Du Pont heir dodged prison for raping 3-year-old daughter after judge ruled he 'would not fare well'

[Bombiz]

I'd say if you ever find your self having pedophilic thoughts just castrate your self. it'd be better then living with it for the rest of your life.

 

[softclocks]

Sometimes yes, but I'd hardly be surprised if she wanted never to see him again

Being abused increases the chances that someone will become an abuser, but most aren't. If nothing else, most perpetrators are male, and most victims are female.

And, he's not "clearly" suffering from a mental illness just because he commits a terrible crime. That's nothing more than othering, saying one of Us would never do something like that.

Saying that he should be alive as to serve as a vital step in her rehabilitation process is not refuted by doubting that she wants to see him again. Even if she does go through with it's going to be hard on her.

In America there's an estimate that 30% of people who have been abused will abuse someone again. That's a pretty high percentage when you consider the fact that some victims of abuse die, or become so emotionally scarred that they never function normally again. So no, I don't think it's a stretch to assume that people who abuse children have been victims of abuse themselves.

And it's nothing like trying to dehumanize him, nor is it "othering" because I believe most people can be capable of things like this, given the same unfortunate circumstances. What I don't believe in, is some kind of inherent evil that just makes a man want to rape his son and daughter. I believe there's a reason why he did this.

 

[CaptainMarvelous]

Wait, WHY would he struggle in jail? It's not like your crimes get announced (seriously, what's the first thing everyone asks? "What are you in for") and it took 4 YEARS for us at the Escapist to hear about it and WE have reliable internet. If no-one found out why he was IN prison then surely he'd do just fine (and let's face it, he's rich enough and white enough to manage to gag-order that).

Not to mention this particularly bizarre take where we have the two extremes of "Massacre him! Go full Viking on his ass! Make the Aztec's sacrifices look like a 5 year olds birthday party, RAAAAAGE!!" and an equal out-cry of "No! IT's immoral, he's still a human being, we can't sentence him to death! Leave him alone!" where I kinda agree with both. 8 years of probation is nothing, literally nothing, to a guy who can pretty much get away with raping a 3 year old. Rehabilitation is important but there needs to be an element of punishment for crimes as well otherwise what's the point of law? If a crime as heinous as this leads to him having to see an assigned officer once a month then hell why wouldn't he just start murdering people? It's not like he got caught for THIS for several years.

But I'm not advocating brutal pain and death for the guy (my primal side definitely is but I have a frontal lobe, I need to try and exercise it) because all that does is kill one dude, if it would legitimately repair the damage done I'd back it but it probably wouldn't. Even life in prison probably wouldn't rectify it (honestly, I'm at a loss for what to do, I just think consideration for the victims should be what drives the ruling, that little girl wants him in prison forever? It's happening. She wants him on probation? I'd lower the pitchfork and torch with great difficulty but do so).

This is a complete miscarriage of justice because it's entirely working to safeguard the criminal. Prison is removing from society people who break the agreements we have to function in it. This was a pretty fucking severe breaking of the agreements, he should be removed from that society. If he can't function in the removed area that's not something we need concern ourselves with, it is not a death sentence! While it could happen, he could equally be stabbed in the street the next day because we all saw this article and a number of us have poor emotional control.

But hey, I'm not a judge. What do I know.

 

[greatcheezer2021]

when i went to haiti, people who were caught doing this shit were dragged behind trucks, tied by their heads when i visited in 2011. and 2014 here in americuh-fuck-yeah, we wont even send the guy to prison? what the fuck is wrong with this country and its people?

 

[chikusho]

Apparently, not even the prosecutor demanded any prison time. It went straight to probation in exchange for a guilty plea. So it's not like the judge was the only person in the room who saw prison as an unfit punishment.

 

[Ninjamedic]

When both are ineffectual and ultimately meaningless harumphs to boost one's own sense of righteousness? Yep.

So concern at worryingly high degree of bloodlust is the same as bloodlust.

I forgot, this is the internet, where stating my opinion on anything automatically makes me a hypocrite.

 

[kickyourass]

So many conflicting emotions and thoughts it's tough to decide where to start.

OK on the one hand, if we're to a point where a man can literally confess to raping his 3 year old daughter and walk away it is a drastic sign that our justice system needs to be completely reworked, that is simply unacceptable. The judge's reasoning I can kinda get, he doesn't want to send a guy in just to get murdered two days into his sentence (If that), but the fact that most prisons are equipped with facilities meant to separate inmates like this from other prisoners makes it fall apart. Is there some kind of opposite appeal where we can put him on trial again with a different court?

And really his phrasing of it just makes him sound like the most limp dicked coward alive. "Would not fare well?" what the fuck does that mean? "Would get brutally murdered almost instantly" that at least is honest and clear.

I want this man punished as harshly as possible, honestly guys like this are probably the best reason for why I should NEVER be put in a position of real power because what I REALLY want is for him to be bloodily beaten to death in view of as many others as possible or at least have his dick chopped off with an ax. But that's not really justice, that's vengeance, and is why we're supposed to have as objective a third party as possible in charge of cases like this where blood runs boiling hot. As much as it pisses me off sometimes we are better off getting rid of the 'kill 'em, maim 'em, throw 'em in a ditch' style of law making we used to have.

 

[LetalisK]

When both are ineffectual and ultimately meaningless harumphs to boost one's own sense of righteousness? Yep.

So concern at worryingly high degree of bloodlust is the same as bloodlust.

I forgot, this is the internet, where stating my opinion on anything automatically makes me a hypocrite.

You're so silly, just because your opinion on something is hypocritical doesn't mean every opinion on anything is hypocritical. That would be crazy. It's only about 97% of them.

