Dragon Age 3: Inquisition

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disgruntledgamer

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Seems to be playing the "Spritual Sequel to Baulder's Gate" card again.
Fool me once Bioware...

Meanwhile, a real spiritual successor to the BG/IWD/PST games just launched their kickstarter.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/obsidian/project-eternity

They can keep their shiny graphics and Dragon Turds.
Should've guessed you would show up.

OT: Cautiously optimistic, DA2 was okay and ME3's ending was a stab in the back; I'll give Bioware the benefit of the doubt but its 3 strikes your out...
"You're"

And they're already on their 3rd strike IMO. Also DA 3 will incorporate shitty multiplayer since EA stated they're not going to green light any single player only games.
 

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"Hey guys, remember all the old Bioware stuff? The stuff that was good? Well let me remind you again.

Oh yea I totally like Dungeons and Dragons.

We all remember how badly we fucked up ME3, so we are just going to jump on the 'we're listening' platitude train right from the start. We're totally listening.

DA3 is going to be an RPG. And we can't tell you anything else"

Yea no, fuck off Bioware. I know you're high off the smell of your own shit but I'm not sniffing anymore
 

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A few years ago this would have excited me.

Now, not so much.

I didn't like DA2, the Mass Effect series as a whole didn't do anything for me and SW:TOR sucked giant hairy monkey balls.

If this was following on from DA:O instead of the repetition of shite that was DA2 then i'd probably have got it on release. As it stands I may get it when the price drops drastically if I hear enough good things about it.

BioWare games have gone from must haves to "if I see them on Amazon for under a fiver and i'm drunk enough then I may buy it".
 

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Leonardo Chaves said:
Have you ever heard about Witcher 2? pretty f... state of the art tech.
Dude, you should put down that Xbox-controller.

On the PC, we once had a game called, uh, CRYSIS. It came out in, let's see, 2007. Let me calculate that. Yes, that's actually FIVE years ago. And Crysis looked better in EVERY. FUCKING. WAY. By what definition is W2 state of the art? Heck, even FAR CRY had lusher forests than W2. And the facial expressions don't match those in HALF LIFE 2. Both of these games are from frickin' 2004.
 

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Yeah, no. I'm probably going to avoid this one. I mean, I was kind of planning to avoid Mass Effect 3, but EA kind of had me by the balls since I wanted to see the conclusion of all the story arcs and there was no other way I was going to do it properly. I even thought the ending couldn't be that bad... See how that turned out.

But I don't have quite the same level of attachment to the Dragon Age series, as much as I loved Origins. Dragon Age 2 had some pretty fun characters as well, but the overall story arc isn't interesting enough for me to feel like I've got to have this one. In fact, there isn't really an overall story arc at all, is there? You just got told at the end of Dragon Age 2 that the Chantry is losing it's grip on people purely because some bad stuff (rather specific bad stuff for that matter) went down in Kirkwall.

RubyT said:
Leonardo Chaves said:
Have you ever heard about Witcher 2? pretty f... state of the art tech.
Dude, you should put down that Xbox-controller.

On the PC, we once had a game called, uh, CRYSIS. It came out in, let's see, 2007. Let me calculate that. Yes, that's actually FIVE years ago. And Crysis looked better in EVERY. FUCKING. WAY. By what definition is W2 state of the art? Heck, even FAR CRY had lusher forests than W2. And the facial expressions don't match those in HALF LIFE 2. Both of these games are from frickin' 2004.
...Did people who misjudge the technological quality of a game murder your parents or something? Relax.
 

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Padwolf said:
I'm just going to try to be optimistic about it. I loved Dragon Age 2, I know it had it's flaws but it had some great ideas in it. It sounds really fantastic though.
Same I clocked more hours on DA 2 then DA:O. Origins was fun but got boring near the end. also the different origins didn't really make a difference after you get to the quest to get the tainted blood.

The banter was much much better in DA 2. Personally i liked the skill trees in 2 better then origins.

I can not wait for DA 3 and for me it will probably be a first day buy (or pre-order even).
 

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realistically, there is nothing to comment on here. Mark is trying to play on our nostalgia for older (great) games, appeal to the RPG fans with a nod to D&D (regardless if he actually plays or not) then confirm something which we have known since PAX EAST 2012 (possibly earlier, not entirely sure).

The only thing in his entire comment that is remotely "interesting" is the Frostbite 2 engine. If they take advantage of this engine, the game should look pretty darn good.

The comments ,
"We've visited message boards, read reviews, and we've gone to events to have direct face to face conversations with some of our most passionate fans. We've been listening, and we will continue to listen.

Recently, I said that we didn't want to talk about Dragon Age III unless we had something to show. I'm trying to stick to that plan and won't be revealing much today."

and

"We are going to be as open as we can. We will continue to have a dialogue with you and answer what questions we can. Keep providing us with your feedback. I'm excited about what we are working on and I hope that you will be too."

are just jumping on the (as someone else mentioned) pandering train to the fans which are disappointed with their most recent works.

