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Well, I think I've almost completed this game. I'll post where I'm at for people who've completed it and are reading this in a retrospective sort of way.
I'm in the main city place and there's a dragon fucking shit up. Darkspawn falling like dominoes because my party is awesome. The random dude who said he was going land the final blow on the dragon died but Morrigan fucked Alistair so apparently it's all going to be cool.

So yeah, I should go on the record as saying I don't really like RPGs. Western ones in particular. I mean, they're all fair enough, and I do like the strategy in some turn based games, but the storytelling is always long winded, the characters and setting is always cliché and the combat is either daft or boring.

I think I'd be right in saying, that Bioware saw the characters and setting clihcés, thought "there's our target market" and plowed through it at full pelt. Fair enough, if that's what people expect. You can be either a human, who are painted as arrogant, slave-trading dicks, an elf, who are tall, big eared and are either downtrodden or at one with natureand all carry bows, or you can be a short, fat dwarf who like drinking ale and fighting. Then you can pick to be either a mage, rouge or warrior. As for the story... basically, some trouble brews and Duncan recruits you to the Grey Wardens to save the country from evil dudes. The shit hits the fan and it's up to you and your comrade Alistair to save the day. You can gain new party members if you like. Or you can kill them all if you want. It doesn't really effect anything, as long as you have a party of 4 at least. You probably need a mage and should probably teach them cure though.

The combat is both entirely normal and entirely weird. You right click what you want dead and bob's your firkin. But then, as you level up, you can pick and chose different abilities and set the characters to use them when certain parameters are met while you go off and watch Veronica Mars or something. I tried doing that exact thing and died so maybe not. But you know what it reminded me of? An MMO. I mean, you put on your gear, pick a weapon, right click the target then chose when to use special abilities. It's how any MMO I've played has worked. What does that mean? Is it good or bad? Neither really. It's pretty standard.

A lot has been drummed up about the length of this game, but... most of that is optional side quests that feel kind of silly. I mean, the whole of the story is based around this upcoming war and we must hurry because we don't know when it will start. Then you're expected to go out of your way to kill some random bandits or collect some items from dead stuff? I mean, that's not really a problem, it just felt a bit unnatural to me. I think my actually playtime of the game, from start to finish, has been in the region of 40 hours. I have a habit of rushing through these sorts of games, but I've played some that have gone on for 80+ hours in what was a fast play through.

So then, what of the game as a whole? It's a very strange experience. I mean, if you were to take a battle out of context, it wouldn't feel like a fun game. But if you have a long sit down to play it, you won't be able to stop. The game is strung along by a sense of urgency that makes you want to "just do the next section". Either way, I certainly enjoyed it. Should you buy it? I would say if you have enough time to give the game a proper thrashing, I would definately pick it up. If not, you'll find it very hard to have enough time to play that while also working, eating, having friends etc.

Hmm. Not one of my best reviews. Not really planned it out, it just fell out of my mouth. Fair enough, I never plan out any of these but meh. Constructive feedback, comments on the game and disagreements on my points are welcome.

OH SHIT WAIT.
PS: Sex. After the whole controversy with Mass Effect and it's second of arse, Dragon Age went out of its way to make it possible for your character to get loved up at every turn, even to the point where there is a brothel. Actually, it's integral to the plot. Without giving too much away, you can, as they say, bang (or force a male character) to bang another character which will wildly influence the ending and how easy you find the last level. But I've heard no controversy over this one... maybe because Dragon Age is an 18 and Mass Effect was an 18, but weren't they both rated M in America? Who knows.
 

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Was that a review? Oh shit ... it was!!!1oneoneoneone.

Humans? Slave traders? OMFG, lololololol ... damn those Couslands!!!11oneoneoneone
Elfs? Talls and natural archers!!11oneoneoneoneone
Dwarves getting drunk as usual!!11oneoneone

OK, STOP!!!!

Did you actually play the same game as I did?

The game world is far from being cliche, instead it borrows heavily from various historical event, from Andraste being a Joan-of-Arc on the other side, that of Ferelden which really is England and Orlais (France) after a 100-year war scenario (although they decided that going for 100 year would have given up their attempt at originality, which it is though, no more fancy fancy land with everyone being so descended from Tolkien's design), from the Chantry really being really really crazy Christians zealots from the Crusade era and templars being templars (guess no one bothered to give them a proper new badass name, like BADASS TEMPLAR!!!). Oh yeah, Magic, Demons and Orcs (I mean, Darkspawn) are thrown in for good measure.

