Dues Ex ?

[Sozac]

Hey guys, I have heard a lot of people going crazy over Deus Ex 3 this year or something. Is there any reason I haven't heard of the other games? Also, what is it even like.

 

[Onyx Oblivion]

You'll hear the following:

Deus Ex 1 is good

Deus Ex 2/Invisible War is shit

Deus Ex 3 is looking good/like shit

My personal opinion is that they've aged like crap, 1 was good, IW was good, and I'm happy to see 3 coming.

1 must've been mindblowing for it's time, though.

 

[ewhac]

Maybe because you misspelled it?

"Deus Ex" is what you're looking for.

 

[Judgement101]

It's a shooter, and a role-playing game, the levels are ugly and everyone looks the same.

OT: It's basically an FPSRPG that sold a lot and it was fun. You probably haven't heard about it because it is over a decade old.

 

[Lawyer105]

You'll hear the following:

1 is good

2 is shit

3 is looking good/like shit

My personal opinion is that they've all aged like crap, and I'm happy to see 3 coming.

If you can get over the graphics, DE1 is still an awesome game - almost everything but the graphics is still excellent.

DE2 was pure shovelware. I'm not even going to get into it.

DE3 is looking like utter total crap - for DE. Slap another name on it, and it's probably quite a good game. But it isn't really Deus Ex in any way, shape or form.

 

[GoGrapefruit]

Hey guys, I have heard a lot of people going crazy over Dues Ex 3 this year or something. Is there any reason I haven't heard of the other games? Also, what is it even like.

I think im going to be sick

 

[Goofguy]

The first one was a really good game. The story was great and you made choices that actually mattered. Also, despite having all the nano-technology upgrades, you couldn't just run in to a room and easily gun down every bad guy... you had to think about how to approach the situation, which made it that much more immersing. Nowadays though, it would all seem so outdated (especially the graphics, sheesh).

For being such a fan of the first, I've never actually played the second. I guess since it got so critically panned, I never bothered to pick it up. I will be getting in to DE:HR though, it looks pretty sweet.

 

[GiantRaven]

DE2 was pure shovelware. I'm not even going to get into it.

Please do get into it, I don't see how it deserves to be called 'shovelware'. It wasn't a particularly good game but I wouldn't bestow such a title upon it.

The first one was a really good game. The story was great and you made choices that actually mattered.

I don't remember seeing any choices that particularly mattered throughout the course of the game. Is there something I'm missing/forgetting?

 

[TStormer]

I got deux ex 1 when it was cheap on steam, and I'll be honest it didn't really do anything for me. I am not a graphics whore, but the gameplay seemed kinda gimmicky, and the combat felt boring and impersonal.

You may begin raging now.

 

[Woodsey]

Ever gone into a mission in a game and thought: "fuck, I don't want to save these hostages?"

Deus Ex lets you blow those fuckers right up, and then move on to the next level.

Its in a league of its own, but it'd be difficult to get into if you've not even seen it until now. The 3rd looks very good though, and is becoming more promising the more they show if off.

And they've allowed the option to turn off object highlighting and objective waypoints before someone starts going on about that.

 

[-Drifter-]

If you can get over the graphics, DE1 is still an awesome game - almost everything but the graphics is still excellent.

No, no not really. The controls aren't very good, the AI is pathetic, the voice acting ranges from mediocre to downright laughable, the interface is incredibly unintuitive, the level design is bland and confusing, etc.

I have no doubt that it was a great, or at least impressive, game when it came out, but try to look at it from a modern day perspective. It's aged about as well as milk in the sun.

And what, exactly, leads you to believe that Deus Ex is somehow going to be utter crap (for a Deus Ex game?)

 

[Lawyer105]

No, no not really. The controls aren't very good TRUE, the AI is pathetic TRUE, the voice acting ranges from mediocre to downright laughable TRUE, the interface is incredibly unintuitive TRUE, the level design is bland and confusing FALSE, etc.

I have no doubt that it was a great, or at least impressive, game when it came out, but try to look at it from a modern day perspective. It's aged about as well as milk in the sun.

Except for the level design (which was actually pretty good, even if the graphics were rubbish), giving you REAL options (not pretend BS like most modern games) for accomplishing the assigned task in several completely different methods, every complaint you had is true.

And you know what.... even today, with all those faults, Deus Ex 1 is a better game than some developers are pushing out. Recent editions of Call of Duty come to mind.

And what, exactly, leads you to believe that Deus Ex 3 is somehow going to be utter crap (for a Deus Ex game?)

Corrected your typo. DE is about dystopian societies, plots, betrayals, sneaking around and all the other stuff that should be in a cyberpunk game. DE1 was the closest I've ever seen to a successful implementation of a real Shadowrun type world on the computer. Everything I've seen and read about DE3 tells me it's suffering from the Matrix Syndrome.

Please do get into it, I don't see how it deserves to be called 'shovelware'. It wasn't a particularly good game but I wouldn't bestow such a title upon it.

In DE1, you could build your character around a specific playstyle, expect to succeed at missions using that playstyle (as long as you don't do stupid stuff). If you did the right things, you could sneak around, one-shot guards from stealth cover if necessary and complete the mission completely undetected. Or you could run in, kill everything on the map, hunt around for any goodies you'd missed and move along. It was your call. The maps were large and sprawling, giving you multiple options to address any given problem. The story was good enough that I allnighted the first evening.