 

[generals3]

There's a big distinction between pedophiles and rapists though. Just because you have a sexual attraction to children doesn't force you to rape them. Hatred to pedophiles I will agree with you, it creates more problems than it solves. This guy isn't just a pedophile though.

Doing something like that to a three year old is horrible. And he did it multiple times. He didn't seek therapy or treatment for his mental illness for 8 years. Only time he goes pleading mental illness is when he's been caught and being threatened with jail time. No, he doesn't deserve to die in jail, but that doesn't mean that he should get out of jail free card. As far as I know that's not customary for child molesters to just be thrown on probation, I wouldn't be surprised if money turned this into his favor, be it through bribes, status, or just the fact he could afford good enough lawyers.

You're correct there is a difference between the illness and acting upon it. However the current situation is one which maximizes the odds for things to go wrong. On one hand it is impossible to act upon these desires in a morally acceptable and legal way and on the other hand there is such a stigma attached to it people who suffer from it don't dare to seek help. Until the latter stops being true I will keep on preferring sending those people, even those who acted upon it, on therapy or in psychiatric institutions rather than jail.

 

[Bombiz]

When both are ineffectual and ultimately meaningless harumphs to boost one's own sense of righteousness? Yep.

So concern at worryingly high degree of bloodlust is the same as bloodlust.

I forgot, this is the internet, where stating my opinion on anything automatically makes me a hypocrite.

You're so silly, just because your opinion on something is hypocritical doesn't mean every opinion on anything is hypocritical. That would be crazy. It's only about 97% of them.

I wonder what would be the solution if some one started having pedophilic thoughts but didn't act on them. self castration/ castration is probably the first thing that comes to mind since they couldn't really go get help for it unless they wanna be shunned fro the rest of their life. of course their's always the bullet to the head, save everyone some time.

I wonder if there are people who have these thoughts for their whole life but never really act on them outside of hentai. and i wonder if they ever live normal lives?

fuck this is too much thinking.

 

[lvramire]

Read the whole thread and I'm honestly scared only a little bit more by the child-rapist than I am by the posters advocating many different kinds of brutal punishment. I hope I don't meet either of you in a dark alleyway.

 

[O maestre]

would it really be a loss for humanity if this bastard was shanked to death? I do not understand or sympathize with him or his actions, nor do I understand any rational for leniency.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Maybe not, but at least he'd be forced to suffer for it.

That doesn't solve anything.

Oftentimes later interactions between victim and perpetrator can help the victim overcome some of the problems they're likely to struggle with. Having this guy shanked in prison harms the little girl's chances of recovering from her trauma.

Edit: And this guy's already suffering. He's clearly suffering from some kind of mental illness and odds are he was abused as a child as well.

Really? How does understanding why he's a sick fuck help her recover?

Also suffering from a mental illness and suffering for your crimes are not the same thing. Nor should mental illness be an excuse.

And this attitude is exactly why criminality in the US and other countries with harsh prison terms is at an all-time low, and why recidivism rates in countries like Norway who specialise in rehabilitation rather than revenge is shy-high. And it has been scientifically proven that the harsher punishments, the lower the crime rate.

Oh wait, hmm, soemthing isn't quite right about that sentence, can you point it out?

You mean besides the fact that criminality in the states isn't at an all time low nor does it have harsh prison terms and most criminals can buy their way out of their sentences?

 

[Mossberg Shotty]

As much as this infuriates me, the judge was probably right.

There's that saying about what happens to child rapists in prison...

I hope the civil case ruins him until he's forced to take his chances on the street.

I don't think right even figures into the equation. He probably wouldn't do well in prison, but that doesn't make him any less deserving of it. I think it speaks volumes that child rapists are even despised by the dregs of humanity.

Apparently there's no limit to what money can get you out of.

 

[Frankster]

Well if I ever get caught for a crime, I'm gonna be sure to make a big fuss that I wouldn't fare well in prison either so therefore I shouldn't go to prison. GENIUS.

Hope this trick works even if you're not a wealthy scion of a prestigious family.

 

[Stg]

Remember, kids, the rules don't apply to you when you're rich! Let any ordinary person try to get out of a prison sentence for rape because "I wouldn't fare well in jail"- his head would still be spinning from having the book thrown at him when the cell door closed.

Eh, I'm not so sure about that. The state of Vermont loves pedophiles. In fact, several years ago one man was given 30 days rehab after he molested a little girl for over eight years. Being rich helps, but there are many liberal states who love the bullshit cop-out of "I have a disease, I'm the real victim, and I need help". It's sad, but it's true.

Where I live, we had a guy who sexually molested a deaf boy and he was given only five years in prison. Sometime between leaving the court and arriving to holding, he disappeared but miraculously his body was found a week later in a dumpster a few blocks away from the courthouse.

Moral of the story - when the judicial system fails, there are always good people out there who do what needs to be done. Online petitions don't mean dick when it comes to real world events, especially one as high profile as the du Pont heir raping his daughter, so we can only hope that there are some decent human beings in his area.

 

[Vegosiux]

Moral of the story - when the judicial system fails, there are always good people out there who do what needs to be done.

Oh hey, yeah, let's reward violent behavior with praise, that's a great idea. I mean, it's not like it's homicide if the victim has done something awful enough in the past...(who gets to be the arbiter on the matter of "How awful is awful enough that killing the person isn't homicide" by the way?)

Seriously, I say just employ serial killers as executioners, or something, least they can legally kill people then.

 

[Bernzz]

Afraid of him being shanked/abused by other prisoners?
Put him in solitary confinement, then.

Definitely don't let the fucker get out of jail time. Just don't let him interact with other prisoners if you fear for his life.