Really, humans are the majority that vanquished the rather arrogant and heathens that are those filthy elves. Sure there are BAD humans like the majority of them and decent folks, like Arl Eamon (may the maker bless his soul). There are bad elves (Like Zevhran, he is bad but cool, but bad). There are good elves, like, .... like .... like ... my character!!!! There are bad dwarves ... like that ***** who took lots of gold coin for information and good dwarves like that fine lady that traded information for coins.

But point remain, the three races are very unique and fresh from the same material we have enjoyed from previous fantasy games and books. The Cousland were a honorable lineage who fought for ferelden freedom, sure they do own Elven servants, but hey, a lot of those bastards who owned black slaves or 'assistants' in the good old days were somewhat patriotic and even contributed to science, society in different ways. The Cousland are no different

The dwarves do spend much time getting drunk and looking for threesome (mine sure did), but they also have to worry about brothers, cousins looking for opportunities to backstab you, or neighbours abuse you because of the status you have in society.

The elves are my favorite because they are downtrodden and rebellious. Unlike say, Tolkien's little pretty boys and girls who always, always must be at the top of the food chain. Ignore the fact that they are a minority that would be ruled by a very barbaric majority. [Ethnic Cleansing of Elven Village #245 at 13:00 pm tomorrow, bring a friend].

The storyline is well, typical RPG, save the world from a great evil. But, what save it from the others is how the expansive it can be. A certain old god could potentially be revived that might shatter a lot of those crazy chantry maggots' dream of world domination. An evil that you might have unintentionally given free reign over the soul of a certain young magician. Etc .. nuff with the story and background.


Let's talk, sword and fireball.

Seriously, MMO? Woot? I never felt at any moment I was grinding. Every battle was a challenge, every battle was fun. The mix of tactical turn base RPG that JRPGs have like FF:Tactics felt very much alive here. Rapidly pressing the spacebar key to pause the game and make sure I was taking the right action to freeze a group of enemies while getting my rogue behind the target and the warrior in a position to attract the attention of those enemies trying to get my frail little mage. The gameplay is so much better than any D&D game I have played, and consequently, any other TRPGs i have played as well.

It's not a LOOT game sure, but some of the epic items are worth going for. You know, a certain dragon is so willing to part with this precious scale for you to build an epic armor, or a meteorite to be found that will give you the ore for an epic weapon.

DA:O is a fantastic game. yeah, it borrows and distort some of Tolkien's design, but it's not a game that's so cliche that it should be treated like well ... [insert crappy RPG here]. Samus may hit a nail on the head with his article depicting the similarities between the characters from previous BioWare game. But after listening to Alistair and Wynne, grandma, and grandchild banters ... I wonder ... can I join the fun too, grandma Wynne? :(
 

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cainx10a said:
No. No, no, no. You missed the point with just about everything I said. Probably my fault. The bit where I talked about cliché was to do with why I don't play WRPGs in general. That wasn't about Dragon Age, more my disinterest in the genre. I get that they've stolen bits from history, bits from traditional fantasy style things and such. I get that elves are different from in LotR and not all humans are bastards, but it's like... the game opens by saying "these guys are dicks, these guys are bullied, these guys are drunk" and then it tries to open your characters eyes and make you not hate humans. Started as a city elf so maybe that was just for that starting mission. Gang rape, and all that.

Maybe the finer details have freshened up the genre but, to be honest, I don't care. I mean, like I've said, I'm not into the genre. So taking it from an outsiders view, the big points were exactly what I expected.
Universally loved king dies in battle, main characters misunderstood, unambiguously evil guy takes over, clear struggle of good vs. evil where good triumphs even when it's up against it, dragons appear etc.
I mean, that stuff is textbook. The circle are based on old style Christian fundies, for sure, but that doesn't make the story any more original, it'st just taking pointers from somewhere else.

