would enjoy it as it was a roleplaying game which offered lesbian romance options, and I am myself, with another woman.

Unfortunately for all of Bioware's vaunted writing abilities (I think Bioware is increasingly overrated these days personally), it basically boiled down to "Say things in a particular order, complete quest, get sex scene as a reward." It was as shallow as a spoon and quite uninteresting, and I found it rather demeaning. I pretty much played it through the once and forgot about it.

That the characters are so blithely well-endowed in DA 2 does not fill me with hope that they're going to improve upon that, this time.