Driver discrimination

[Housebroken Lunatic]

Whats to joke about?

The joke being that those days were "the good old days", along with the utter ridiculousness of assuming that female drivers and sports practicioners are inherently worse than their male counterparts.

Some people prefer to look back at those days and become gloomy and depressed. I prefer to joke about it and laugh at the hilarity of it all. : )

Nothing is above being joked about. Not even baby seal clubbing, killing kids or setting cats on fire. If it can be joked about, it should. No matter how tasteless the joke might end up.

 

[Lord George]

I would say this is people age discriminating, but then I remember nearly all my friends who've got cars have been hit/crashed/hit other people and all drive fast and dangerously or just plain badly (ahh the brilliance of youth.)

 

[FallenJellyDoughnut]

Whats to joke about?

The joke being that those days were "the good old days", along with the utter ridiculousness of assuming that female drivers and sports practicioners are inherently worse than their male counterparts.

Some people prefer to look back at those days and become gloomy and depressed. I prefer to joke about it and laugh at the hilarity of it all. : )

Nothing is above being joked about. Not even baby seal clubbing, killing kids or setting cats on fire. If it can be joked about, it should. No matter how tasteless the joke might end up.

I was joking...

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

Whats to joke about?

The joke being that those days were "the good old days", along with the utter ridiculousness of assuming that female drivers and sports practicioners are inherently worse than their male counterparts.

Some people prefer to look back at those days and become gloomy and depressed. I prefer to joke about it and laugh at the hilarity of it all. : )

Nothing is above being joked about. Not even baby seal clubbing, killing kids or setting cats on fire. If it can be joked about, it should. No matter how tasteless the joke might end up.

I was joking...

Good, then I guess we follow the same prankster/trickster/jokester philosophy. : )

 

[wordsmith]

18 (nearly 19) years old, been driving since 4 months after my 17th birthday (so as soon as I could get my license).

My only crash? Doing 5 miles per hour.

Imagine a 90 degree corner, 2 way road, but on the corner is 2 one way roads leading on to the road which are at 90 degrees again (so it's basically a crossroads, but the main road takes up the left and top roads, and the one way roads go onto the main road from the right and the bottom). There is no solid right of way to say who goes first on the one way roads, so people usually treat it as filter in turn.

I'm at the bottom headed for the top, and there's a woman going from the right to the left. I let the person in front of her out, she waves me out so I pull forward enough to see around the corner. Three cars pass me, I begin to pull out onto the road and *bang*

The idiotic woman has decided she's not waiting for me, she's pulled out and I've gone into the side of her. The best bit "Nah, it's your fault, you didn't go!"

Police show up, they decide it's a 50/50 so neither of us are at fault, we should pay for our own damages, and off we go.

I tell a lie, this is the best bit. The next I hear about it, my insurance are notifying me that I've lost my no-claims, she's claimed £1000 in damages and they paid out without talking to me first.

Baring in mind I speed most days, usually about 10mph above the limit (which seem really low to me, designed to protect people who don't THINK when they drive), and I've never been caught, but this happened at 5mph. Which one is more dangerous? Seems like low speeds to me.

My mum, on the other hand, got shunted on a dual carriageway last time she had an accident. What happened? She got out of my dad's car (a Manual Jeepy-type thing) and into hers (an Auto Toyota 4WD), got half way along the avenue and went to change gears..

For those who haven't tried, Jeep clutches tend to be quite heavy, so they need to be stood on. In an automatic, there's an extended brake pedal where the clutch should be. She screeches to a halt from 40mph and the guy behind us doesn't.

"familiarity breeds contempt". I concentrate when I drive, older drivers don't.

 

[Dys]

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Granted, allowing 18 year olds to drive home from a club would increase the number of designated drivers and reduce drunken walkers and violence, but would simultaneously, no doubt, increase the number of intoxicated drivers who fell to peer pressure and had a beer, then decided to drive home rather than leave their car in the city and catch a cab. It's a delicate balance between a large number of factors. I'm not saying I don't agree with you, I'm just putting the other side of the argument out there.

I think it fair that demerit points should be limited. My brother has been fined twice, once for talking on his phone while driving and once for driving across double white lines (he is on his Ps), and he hasn't lost his license. However, I think that if you choose to drink and drive, considering the risk you partake to not only yourself but any other road users or pedestrians, you deserve to lose your license, regardless of whether you're a P plater or you have your full license.

You can get your learners at sixteen, your P plates at seventeen, your red P plates at 19, and your full license at 20. It's a 4 year process and, honestly, I think anyone that complains about the length is a bit of a noob. Clearly - the longer you restrict the number of people in the car after a certain time in which people are liable to be drunk and extremely distracting to an amateur driver, the safer and more experienced people will be. Oh and 95% of my friends my age work.