cainx10a said:
Seriously, MMO? Woot? I never felt at any moment I was grinding. Every battle was a challenge, every battle was fun. The mix of tactical turn base RPG that JRPGs have like FF:Tactics felt very much alive here. Rapidly pressing the spacebar key to pause the game and make sure I was taking the right action to freeze a group of enemies while getting my rogue behind the target and the warrior in a position to attract the attention of those enemies trying to get my frail little mage. The gameplay is so much better than any D&D game I have played, and consequently, any other TRPGs i have played as well.
Again. My point maybe wasn't clearly explained. Actually, I did say this one relatively clearly, but ok. The combat is MMOish. First of all, every battle is exactly the same. Loads of stuff runs at you, you go through the motions and kill everything. That reminded me of how MMOs are played. I was a Red Mage on FFXI. I did the same thing each party I was in and it reminded me of that... only less fun. I set Alistair to use hate things, paused and switched to mage to cure when needed, set all to attack and relax. I haven't really found anything that difficult by doing that. I mean, even if 3 of them died, I could usually win fights with just Morrigan. But whatever, difference of opinion.

I'll sum up to counter your summary. From a non-fanatic, it's a good game and a good introduction to the genre. While some of the design and story are a tad cliché, that doesn't really take away from the game. The combat is fairly standard but has some major difference which make it slightly more interesting, but on the face of it, it's pretty much the ultimate standard WRPG. And I killed Wynne without even pausing for breath. Morrigan is the only mage worth having. Oh, and the first few things you said weren't needed. Belittling me like that pointless and disrespectful. Last time someone did that to me on here I blew up at them but you made some points so I let it go. But don't be a dick.
 

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Universally loved king dies in battle, main characters misunderstood, unambiguously evil guy takes over, clear struggle of good vs. evil where good triumphs even when it's up against it, dragons appear etc.
King Kailan (sp?) is not exactly universally loved. He is childish. His father was a great hero, a fine leader, but without Loghain help, he [King Maric] wouldn't have accomplished much against the Orlesian occupiers. Kailan is only king in name, as you find out, the country is lead by none other than his wife, and daughter of Loghain.


Loghain, based on back stories ain't a bad guy, he is paranoid, and for the right reasons. Kailan seems to be rushing with mending the wound with the Orlesians who could pretty backstab the Fereldens when they are done withpushing back the Darkspawn horde. Not only that, Loghain is not just a hero for simply being Maric's best friend, he also is a people's person.

It's not a clear battle of good vs evil, if you put the Darkspawn out of picture (which you do for like what 80% of the game). This is why BioWare specifically excel at WRPGs.

If a truly good character was playing the game, the ending will eventually end with the PC dying since he wouldn't force his/her best friend/lover to have to impregnate a witch who only want a baby who might spell doom for the rest of Ferelden etc ... And considering you can be evil yourself, so it might as well be a battle of Evil vs a greater evil. :p



I'll sum up to counter your summary. From a non-fanatic, it's a good game and a good introduction to the genre. While some of the design and story are a tad cliché, that doesn't really take away from the game. The combat is fairly standard but has some major difference which make it slightly more interesting, but on the face of it, it's pretty much the ultimate standard WRPG. And I killed Wynne without even pausing for breath. Morrigan is the only mage worth having. Oh, and the first few things you said weren't needed. Belittling me like that pointless and disrespectful. Last time someone did that to me on here I blew up at them but you made some points so I let it go. But don't be a dick.
Fair enough, but I wasn't belittling you as your review was more like a rant, at least that's the impression I got and as a person who enjoyed the game way more than say Fallout 3 and Oblivion combined (two big WRPGs that everyone seem to love for obvious reasons), I just couldn't let you get away with this. I still <3 you though.

PS. yes, I am a BIG BioWare fanboy. Fanboys are NOT dicks. We are humans just like you, except we are superior, because out of love for our gods, we are blessed with knowledge that proves that we are always right and you heathens are wrong and must be purged. As the maker once said, people who don't understand us will commit sins that will cause the blight to come again, and again and again and again ... and again.

