Dragon Ball GT

[Sean Hollyman]

So the general consensus is that Dragon Ball GT was fooking awful.
I watched it, and I didn't think it was as bad as I thought it'd be, but it was still nowhere as near as good as DB or Z.

I liked how they brought the more adventure that was in the original series, while still keeping with the fighting and powering up of Z, but most of the villains were still really stupid.
The only bit of GT I really liked was the whole Shadow Dragon saga. That was pretty awesome.


I didn't like the music, it sounded pretty much the same all the way through.

And...

WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO CELL'S FACE!?


Anyway, share opinions on GT...

 

[FalloutJack]

The reason it's bad beyond normal viewer opinions is that it's an attempted continuation of the story when the CREATORS didn't want it to. Given the nature of DBZ, that's pretty bad.

 

[CODE-D]

No i liked it when it came out but I wouldnt watch the start just skip to the baby saga.
Akira Toriyama oversaw things and approved of much of it so it had the creators blessing.
I think most people dont like how it was animated(why is everyones body so shiny?) though and how most of it was drawn/colored, the pallet just seemed different.

Also dbz popularity was falling at that time anyway, I mean the buu saga wasnt that great either. I mean I like the buu saga but things got ridiculous.

Baby was the first villain I found as scary and as a threat

Plus the shadow dragons addressed how abused the wishes were

and the ending with goku flying off, perfect.

 

[EquestrianGeneral]

For me, that was the point when the Dragonball series went into full-blown "Throw Our Biggest Attack At Each Other Until One Person Dies" mode. It was no longer about the actual physical fighting, so much as it was about throwing the biggest energy blast at each other. At least, that's what it felt like for most of it.

There were some upsides, though. I thought the actual ending was fine, and the animation was still pretty great. Some of the villains were pretty good... And that's all I've got.

 

[Rickolas Walrus]

I didn't think it was that bad either, not as good as DBZ but in no way terrible. My only gripe with it was most of the villains weren't that great (personality wise or design wise) and I didn't really like the design of Super Saiyan 4...honestly I don't think there should have been multiple levels of Super Saiyan to begin with and can argue that there weren't supposed to be either

And actually that's my main complaint about the Buu saga as well. Everything came down to "Oh wait, I have a new Super Saiyan that you didn't know about *powers up* Ok Imma win now". Introducing new attacks? Perfectly alright, people improve with practice and put their own spin on things, so it's natural that people would come up with new techniques/attacks. Fusion? Alright, it's a stretch but almost everyone worth a damn is an alien, so why would they not be able to fuse? Besides those earrings were magic, you don't try to explain magic with logic right? And I mean the concept was pretty balanced to me, you got an unimaginably powerful warrior but only for 30 minutes. Or using the earrings gave you incredible power at the cost of two people, they were permanently fused and you'd never get them back (but of course that was worked around in what I call "don't sacrifice the most popular characters because nobody will appreciate what that meant")

Wow, didn't mean to make this all about DBZ instead, but I stand by what I said: I didn't like SS4 that much and most of the enemies weren't that great, but other than that it was still pretty good in my book

 

[Hazy992]

I think the main problem with GT is that they didn't seem to know what direction they wanted to take it. They turn Goku into a kid and get him to search the universe for the Dragon Balls, trying to make it more like the original, but then they just seem to go 'ah fuck it' halfway through and try and make it more like Z again so it just feels slapdash and rushed.

 

[=y]

For me the series ended with Cell. The androids were cool enough to keep me interested as a kid but when Buu entered the picture I ended up watching Yu-gi-oh instead.

Fighting Frieza's forces on Namek was the best although nothing will really compare with the confrontation with Vegeta on Earth...

I have no interest in GT at all.

 

[Blade1130]

The first season was complete bullcrap. You can see how they try to make it into DragonBall all over again, going so far as to make Goku a kid again. Problem is, Trunks is simply not interesting at all, and Pan does not substitute for Bulma. It's just plain creepy if you try to throw in all the sexual innuendos Goku had with Bulma and replace her with Pan. Fortunately, they didn't try that.

After the first season though, Baby was a fairly threatening bad guy, and I think he worked pretty well. Though the whole, "Let's get Mr. Satan to convince people the planet will blow up and they'll all follow us to this alien one!" was ridiculous. Super 17 was cool, but all the other bad guys that came back were completely worthless and killed again in two hits. Even the Frieza & Cell vs Goku was over in two minutes.

