Dreamworks vs Pixar!

[Vigormortis]

there has beena lot of loving mentions of The Incredibles and Ratatouille in this thread

both were directed by Brad Bird (as was The Iron Giant as i'm sure many of you know)

with that in mind, and although it is OT i thought i'd drop this in the thread...just because i don't think many people know about it...

this is Brads newest film and it will be out this year.

he basically has pretty much never made a bad one...

Spoiler

I knew about Tomorrowland. And I'm absolutely psyched for it.

I am an unashamed fanboy of Brad Bird. I love his entire filmography. From The Iron Giant to Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol. Even his The Simpsons episodes were great.

However, as much as I'm looking forward to Tomorrowland, what I'm really curious about is the status of his other project, 1906.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1906_2013/

 

[Hawki]

I can't say the notion of Cars being based on Doc Hollywood surprises me. That said, the entire premise is pretty much a cliche - arrogant sod gets brought down a peg, learns the value of work, honesty, comes out a better person for it. It's a basic moral tale. That being said, I do actually like Cars. If anything, the Incredibles always bugged me more with its similarities to the Fantastic 4, and this is from someone who pays little heed to the superhero genre.

As for Tomorrowland, trailer had me hooked. One of the most effective teaser trailers I've seen in awhile.

 

[Casual Shinji]

there has beena lot of loving mentions of The Incredibles and Ratatouille in this thread

both were directed by Brad Bird (as was The Iron Giant as i'm sure many of you know)

with that in mind, and although it is OT i thought i'd drop this in the thread...just because i don't think many people know about it...

this is Brads newest film and it will be out this year.

he basically has pretty much never made a bad one...

I would like to see him return to animation though. He seems to be taking to live-action pretty well, but he has a unique voice in the world of animation and I wouldn't want to see that get lost. I know he's going to start working on The Incredibles 2 soon enough, though that fills me with a bit of anxiety.

 

[Plinglebob]

If you'd asked me 10 years ago, I'd have automatically said Pixar. Now, looking back on it and looking at their current output, I'd have to say Dreamworks is the stronger studio. Their greater output compared to Pixar means they're going to have a great number of mediocre/rubbish movies, but thinking on it there are only 2 Pixar films I like from beginning to end (Incredibles and Monsters Inc) where as there are 7 for Dreamworks.

I think the problem with Pixar (and why they are rated highly) is because their films have fantastic individual scenes that everyone remembers (Up, Wall-e) while forgetting that the film they're in wasn't as good.

 

[Ambient_Malice]

Unfortunately, Dreamworks haven't made a masterpiece like Puss in Boots since... Puss in Boots. How to Train Your Dragon 2 suffered from "hyped up animated film where characters talk too much while moving" syndrome. It was almost as bad as Lego Movie.

 

[Ieyke]

Pixar's gone a bit downhill in recent years.
But that's to be expected, I guess, since they were LITERALLY at the absolute top.
The only studio that comes anywhere close to Pixar's track record is Marvel Studios.

So yea, Pixar's gone a bit downhill, and Disney Animation Studios has risen to almost Pixar's levels......and now they're BOTH better than Dreamworks.

Dreamworks just ISN'T that good.

They do some good stuff, but it's rarely great, and almost never rise to Pixar's level....unless you're comparing it to literally the worst of Pixar's stuff - like Cars 2 or Planes or whatever.

Rise Of The Guardians and the 2x How To Train Your Dragon movies are Dreamworks' absolute best.
The How To Train Your Dragon movies are the only ones I'd say compare to Pixar.

 

[Ieyke]

Unfortunately, Dreamworks haven't made a masterpiece like Puss in Boots since... Puss in Boots. How to Train Your Dragon 2 suffered from "hyped up animated film where characters talk too much while moving" syndrome. It was almost as bad as Lego Movie.

The Lego Movie wasn't great (just decent) and it's RIDICULOUSLY overrated, but How To Train Your Dragon 2 was REALLY good.
Not quite as good as the original, but not far off.

 

[Ieyke]

the Incredibles is...a superhero story

The Incredibles is the Fantastic Four.

