drug testing in schools

[SendMeNoodz84]

I don't see anything wrong with it. You want to get high, do it outside of school and don't do a bunch of extracurricular activities. I mean, I'm sure using weed once or twice wouldn't affect things too much, but the constant potheads have chosen their path, and they need to deal with the consequences.

So basically you're saying that teens who smoke weed with any regularity shouldn't be allowed to participate in school activities? Not everyone who smokes goes to school/school activities while high, so why should they be excluded?

Because they're breaking the law/school rules?

So? It's a stupid law anyway. Fuckin' Alcohol is worse than weed.

QFT. In my profesion I have to deal with a LOT of drunk people, so I'll let you know that what you said is actually true. Besides that everyone here at my department calls Marijuana the "basically legal" drug, as there really are little to no consequences for carrying a bit or smoking it.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

I don't see anything wrong with it. You want to get high, do it outside of school and don't do a bunch of extracurricular activities. I mean, I'm sure using weed once or twice wouldn't affect things too much, but the constant potheads have chosen their path, and they need to deal with the consequences.

So basically you're saying that teens who smoke weed with any regularity shouldn't be allowed to participate in school activities? Not everyone who smokes goes to school/school activities while high, so why should they be excluded?

Because they're breaking the law/school rules?

So? It's a stupid law anyway. Fuckin' Alcohol is worse than weed.

QFT. In my profesion I have to deal with a LOT of drunk people, so I'll let you know that what you said is actually true. Besides that everyone here at my department calls Marijuana the "basically legal" drug, as there really are little to no consequences for carrying a bit or smoking it.

Yeah pretty much. Heard of lot's of people drinking themselves to death in one night, never heard anyone going on a marijuana overdose.

 

[SendMeNoodz84]

I don't see anything wrong with it. You want to get high, do it outside of school and don't do a bunch of extracurricular activities. I mean, I'm sure using weed once or twice wouldn't affect things too much, but the constant potheads have chosen their path, and they need to deal with the consequences.

So basically you're saying that teens who smoke weed with any regularity shouldn't be allowed to participate in school activities? Not everyone who smokes goes to school/school activities while high, so why should they be excluded?

Because they're breaking the law/school rules?

So? It's a stupid law anyway. Fuckin' Alcohol is worse than weed.

QFT. In my profesion I have to deal with a LOT of drunk people, so I'll let you know that what you said is actually true. Besides that everyone here at my department calls Marijuana the "basically legal" drug, as there really are little to no consequences for carrying a bit or smoking it.

Yeah pretty much. Heard of lot's of people drinking themselves to death in one night, never heard anyone going on a marijuana overdose.

That's because there is no such thing, and that's why most police officers, contrary to popular belief, don't actually despise the drug. We are usually on the lookout for much harder drugs with more immediate effects such as meth. Besides that I've worked on C Watch enough to tell you that alcohol is much more of a huge problem.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

That's because there is no such thing...

Well, that's what I meant.

 

[bigorexia]

It might seem silly and might seem like it is a breach of your civil liberties but it isn't. When you step onto a campus you give your consent for these types of things. From searching lockers to drug tests its all protected. If privacy is your concern go to a private school or get home schooled.

 

[JacobCO]

That's wrong we live in a country with civil liberties. The government cannot search us without probable cause. This is one big step to having big brother telling us what to do.

learn your Supreme Court cases

Really? Can you enlighten me as to which Supreme Court decisions allow a government agency to conduct chemical tests on a person's excretions without their consent?

(Don't you dare say New Jersey v. T.L.O. (1985) That decision relates to a student's belongings, and still required reasonable suspicion)

I know of a few, in CA, related to DUI/DWI... (well, actually, those are blood tests IIRC)

Certainly not related to, say, students in school.

And anyway, last I checked, the general stance on searches in general is that they must be looking for something specific not exploratory. (A Urine test for Marijuana, Alcohol, Speed, Cocaine, and Opiates could not be considered "specific" that's like saying "We're going to go through your entire hard drive and personal records in hopes of finding something illegal, be it child porn, falsified tax records, or documentation of conspiracy to commit murder" This type of search is occasionally referred to as a "Fishing expedition" c'mon, ever watch Law&Order?)

I'm pretty sure that a person's urine can be "expected" to be private. I don't just give it out to people, and it's not on display in a public area (in fact, public urination is, last I checked, a crime)

 

[Epitome]

See i think the american education system is generaly broken, old books and new metal detectors whos idea was that?, drugs testing to debate..? c'mon and

It might seem silly and might seem like it is a breach of your civil liberties but it isn't. When you step onto a campus you give your consent for these types of things. From searching lockers to drug tests its all protected.