I will say the Shadow Dragon saga was pretty badass, it was one fight after another with no break, particularly the fire and ice dragons which gave no respite. Making it feel very tough and pushing Goku to the very limit, though I was disappointed no one else really did anything. I do hate the fact that Vegeta went SS4 by using performance enhancing drugs (you know that's what "bloodswaves" are) and then fused and kicked his ass. The ending went well though, and I did like how at the end they were reduced to fighting the Dragon Balls themselves, the very things that had saved them all so many times previously.

 

[The Funslinger]

No i liked it when it came out but I wouldnt watch the start just skip to the baby saga.
Akira Toriyama oversaw things and approved of much of it so it had the creators blessing.
I think most people dont like how it was animated(why is everyones body so shiny?) though and how most of it was drawn/colored, the pallet just seemed different.

Also dbz popularity was falling at that time anyway, I mean the buu saga wasnt that great either. I mean I like the buu saga but things got ridiculous.

Baby was the first villain I found as scary and as a threat

Plus the shadow dragons addressed how abused the wishes were

and the ending with goku flying off, perfect.

This, though the pre-baby space episodes I did like in a "so bad it's good" way.

I appreciated it for what it was, and I liked the end villains, Baby, Super 17 and the Shadow Dragons.

The ending was one of the best anime endings of all time. Dat nostalgia. I then proceeded to watch A Hero's Legacy, which was kind of cool seeing things taken back to small time roots with Goku jr.

 

[Some_weirdGuy]

GT had alot of little things that really ruined it, one of the biggest of which was that the 'dbz formula' (if you will) was just getting stale. buu saga was pushing it to the brink and unfortunately GT just kept on steaming right on over the cliff into an messy trainwreck at the bottom.

They'd done so much already by that point that alot of it just felt plain unoriginal or generic. It had a few good ideas that were marred by bad execution, and then a bunch of crappy ideas that were then also thrown into the mix.

turning goku back into a kid again felt like a cheap attempt to lick at some dragonball nostalgia, but it just didn't work.

Spoiler: not actually a spoiler but i want to sections tuff off so it's a smaller message

I don't know, maybe if he lost his memory and literally became his kid self again it might have worked, probably no,t but what i do know is what they tried didn't work. He was an adult in a child-like body. I believe that's what you'd define as a midget.

((making him a kid again they actually had the perfect chance to weaken goku back down, make it so bad guys could be a real threat without being unreasonably powerful. Instead he's apparently even stronger than in Z. (and you know that buu dude who was the strongest thing in the universe, like of all time? lol well guess what here's a bunch of dudes that are even stronger again... suspension of disbelief can only be pushed so far, and it was stretched to the very max with buu, now it's just ridiculous.))

Super Saiyan 4 was inconsistent with every other super saiyan form, and looked pretty stupid really. (A red furred monkey man with emo-ified hair and silly eye makeup?... .... say wuuuuut?)


also, everyone sucked except goku, it just became too goku centric. They were all utterly useless and even their personalities were bland or just plain annoying. What happened to gohan being like the strongest fighter ever? uub was meant to be goku's successor, but all he did was get eaten by bebei... goten and trunks were super saiyans at like 5 years old or whatever, what happened?

 

[Hiroshi Mishima]

The first time I saw Dragon Ball was a shortlived attempt at dubbing it that stopped right after they stopped Emperor Pilaf the first time. Musta been in.. oh, I dunno, what year was 7th grade again? 1993 maybe? Then it went away and I didn't see it again until I happened upon a Japanese channel (remember when we had these for some reason?) and they were showing what LOOKED like a scene from Dragon Ball. Except I didn't know anyone in it besides Yamcha (with his long hair) and what looked like Kid Goku but with a lot more hair.

Turned out it was the part of the Seiyan Saga where they met Nappa and Vegita. Not long after, maybe a couple months, DBZ in the US got officially announced and I was all over that. Lost interest around the Cell Saga (cause I didn't have the money for the videos and cable TV wasn't something I had at the time).

Then I heard about Dragon Ball GT via Final Bout for the PSX. I enjoyed the game, but didn't know who the hell anyone was. I was confused about there being two Goku's (one kid, and the other adult), among other things.