At the end of the day, once some actual gameplay videos (not cut scene's) start coming out, and more details of ACTUAL game content, anything from their devs, pr, etc is frankly, a waste of time.

Which is very sad, because I have enjoyed all of the Bioware stuff, DA2, ME3, and Old Republic included.
 

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Leonardo Chaves said:
First thing you assume much and do it wrong.
Second are you kidding me about facial expressions?
Third, ubersampling=state of the art tech, unmatched.
Well, I'm not gonna argue colors with a blind man. If you think W2 was state of the art, then good for you, because DA3 should be a boon for you no matter what.
 

Jared Cooper

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I think DA3 will, more than anything, show us more of BioWare's creative process. I'm replaying DA2 now, fine-tuning my file so I've made the choices (such as they are) the same way I did for DA:O, and I'm mostly curious in how the story carries over. Bioware's always saying, give us feedback, give us feedback, and there's a lot of feedback for DA2 so I want to see how they change based on that.

There are a lot of places they could drop the ball but there's also not a whole lot of things that will be important over the three-game arc. It might not even be a trilogy maybe? Anyway I liked DA2 well enough, it had some parts that were great improvements over DA:O problems, so I hope they take the meatier parts that made DA:O engaging but keep the shiny aesthetic improvements of DA2 as if it were the best DA:O patch evar.

But I'm an easy sell for DA, it doesn't have to be that great for me to be intrigued. If they can keep the hack and slash from DA2 while still making the combat tactical and actually feel challenging like Origins, I will be satisfied.
 

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Jared Cooper said:
There are a lot of places they could drop the ball but there's also not a whole lot of things that will be important over the three-game arc. It might not even be a trilogy maybe? Anyway I liked DA2 well enough, it had some parts that were great improvements over DA:O problems, so I hope they take the meatier parts that made DA:O engaging but keep the shiny aesthetic improvements of DA2 as if it were the best DA:O patch evar.
It's not a trilogy. That's one of the points Bioware likes to bring up regarding the Origins from the first game, and why they weren't in DA2 (and why they are seemingly reluctant to go back to them, despite fan feedback). Origins enabled the player to learn a great deal about Thedas via the six different origin stories. It was a good way to introduce the world. And since it is not a trilogy, Bioware has no problem with ditching Hawke as the protagonist for DA3 (Fox approves +10).
 

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I've put my trust in Bioware. With only the little hiccup with Mass Effect 3, they're a solid company. It looks like they're keeping the same writers/designers with a cool visual platform. I'm excited. I might even pre-order. That's happened only twice. Battlefield 3 and Mass Effect 3.
 

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Leonardo Chaves said:
Simple question, tell me one game with better inbuilt AA then ubersampling? that's all i'm asking...
I am one of those who don't like Ubersampling, as it washes out detail.
And even if Ubersampling wasn't just all blurry, what good is it when the trees in that game look like we're still in 2006?

As a reminder, this is what woods looked like back in 2007: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DaZhv50VIQ
And here is the Witcher 2 (2011): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPVunjCIJsI (try to look past the dramatic lighting)

As for facial (or even just body) animations:

Half Life 2 (2004): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwxKtkiZf38
The Witcher 2 (2011): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue1lKErM9W4

It's ridiculous!

Witcher 2 is probably the best-looking RPG so far, though prettified Skyrim is a tough contender, but foliage and animations are still not even 2007's state of the art.
 

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sweet merciful gods of games i hope they dont recycle the same dungeons with stone slabs in doorways and such like dragon age 2. Gods i couldnt stand it. So much potential. I used to think Bioware couldnt do wrong.Then DA2 happened and while i played it and even enjoyed it i wasnt as happy with it as i could have been. Then mass effect 3. where everything was glorious till the end....i mean what the hell? nevertheless. i really really really hope this is more in line with their history of awesome games instead of the zombified mess that bioware seems to be now a days from ea's mindflayer like tentacles stuck in their creativity

Captcha:braaaains!.....clever girl knew what i would post
 

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Leonardo Chaves said:
Well too bad for you regarding ubersampling, it's state of the art tech wether you like it or not.
Well, DirectX 11 is state of the art tech too, that doesn't mean every DX11 game looks better than every DX9 game. Just because CPR included a supersampling method into their engine doesn't make it state of the art.

Open world games tend to have lower detail due to map size
Crysis is pretty open world too. I'm not saying Witcher 1 should've looked like Crysis, but by 2013, I'd hope that Dragon Age 3 will at least try to come close.

The Witcher 2 can have unnatural exagerated body movement on cutscenes (maybe due to having to animate different versions, but i don't know), but i think they are ok on facial for the most part.
"Okay", that is a fitting word. But HL2 was better in 2-0-0-4. Once again, CPR cannot be expected to animate everything to that standard, I'm always baffled how these little devs can make AAA games like that anyway (like Piranha Bytes with Gothic).
But in 2013, a boy can dream that game studio behemoth Bioware will try to catch up with a then 9-year-old game.