Hope I bettered your understanding

You've quoted the wrong person
I have at least one major issue with that above post (or rather my state government)...The red P platers are for the last portion of your years as a probationary driver...fucking brumpy spent over 2 million taxpayer dollars sending out green P plates because he wanted to "match the other states colour schemes", with newer drivers using red (which is what people already with probational licenses were previously using). God I hate my state government.

With the drink driving point, I would agree to a point (in that I concede that some drivers would set out to not drink and end up having some and driviing drunk) however the number of young drivers who do not display P plates so as to not draw attention to themselves when driving friends (both when being designated driver and otherwise) is nothing short of alarming. While I detest the use of P plates at all (I see the logic and I see how it can help, it just shits me beyond all reason when people decide it's ok be an asshole to me because I'm on P plates, even if that means cutting me off when I'm driving a fully loaded van and could not adequately stop if need be) I certainly don't like this "the law is stupid so fuck it all" attitude that these newer drivers are being encouraged to adopt (especially given that my 18 year old brother is allowed to carpool me and my 21 year old friends, but not his 18 year old, relatively responsible friends). You said you don't disagree with me so I won't keep this rant going, I just feel that that arguament is completely voided by any basic logic (of course I realize how unreasonable it is to expect any form of logic or even thought from the government so bleh).

As for the demerit point difference, I'm surprised you'd agree with it (given I agree with you on key points and am so firmly against it), although from what you've said I'm guessing that driving offences rate differently in QLD than they do in Victoria. I, like you would much prefer that talking on a mobile phone/ drink driving etc should be punishable by instant loss of license, however things like crossing double lines (which is often accidental (and something I've only ever heard of P platers being charged for) should carry far less of a penalty (3 demerit points out of 5 for probationary drivers or 12 for full drivers just seems unfair). My logic is that, as a learner, one is more likely to make an honest mistake, which should be punished less than an experienced driver who should know better (and as I said, people who put the lives of others at risk for no good reason should have their license revoked regardless of age/experience).

1) This is true. The lowest percentage of accidents actually occur whilst learners have a parent in the car, then, when learners get to drive alone, the accidents skyrocket to the most common, then slowly descend back to old age where there is an ever so slight spike. (If that's confusing i'll show you a picture)

That most certainly isn't the trend Monash university found. Basicially Learner drivers under 18 are the least likely to crash. By far the most likely to crash are the elderly demographic (that slight spike is by far the largest spike on the diagram) followed by the 21-25 year old drivers (full license drivers, this age demographic includes people who have finished tradeschool/university and can actually afford more powerful cars..not a coincidence in my eyes), The findings of this research in fact claimed that a male aged between 18 and 21 was no more likely to crash than a man aged between 31-40 (sill higher than other demographics, but not even close to the to previously mentioned and I'd put money on a higher percentage of accidents being 21 year olds than 18 year olds), female drivers in that same age group (18-21) are less than half as likely to crash...all these common beleifs seem to directly contradict fact. Perhaps the thing that bothers me most is that the public scoop up all these bullshit "look, we're helping" laws the government put in place, when all they actually do is make it look like their doing something :\

 

[Joos]

Whatever happened to the good old days where women was considered to be the worst at everything? (like driving, sports etc.) : P




Note: IM JOKING!

So if you are joking, could you please explain where all the female F1 drivers are?

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

So if you are joking, could you please explain where all the female F1 drivers are?

Nope. You wanna know why?

For the same reason why mens football/soccer attracts a much bigger crowd than womens football/soccer does.

It's called gender discrimination. It has been omnipresent in sports since sports were invented. : )

 

[crudus]

While these statistics anger me too, I would imagine it is based on the experience of the driver. The "young drivers" are probably decent drivers; they just don't know how to deal with the "bad drivers" of the world. Also the younger generation acts really stupid especially with friends right after they get their license. Don't tell me you didn't try to drive as much as possible when you got your license. In my opinion the "young drivers" will always be the "most unsafe" because it goes down to how much experience they have had, no matter the age of the "young drivers". We could make the driving age 35 and still have the youngest demographic be labeled as the "unsafe drivers".

Whatever happened to the good old days where women was considered to be the worst at everything? (like driving, sports etc.) : P
Note: IM JOKING!

So if you are joking, could you please explain where all the female F1 drivers are?

Uninterested? Not as good as their male counterparts when trying out for teams? (I am just speculating, I neither follow or am interested in the sport).

 

[Soxafloppin]

It annoys me how high car insurance is for young drivers, its disgusting.