I don't usually type as much in my other posts. sigh :(
 

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cainx10a said:
If a truly good character was playing the game, the ending will eventually end with the PC dying since he wouldn't force his/her best friend/lover to have to impregnate a witch who only want a baby who might spell doom for the rest of Ferelden etc ... And considering you can be evil yourself, so it might as well be a battle of Evil vs a greater evil. :p
Pfft. Morrigan was the best character. I also had to make Alistair bone her else she wwould leave and she was my only mage. I killed everyone because they pissed me off. I kept her, Alistair because I liked his dry humour and sarcasm and the dwarf because he kind of invited himself. Before him I had Zevran but I killed him eventually. My apporval rating with Morrigan was ridiculous though and I'm not sure why. +50 or something. We were just like two peas in a pod I guess. I did try to not make the sex happen because she said she would leave and that sounded bad considering.

cainx10a said:
Fair enough, but I wasn't belittling you as your review was more like a rant, at least that's the impression I got and as a person who enjoyed the game way more than say Fallout 3 and Oblivion combined (two big WRPGs that everyone seem to love for obvious reasons), I just couldn't let you get away with this. I still <3 you though.

PS. yes, I am a BIG BioWare fanboy. Fanboys are NOT dicks. We are humans just like you, except we are superior, because out of love for our gods, we are blessed with knowledge that proves that we are always right and you heathens are wrong and must be purged. As the maker once said, people who don't understand us will commit sins that will cause the blight to come again, and again and again and again ... and again.

I don't usually type as much in my other posts. sigh :(
Oh, it wasn't a rant. I couldn't really be bothered to put some bullet points to talk about which I usually do as little reminders while I'm writing so a lot of it wasn't very clear. I liked the game though. I'd go as far as to say it's my favourite WRPG ever... yes out of all 3 of the ones I've played. Much better than Oblivion. This is coming from someone who used to play an MMORPG, go with their linkshell (like a guild) to do missions, skip through all the text of the cutscenes and stop suddenly when there were pretty lights. 2 hours laters, I would ask what the hell was going on. It's what I would do if I was in the game. Daydream.

Also, was that a direct quote? If it was, know that I was an elf and I killed the dude that tried to gang rape my mates. Like I said, I killed everyone. I killed him, the mages, the important woman in Redcliffe, Wynne, Zevran, the woman paragon person, the dwarf prince, the dudes with the dragon, the slave trader, the fake king guy and tried to kill Flemeth but failed. Actually, I think the only person I let live was the blood mage. Lolz.

Also, also, once you type this much in a post, you never go back. MY first post here was a feminist rant and I've never looked back. This thread is like the biggest TL;DR ever.
 

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Didn't read even half of what you typed.

But it's a great game, so....well...screw you.
 

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Hmm well since you admitted that you didn't write this review seriously and professionally I guess I can't really criticize you for that. Then again for writing reviews you really should take it more seriously so that your readers take you seriously as well. If you don't feel like being serious at that moment, then forget it and hold off your review until you really feel like writing it well. Talking all to casual and like you don't care won't get your review much attention

Speaking of well, you have many grammar and spelling errors, please try to fix those.

Well overall I don't know what to say, this review definitely isn't great, and not bad, but could have been better obviously.
 

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SantoUno said:
Phoenix Arrow said:
Hmm well since you admitted that you didn't write this review seriously and professionally I guess I can't really criticize you for that. Then again for writing reviews you really should take it more seriously so that your readers take you seriously as well. If you don't feel like being serious at that moment, then forget it and hold off your review until you really feel like writing it well. Talking all to casual and like you don't care won't get your review much attention

Speaking of well, you have many grammar and spelling errors, please try to fix those.

Well overall I don't know what to say, this review definitely isn't great, and not bad, but could have been better obviously.
Meh. It wasn't a review I planned on doing like some of my older ones, I was just bored and had just got to the end so I thought I'd post some thoughts. My grammar isn't amazing but I tend to type how I would say things in real life unless I'm doing something life or death. Spelling errors can be attributed to me writing it at 1am.

As for overall quality, I used to do reviews AAAAGES ago and now I'm out of practice. Considering that and the way I approached it, it certainly isn't bad if I say so myself. But taking it in its own rights, it's probably my worst review. But yes, I agree with what you're saying and thanks for the feedback.
 

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Not exactly a good review, for example you don't tell us who Duncan is and Elves are in fact shorter than humans, so you've made a mistake on something as simple as what you see. Furthermore the setting isn't as cliché as you make it out to be, the Chantry alone shows that.