Is the escapist also gonna apologize for using this image of an "oddly proportioned" woman in all the thumbnails and the facebook post? It's clearly only there to get the site more views. You can't be hypocritical when it comes to arguing about shit like this. Everyone loves a pair of big ol' titties, chill the hell out.
I'm amazed nobody has posted this, yay, means I can be of use in a thread. This is an interesting post from someone somewhere and it makes good sense to me (slight NSFW in the form of Ancient Statues)):
Sooo...yeah, that's my thought, apologizing for it was kind of silly.
Not because it is distasteful (go far enough off the deep end and everything stops being offensive) but because it just is bad.
It only vaguely looks human, it reminds me of bad image comics done in a vaguely anime style. I don't care how large the boobs are, I care more that the proporitions just makes everything look creepy.
You buy this game, you sit down to play it, after looking over the choices you choose the which 'cos you like the play style and casting magic, off you go on you're merry adventure.
Your mum/dad/sister/brother/friend walk in and see this stick figure with 2 watermelons bouncing around like water balloons held by a broken law of physics ... what are they going to be thinking? "Wow, the art in this game is really pretty and the characters are so well designed"? Or are they going to think "you dirty perv, I knew this gaming stuff was for immature people"?
Then getting onto the guys, they would snap in half at the waist! There lumbering upper bodies couldn't be supported with scaffolding.
The art in this game just looks so immature, outrageously muscled men (which isn't sexualisation, that would be a guy wearing tight jeans with a 2 footer down his left leg) and disproportional women ... talk about giving women image disorders.
how many of you "this games art is ok" would be ok playing as that guy? lets say he is wearing cow boy boots, a cow boy hat, no shirt and tight pants so you could clearly make out his junk and ass.
Now how many of you are going to say "I would play as that guy" when you wouldn't?
To get away from the sexy talk, is he apologizing for just the sweaty dwarves or is he apologizing for his size -3 witch have Z boobs?
Just a point on the archer
(Everyone seems to agree she's really quite good for a female character)
I agree, she does look pretty awesome, and certainly more empowering for me than the other lot.
But can I point out the picture in which she's firing her arrow- she's been positioned for male gaze despite her "less-sexualised" design.
e.g. her torso, on the thin side, can only be doing an 180 degree turn for her arms to be positioned where they are and her bust to be facing forwards, yet where would then naturally be her front, her waist warps into her butt. Hm.
Try and imagine a man in this pose. Seem ridiculous yet? http://thehawkeyeinitiative.com/
- Anyone else disturbed by the Sorceress holding a staff between her buttocks and pushing a skeletons face into her cleavage?
I don't know, I feel that the style in Odin Sphere was unique in itself that it stood out in a good way. I don't see the need for him to rely so heavily on sex appeal when he proved himself capable of making a beautiful and stylized game already? I loved Odin Sphere and I respect his choices in art, but that does not mean I will be buying it.
I think he should of apologized.
Not because it is distasteful (go far enough off the deep end and everything stops being offensive) but because it just is bad.
he needs to apologize because you dont like his art? because it doesnt look human? why is it relevant, how "human" a fantasy character looks? in particular when hardly any of them are actually human?
your avatar doesn't look human, but it doesnt offend me, and i dont expect whoever drew it to apologize to me.
Okay, seriously, it's not my sort of style but honestly, who cares? It's human nature to enjoy sexualised stuff and enjoying a picture of a stick figure with a couple of melons attached doesn't automatically mean one expects all real women to look the same, each to their own. Personally I think it looks silly but I'm not going to begrudge anyone-else it if it's what they like.
OT: I don't care particularly about him apologising or whether he did indeed apologise correctly. He is perfectly within his right to produce obscene caricatures, he only needs to apologise if his distasteful response to the Kotaku reporter was intently homophobic. Otherwise he dealt the man childish insult for childish insult and it's worth nobodies time.
This is not the issue here. The issue isn't this one game with ridiculous depictions of men and women, it's that these depictions are pervasive throughout gaming. It's just that this game works as a fantastic example of how tired and vulgar the medium has become. Feminists do not want an elimination of all games demeaning men or women, but simply for this NOT to be the norm for games.
Is it pervasive in all games? I do believe Anita Sarkeesian is checking.
Nope, he has nothing to apologise for to the best of my knowledge*. I didn't see and don't know the details of the alleged homophobia, but I'm willing to give a guy using google bloody translate the benefit of the doubt.
And if so, is Kamitani's, with its unmissable "I'm sorry you didn't get it" deflection, sufficient?
I would have preferred for him to have tendered the pitchfork wielding mob a succinct "fuck off", but I'm aware that for all the obvious reasons that wouldn't have been an option conducive to continued employment. I am at least satisfied that "bite me" was the true spirit of his justly false contrition.
So sick of hearing about this, the Kotaku guy is a idiot, he claims he's not asking for censorship but wants the guy to consider others when making the designs. That's bloody censorship in it's most basic form and problem is you'll offend someone no matter what you do so it's just a waste of time.
The sorceress would be a bit silly if EVERY character didn't have something exaggerated about them, giant shoulders, fists, heads, beards, chests,breasts, legs. And it's not like the game is freakin' sexist the amazon is larger than the other characters and probably kicks twice as much ass given her size. And oh no she has very little clothing! ...Except so does the dwarf. It's no more shocking than a Boris Valeho painting.
Why should he apologize for his personal style? I kinda like it, to be honest. The guys look like Johnny Bravo and the chicks look like Chun Li. And one has comically oversized titties.
In fact, I think they'd all fit rather well on some old metal album covers. Like Manowar...
I saw that Sorceress and just kind of shook my head, but now that I've seen the other characters and how stylized they are, I'm actually ready to defend this design. I haven't read any of the surrounding controversy and I'm not going to comment on that, but if people have that much of a problem with a clearly stylized and exaggerated art style, it's their problem, not the creator's.
I think this is an obvious case of translation issues... I do not think he knows what a caricature is, because that is what he drew....... These are obviously caricatures of people.... Unless a head is supposed to be 1/8th the size of a forearm....
It's a sad day for gaming when George Kamitani has to explain what is rather obvious, and sadder still he has to apologise because some people are too sensitive, immature and hypocritical when it comes to big breasts in videogames.
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