You are legally obligated(at least here in Ireland think its the same in the states) to attend school until you reach leaving age so its entrapment, you can say go get home schooled or privated schooled but most dont have teh cash for that? ? And teh whole underage drinking thing where teh age to drink is 21 but the age of age of majority is 18 ffs? " Protecting the children?" they we officialy adults 3 years before they could drink? This drugs testing is definately a breech of civil liberties,at most schools should be able to request it of students and if they say no thats it no more about it.

 

[GenHellspawn]

EDIT: one problem i see with this policy is the fact that this same school gave my prom date and i a beer mug and wine glass for our prom gifts. which we promptly took to a prom party and used the hell out of

The management of this school is insanely retarded. Sure, pot makes you lazy, but alcohol can lead to violence easily, especially with teens.

 

[S.H.A.R.P.]

I think drug tests in school is a bad thing. Even if I would not smoke an occasional joint, I'd hate to have my blood being tested. Not because of a fear of needles or anything, but I'm just opposed to the idea that the government has such control. Get the hell out of my body, thank you kindly.

Also, this takes even more responsibility away from the parents. Parenting is becoming such an asocial thing nowadays. Just follow the book, don't listen to your instinct. We know what's good for you. In fact, you don't need to think at all! Who needs free will when you have all these things laid out for you.

Edit: Might I add that I have been smoking weed since the age of about 14 or 15 or so. I recently graduated, got a good paying job (despite the screwed economy), I'm a good member of society. I know I'm not the only one. So to anyone saying that all pot smokers are bad: "Fuck you"

 

[A random person]

This seems kinda paranoid to me, and I don't like the idea of kicking a kid out because he smoked some weed.

i also kinda feel it makes drug use even more taboo (and we all know how kids stay away from stuff that is taboo)

But they'd probably be smart enough to not do it if they'd get caught. And besides, I hate that notion that kids do stuff just because it's forbidden. They may be tempted if you don't explain why they shouldn't, but if you tell them why it's bad they won't just do it because you told them not to.

 

[bigorexia]

See i think the american education system is generaly broken, old books and new metal detectors whos idea was that?, drugs testing to debate..? c'mon and

It might seem silly and might seem like it is a breach of your civil liberties but it isn't. When you step onto a campus you give your consent for these types of things. From searching lockers to drug tests its all protected.

You are legally obligated(at least here in Ireland think its the same in the states) to attend school until you reach leaving age so its entrapment, you can say go get home schooled or privated schooled but most dont have teh cash for that? ? And teh whole underage drinking thing where teh age to drink is 21 but the age of age of majority is 18 ffs? " Protecting the children?" they we officialy adults 3 years before they could drink? This drugs testing is definately a breech of civil liberties,at most schools should be able to request it of students and if they say no thats it no more about it.

I think you misunderstand. Students do agree. Its implied consent, when you step on a public campus you are saying "If there is probable cause I can be searched/piss tested/etc."

 

[NeonZombie]

[BAD PUN ALERT] Ohh thats why they call it high school

 

[Deadpoolsbrain]

See i think the american education system is generaly broken, old books and new metal detectors whos idea was that?, drugs testing to debate..? c'mon and

It might seem silly and might seem like it is a breach of your civil liberties but it isn't. When you step onto a campus you give your consent for these types of things. From searching lockers to drug tests its all protected.

You are legally obligated(at least here in Ireland think its the same in the states) to attend school until you reach leaving age so its entrapment, you can say go get home schooled or privated schooled but most dont have teh cash for that? ? And teh whole underage drinking thing where teh age to drink is 21 but the age of age of majority is 18 ffs? " Protecting the children?" they we officialy adults 3 years before they could drink? This drugs testing is definately a breech of civil liberties,at most schools should be able to request it of students and if they say no thats it no more about it.

I think you misunderstand. Students do agree. Its implied consent, when you step on a public campus you are saying "If there is probable cause I can be searched/piss tested/etc."

See you said it right there probable cause. Random or all student piss tests is not probable cause that is searching you without probable cause.

 

[CptCamoPants]

See i think the american education system is generaly broken, old books and new metal detectors whos idea was that?, drugs testing to debate..? c'mon and

It might seem silly and might seem like it is a breach of your civil liberties but it isn't. When you step onto a campus you give your consent for these types of things. From searching lockers to drug tests its all protected.

You are legally obligated(at least here in Ireland think its the same in the states) to attend school until you reach leaving age so its entrapment, you can say go get home schooled or privated schooled but most dont have teh cash for that? ? And teh whole underage drinking thing where teh age to drink is 21 but the age of age of majority is 18 ffs? " Protecting the children?" they we officialy adults 3 years before they could drink? This drugs testing is definately a breech of civil liberties,at most schools should be able to request it of students and if they say no thats it no more about it.