In DE2, the story-writing was poor. Three hours in, I was no more invested than I would be in my tax return. The gameplay had been dumbed down and consolified because you couldn't aim for yourself any more, and had this stupid auto-aim system that insisted on targeting random squirrels or somesuch instead of the big-nasty about to put holes in you, and it refused to do aimed shots.... even with the silenced head-shot tranq dart pistol thingy (which meant that everything on the damned map was instantly alerted by the yelling guard with a tranq in his chest. The maps were (largely) linear, and I seldom found a stealth approach to be at all successful. It pretty much forced you into combat (which made it worse if you'd built for stealth). Everything I loved about DE1 was screwed up in DE2. I tried to like it. I really did. But that didn't make it any less shite.

 

[-Drifter-]

And what, exactly, leads you to believe that Deus Ex 3 is somehow going to be utter crap (for a Deus Ex game?)

Corrected your typo. DE is about dystopian societies, plots, betrayals, sneaking around and all the other stuff that should be in a cyberpunk game. DE1 was the closest I've ever seen to a successful implementation of a real Shadowrun type world on the computer. Everything I've seen and read about DE3 tells me it's suffering from the Matrix Syndrome.

I'm not sure what you mean by that, but everything I've seen on Human Revolution seems fairly similar to Deus Ex 1, albeit highly improved. The levels have multiple points of entry, there's plenty of sneaking to be done (which seems to be encouraged, given that in the video I saw getting shot once took half your health,) and the story does altar around the way you play. Screw around too long before doing your mission? The hostages might be dead by the time you show up. Go in guns blazing and you'll develop a reputation as a bit of a cowboy. Instead of killing a character you can knock him out/talk him down, and he'll become an important character later who's attitude towards you will change depending on which approach you took.

Setting-wise, though, I'll wait and see before passing judgement. All I know is that I really like the graphical style.

 

[StBishop]

Hey guys, I have heard a lot of people going crazy over Dues Ex 3 this year or something. Is there any reason I haven't heard of the other games? Also, what is it even like.

I think im going to be sick

Best first post ever?

But to be honest, I never played it. It was before my time. I do know what it is, but only due to my brother. Who reacted the same way as GoGrapefruit did when I said "Deus Ex... dubblyew tee eff lol!"
... Yeah I literally said lol.

 

[ewhac]

Put on a trenchcoat
And fight some conspiracies
Get experience
And level up abilities
Will you pick rifles
Or computers?
Don't pick swimming because
It's fairly useless

It's a shooter, and a role-playing game, the levels are ugly and everyone looks the same.

We're not the same Ion Storm
That made Daikatana
Our games are good
And they stay on schedule

We made a sqeuel
that no one liked
'Cause we dumbed it down too much
'Cause we're thick.

-- from Guitar Hero World Tour [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/452-Guitar-Hero-World-Tour] (seek to 4:33)

 

[ultrachicken]

DE is about dystopian societies, plots, betrayals, sneaking around and all the other stuff that should be in a cyberpunk game. DE1 was the closest I've ever seen to a successful implementation of a real Shadowrun type world on the computer. Everything I've seen and read about DE3 tells me it's suffering from the Matrix Syndrome.

Last time I checked, the new Deus Ex is a near future stealth game (with the option to specialize in being a walking tank, should you be so inclined) about a shady corporation that is involved with the government in conspiracies. What in that description is so different from the first game?

 

[Sacman]

The first is a classic... sure it aged like crap but it was way ahead of it's time... The second is way too dumbed down and far removed to be considered a proper successor... if it wasn't called Deus Ex it would be a lot better received... the third's looking like it's coming along good... but as a fanboy of the original I'm inclined to say that it's going to fail miserably and make children cry...

also the reason you haven't heard of it is it was a PC exclusive from 2000 later ported to only the PS2...

 

[seditary]

Ever gone into a mission in a game and thought: "fuck, I don't want to save these hostages?"

Deus Ex lets you blow those fuckers right up, and then move on to the next level.

Its in a league of its own, but it'd be difficult to get into if you've not even seen it until now. The 3rd looks very good though, and is becoming more promising the more they show if off.

And they've allowed the option to turn off object highlighting and objective waypoints before someone starts going on about that.

Pretty much this, and I'd like to add that any game that makes the pacifist option viable and as entertaining as killing everyone is bloody brilliant. I still consider it equal to the best game ever made with Planescape: Torment. People who aren't able to appreciate the brilliance in Deus Ex are missing something fundamental to gaming. (note to idiots: I said appreciate the brilliance, not like the game)

 

[Tulks]

Put on a trenchcoat
And fight some conspiracies
Get experience
And level up abilities
Will you pick rifles
Or computers?
Don't pick swimming because
It's fairly useless

-snip-

Every time I hear the theme, I think of Yahtzee's lyrics.

 

[The Youth Counselor]

DE is about dystopian societies, plots, betrayals, sneaking around and all the other stuff that should be in a cyberpunk game. DE1 was the closest I've ever seen to a successful implementation of a real Shadowrun type world on the computer. Everything I've seen and read about DE3 tells me it's suffering from the Matrix Syndrome.

Last time I checked, the new Deus Ex is a near future stealth game (with the option to specialize in being a walking tank, should you be so inclined) about a shady corporation that is involved with the government in conspiracies. What in that description is so different from the first game?

*It's developed by a completely different company, and only a few of the original creators (writers) are involved...but the involvement is only partial.
*It has a third person perspective through some parts. (Although the other Deus Ex games went into third person for cutscenes and dialogue.)
*Despite being set 25 years before the first game and 45 years before the last game, it's more futuristic looking than either one.
*There are no greasels, karkians, greys or other transgenic monsters.
*There is a regenerative health system.

Well yeah that's all the ones off the top of my head. There are nitpickers who can fill a whole novel with deviations from the originals, but I'm looking forward to the game.