 

[Hawki]

Pixar's gone a bit downhill in recent years.
But that's to be expected, I guess, since they were LITERALLY at the absolute top.
The only studio that comes anywhere close to Pixar's track record is Marvel Studios.

So yea, Pixar's gone a bit downhill, and Disney Animation Studios has risen to almost Pixar's levels......and now they're BOTH better than Dreamworks.

Dreamworks just ISN'T that good.

They do some good stuff, but it's rarely great, and almost never rise to Pixar's level....unless you're comparing it to literally the worst of Pixar's stuff - like Cars 2 or Planes or whatever.

Rise Of The Guardians and the 2x How To Train Your Dragon movies are Dreamworks' absolute best.
The How To Train Your Dragon movies are the only ones I'd say compare to Pixar.

The track record of Marvel Studios has basically been one popcorn flick after another with no substance to them - comparisons here are moot. Shark Tale is probably the only Dreamworks film I've seen that falls into their realm (and Iron Man the only MCU film that managed to be something more than popcorn).

Planes wasn't created by Pixar, it was created by Disney in order to cash in on the Cars franchise.

As for Dreamworks's absolute best, I'd also rate that as How to Train Your Dragon. Haven't seen the sequel though.

 

[Ambient_Malice]

Unfortunately, Dreamworks haven't made a masterpiece like Puss in Boots since... Puss in Boots. How to Train Your Dragon 2 suffered from "hyped up animated film where characters talk too much while moving" syndrome. It was almost as bad as Lego Movie.

The Lego Movie wasn't great (just decent) and it's RIDICULOUSLY overrated, but How To Train Your Dragon 2 was REALLY good.
Not quite as good as the original, but not far off.

I disagree. I think HTTYD2 was a deeply mediocre film. It was a lot like Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs 2 - directionless, sloppily written, and just one disjointed scene of characters being stupid after another.

"YOU KNOW THAT DOESN'T WASH OUT!" Wow. So funny. Let's repeat this line a few times over 2 hours to drive home how funny and witty this movie thinks it is. Now let's have Hiccup stagger about randomly so he can trip over and generate some forced romantic tension.

Even the lacklustre Lilo and Stitch sequels were better than this. (Toothless is a Chris Sanders Stitch rehash, don't forget.)

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

the Incredibles is...a superhero story

The Incredibles is the Fantastic Four.

Except good, sure.

 

[Kolby Jack]

Unfortunately, Dreamworks haven't made a masterpiece like Puss in Boots since... Puss in Boots. How to Train Your Dragon 2 suffered from "hyped up animated film where characters talk too much while moving" syndrome. It was almost as bad as Lego Movie.

The Lego Movie wasn't great (just decent) and it's RIDICULOUSLY overrated, but How To Train Your Dragon 2 was REALLY good.
Not quite as good as the original, but not far off.

I disagree. I think HTTYD2 was a deeply mediocre film. It was a lot like Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs 2 - directionless, sloppily written, and just one disjointed scene of characters being stupid after another.

"YOU KNOW THAT DOESN'T WASH OUT!" Wow. So funny. Let's repeat this line a few times over 2 hours to drive home how funny and witty this movie thinks it is. Now let's have Hiccup stagger about randomly so he can trip over and generate some forced romantic tension.

Even the lacklustre Lilo and Stitch sequels were better than this. (Toothless is a Chris Sanders Stitch rehash, don't forget.)

I'm wondering if you even paid attention during the film. Dislike it if you want, but your examples aren't even true. They do the "you know that doesn't wash out" line twice, once in the beginning, and once at the end. And romantic tension? What romantic tension? Hiccup and Astrid are already a couple, there IS no romantic tension. I seriously have no idea what you're talking about with this.

As for the Stitch comparison... I guess they both spit things up? Ooooh, so similar.

Also, IMO, I thought Lilo and Stitch 2 was a GREAT sequel. The TV series and its movies, not so much though, so maybe you're referring to those.

 

[Ieyke]

the Incredibles is...a superhero story

The Incredibles is the Fantastic Four.

Except good, sure.

The Fantastic Four, when done correctly, are MUCH better than The Incredibles.
Unfortunate that we're not going to see that movie happen any time soon...