I think you misunderstand. Students do agree. Its implied consent, when you step on a public campus you are saying "If there is probable cause I can be searched/piss tested/etc."

How is that implied consent?
We're forced to step on the campus to go to school, so we're forced to give consent?
If I ever get tested I'm gonna refuse and pull the 4th on them, and I've never smoked pot or done drugs in my life, and I don't plan on starting, ever.
And about the "If there is probably cause I can be searched/piss tested/etc.": Being picked at random or wanting to join a sports team doesn't give anyone probably cause.

 

[Jark212]

I can see the application for sports, but that's it.

 

[blaze96]

How is that implied consent?
We're forced to step on the campus to go to school, so we're forced to give consent?
If I ever get tested I'm gonna refuse and pull the 4th on them, and I've never smoked pot or done drugs in my life, and I don't plan on starting, ever.
And about the "If there is probably cause I can be searched/piss tested/etc.": Being picked at random or wanting to join a sports team doesn't give anyone probably cause.

You don't get a say, you give them permission to suspend your constitutional rights when you step on campus. There have been supreme court cases and they have found that suspension of certain rights in schools is constitutional, I believe that it had something to do with schools being either federal or state land and not public. If they have probable cause to suspect you of carrying something like drugs, they can search every logical area where it may be hidden (recent court case determined that they can't take the search to far, for example they can't strip you to search for Aspirin).

When you step on campus you no longer hold all your rights as a citizen because you are now on either state or federal land. That is also why schools can enforce dress and speech codes, searches without warrants, and many other things. So yes, when you step on school property you give implied consent. Also after school activities are under school jurisdiction and voluntary, you give them the right to search, test, etc you or just hold you from the team for failure to comply. It is the same with the professional sports teams, so really you shouldn't be all that surprised that they may test you for drugs to be on the team.

 

[JacobCO]

How is that implied consent?
We're forced to step on the campus to go to school, so we're forced to give consent?
If I ever get tested I'm gonna refuse and pull the 4th on them, and I've never smoked pot or done drugs in my life, and I don't plan on starting, ever.
And about the "If there is probably cause I can be searched/piss tested/etc.": Being picked at random or wanting to join a sports team doesn't give anyone probably cause.

You don't get a say, you give them permission to suspend your constitutional rights when you step on campus. There have been supreme court cases and they have found that suspension of certain rights in schools is constitutional, I believe that it had something to do with schools being either federal or state land and not public. If they have probable cause to suspect you of carrying something like drugs, they can search every logical area where it may be hidden (recent court case determined that they can't take the search to far, for example they can't strip you to search for Aspirin).

When you step on campus you no longer hold all your rights as a citizen because you are now on either state or federal land. That is also why schools can enforce dress and speech codes, searches without warrants, and many other things. So yes, when you step on school property you give implied consent.

Your... ah... GAWD. I'm not even going to touch this.

That's not what implied consent means man! Not at all!

Schools can do searches of School Property (I.E. Lockers) Without consent because they own the lockers. They can't go pawing through your backpacks/pockets without one of: consent/warrant/cause.
New Jersey v. T.L.O. (1985) still required reasonable suspicion. IE no "just because" or fishing expeditions of a student's pockets/bags on their person.

You never "Automatically" give consent to a search, even if you're on private property, like, say, a Concert ground, and the security guards there demand to search you, you have the right to say "no" they can request you leave the premisie if you don't consent to a search (as it's private property) But they cannot force a search on you.
You have the Choice to get searched, or get out.

Forcing students to submit to blood/urine tests is a fishing expedition. They have no knowledge as to whether or not a given student has committed a crime, and no probable cause/reasonable suspicion what so ever. Unless, suddenly, wanting to be in a Drama club is proof of one's intent to smoke weed.

It's completely different from attempting to search a child's possessions when his eyes are blood shot, his teeth are stained, and he smells like the art teacher's office. (or is exhibiting multiple symptoms of drug/alcohol use)

I.. arrrgh. Nevermind, I know a lost cause when I see one.

 

[L9OBL]

thats hypocritical and really its kinda unfair to have to take a drug test for eca so what if they smoked a little weed to calm them down if its not affecting their academic performance or their performance in ecas let em be

 

[The Jackyl]

I graduated High School in '03 so this has very little impact on my life, but I would like to state for the record that, although I am for the legalization of all narcotics and support personal freedom, I think that if you're joining an organization (i.e. a high school sports team) that organization has the right to instate and act upon any membership requirements that they see fit.

Unless I'm misunderstanding the situation.