Anyways, many years later when we actually got GT in the US as a series, I was instantly turned off by the gods-awful rap opening. Then the fact they skipped an entire season and went straight into some storyline I couldn't follow. When I tracked down the first season via the then fairly new Kazaa program, I actually enjoyed it cause it was either in Japanese or fan-dubbed (which did a LOT better, nice opening too).

I liked it cause it felt like they were going to recapture the spirit of adventure that Dragon Ball had before DBZ. But it didn't last, and when I saw some later GT episodes with the Dark Dragons, all I could ask myself was "wtf did they do to this series?"

Then of course, I found out Akira Toriyama had little to nothing to do with it, and I felt a bit better. By the way, even though he was slightly involved, he never really acknowledged it in any official way, and the Dragon Ball Online game that's been in the works for a few years completely back up to the end of DBZ and retcons GT out of existence. Oh, and he's been deeply involved with the storyline for that, so we could assume that's how he feels about it.

 

[piinyouri]

They tried to re-capture the light hearted comedy of Dragonball and just wasn't going to happen.
After going the extreme scale and super srsns that Z did, you can't just change tone that hard and that quick.
The writing was also shit beyond comparison.

 

[Scarim Coral]

The only things that I liked about GT was the openning song (sure it was cheesy and upbeat but I still liked it) and the end when Goku leave forever (it was a nice tribute when the narrative talked about him and they made a statue of him in the future).

 

[Shinsei-J]

It wouldn't hold up if it were its own thing but I can still watch and like most of it as a part of Dragon Ball.
The baby saga is absolute crap, though the Shadow Dragon saga was quite good
but I think everything after cell was just never up to standard.

I'm still in love with the World Tournament saga from the original.

 

[Broady Brio]

Here is what I liked about GT.
The Japanese intro.
The Shadow Dragons.

Here is what I didn't like.
Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta. (If only he acted like the OTHER Gogeta. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlVtQDVrNns])
Just the form of Super Saiyan 4. I thought 3 looked stupid enough.
Vegeta's, Gohan's and Goten's hair. A sayian's hair never changes dammit!

 

[Sean Hollyman]

The Japanese intro was nice

 

[VoidWanderer]

Never watched GT, have been meaning to get around to it, as soon as I can be bothered watching the Buu saga.

Though, if there was a Chrono Trigger anime movie, I'd watch that in a heartbeat.

 

[RJ 17]

This is all that needs to be "said" about DB GT


You've seen it, you can't un-see it. THIS is why DB GT fucking blows. Everything about it fucking blows. Villains are far inferior to DBZ, the fights are fucking retarded (even the Shadow Dragons), and basically if you were actually able to watch the series beyond the fight displayed above, then do the world a favor and go away and die. Because you're a horrible person who doesn't deserve to have joy in their life.

Seriously though, DBGT is lame. Like, obscenely lame. Like, there should have been a class action Cease and Desist lawsuit against the writers because the show was brain-hurtingly lame, lame. It's an absolute bastardization of the entire series. "Well Goku has officially become the biggest piece of Deus ex Machina since Superman......I know! Let's make him a kid again and send up on a bunhc of assinine, childish adventures against a bunch of assinine, childish villains!

They tried to recapture the magic of DB, but there's a problem with that. As Piccolo says in one of the TFS DBZ Abridged episodes: "NOBODY WATCHED DRAGON BALL!"

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I enjoyed it for the most part. True it was nowhere near as good as it's 2 predecessors and much of it had plot holes that you could drive one of those ships from Waehammer 40k through, esp. the initial bit with the Black Star Dragon Balls. Also I HATED, and still hate, the Super Saiyan 4 form. It just doesn't look right, plus it introduces several more plot holes. However, despite all that I still enjoyed the series. Plus:

The Japanese intro was nice

I absolutely adore that song.

 

[Palademon]

The name...it's so familiar...but I don't remember it...but when I hear it, it drums up sudden feellings of anger...

Seriously though, I can't actually remember much of it. I think I just found it boring in comparison to DBZ, which is shocking considering I thought my attention span was shit, and yet there's tons of episodes where action isn't happening.

Edit: In slightly related news, I am saddened that on my Season One of DBZ on DVD the english theme is just the images from the japanese theme with a boring orchestral song playing. It seems to take forever.
I have to watch in japanese if I want Head Cha La...
It makes the opening go by much faster and makes every new episode fun