Duke Nukem RPG cancelled.

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The_Scrivener

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Duke Nukem is a corpse with a tan. Bury him already. Making Duke Nukem games in 2014 makes as much sense as making Anthony Michael Hall teen movies in 2014. It's over. Stop it already.
 

Shadow-Phoenix

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It's a shame that we'll never get a decent modern DN game, either a studio fucks it over or a lawsuit is filed and then there's fans who have moved on but really haven't to tell everyone else that there isn't a need for one, same with Sonic and every other franchise really.

then again I'm done with gearbox and their shitty practices and lies after what happened with A:CM and DNF anyway.
 

Reed Spacer

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And nothing of value was lost.

The sooner Duke Nukem fades away and is forgotten, the better.
 

Weaver

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That's a shame. I love Duke and being apparently the only person on this forum besides Cookie who actually played DNF, the game was actually pretty good. I'd even say somewhat above average. Not a 10/10, but it's not a 4/10 either. It's a fun, cheesy shooter with Duke being Duke like he always was.

The levels were downright clever at times (the kitchen level always comes to mind), the weapons were actually fun instead of just being 40 kinds of assault rifle like MMS games, and some of the boss fights were really challenging. It's a shame so many people hate on it without giving the game a chance.
 

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Reed Spacer said:
And nothing of value was lost.

The sooner Duke Nukem fades away and is forgotten, the better.
Duke Nukem shouldn't be forgotten, he's an important peice of gaming history. That being said, they should just let sleeping dogs lie, and let him stay dead. Then again...Sonic.
 

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While I'm not exactly a fan of Duke Nukem (didn't even much care for DN3D, to be honest), what I want to know is why a major part of culture should be forgotten.

There hasn't been a Moby Dick book since the one Moby Dick book ever written (save perhaps a few published fanfics here and there), but it hasn't been forgotten, being a major part of literary culture. (And, no, I'm not comparing Duke Nukem to Moby Dick in terms of their quality/sophistication of content... though admittedly I haven't read Moby Dick, yet.)

I, for one, am not a big fan of loving something while it's new, and then deciding to hate it as the years go by. As a Sonic fanboy, I, too, want the franchise to AT LEAST take a decade-long break, if not just stop making games. But I'm NOT going to stop enjoying and talking about the good games in the franchise. The relevance of a piece of art need not diminish just because "sequels" are no longer being made, because it's no longer fashionable, or because certain people may not particularly "like" it (I don't much care for the Mona Lisa, and I prefer Beethoven over Mozart).
 

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krazykidd said:
Reed Spacer said:
And nothing of value was lost.

The sooner Duke Nukem fades away and is forgotten, the better.
Duke Nukem shouldn't be forgotten, he's an important peice of gaming history.
Is he really? I mean we had platformers before Duke Nukem, 3D shooters before DN3D and shitty retro reboots before DNF. I played the Apogee originals back in the day but never really understood his popularity above countless other franchises.
 

Ieyke

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krazykidd said:
Reed Spacer said:
And nothing of value was lost.

The sooner Duke Nukem fades away and is forgotten, the better.
Duke Nukem shouldn't be forgotten, he's an important peice of gaming history. That being said, they should just let sleeping dogs lie, and let him stay dead. Then again...Sonic.
Sega just needs to be bought by Nintendo so that Nintendo can completely overhaul Sonic and finally make a good Sonic game. There's nothing at all wrong with Sonic as a concept. It's just the execution that is terrible.

I could EASILY tell you -exactly- what needs to be done with Sonic to make the series great.
 

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Big_Willie_Styles said:
I'd like a Duke Nukem game to be good. If you could get a good writer that could mimic the mystic of the '70s through '90s action films without being terrible. A true parody of them would be amazing.

And since they're not gonna make any more Saints Row games, I'd like more of this kind of game. MAD MAD MAD MAD MAD in other words.
I'd highly recommend Blood Dragon, its prettymuch the modern equivalent of it, minus the main character.
 

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Wow, this is really sad. I mean, the idiots who screwed up DNF are sueing the company that started it... really messed up how legal stuff works sometimes...

To the people who are glad just because they didn't like DNF? Well, lets see how you feel when 10 years from now Master Cheeze or Call of Dooty guy #69 are crapped on.
 

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Duke Nukem is a fine property and character, but not something that is going to be a comparative block buster in today's market which is dominated by casuals and the everyman, and has as a result brought with it large numbers of hyper-sensitive liberals (and this is not just a general bash here believe it or not). The point of Duke was more or less to be irreverent and do things that were "just plain wrong" within the veneer of him being a deliberately over
the top action hero. People got all upset about DNF because of the fact that it was sexist, over the top, and Duke while being portrayed as a hero, is an arrogant douchebag who has everything turning up roses for him, as opposed to being "called on it", being made to suffer for being a jerk, etc... basically the general attitude being from a large portion of the attitude is that the only way such a character should exist is if it's some variation on "Johnny Bravo". These attitudes of social justice, and the douchebag getting his, contrary to popular belief DID exist in the 80s, and when DNF came out. Part of the POINT of Duke is that he's exactly the guy who personality wise should "get his" except he's the protagonist, and a genuine hero, who as I said, always wins and has things turn out for the best. It's funny in part because of the sheer wrongness of the entire thing. If your offended by the idea of Duke being a macho jerk who has women all over him despite not always treating them the best, then really your kind of missing the point, and these games were never for you, you have the wrong kind of sense of humor if you think issues like "sexism" always have to be handled with deadpan seriousness all the time. Back in the day there were less gamers, the mainstream was hardly involved, and you could be irreverent and poke fun at the kinds of things Duke did in the way it did without people lighting up the torches and pitchforks because you were mocking a sacred cow and "real issues". Nowadays gaming has become so mainstream that you can only be irreverent when it's within permissive parameters (which is as contradictory as saying your free to be an Anarchist as long as you do it in a nice orderly manner).

The fact is that the DNF game wasn't all that well put together, and it needed better writing. That said the property has a future as long as it's released with the understanding that it's a niche product. Done correctly DNF should upset people with a deep, left wing agenda, who take sexism and similar issues way too seriously, Duke pretty much exists to mock people like that, if huge numbers of people aren't being offended by the content when it becomes known, then it's being done wrong. Of course developers also need to understand that they will have to be ready to take the flak because unlike the old days more people will notice.
 

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Duke Nukem belongs in a museum. His importance is historical, as of this point in time - not current. Kids today don't give two shits about a walking parody of eighties and nineties action flick heroes, not when the standard for video game protagonists seems to involve either the Tortured type, the Gruff type or the Quirky type.

Plus, I don't even know if today's preteens and teens still look at pixellated boobies with the kind of red flush you'd get after sampling the forbidden fruit. Being an adult, Duke's entire repertoire just feels childish to me, as opposed to how subversively kickass I used to think it was.
 

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Weaver said:
That's a shame. I love Duke and being apparently the only person on this forum besides Cookie who actually played DNF, the game was actually pretty good. I'd even say somewhat above average. Not a 10/10, but it's not a 4/10 either. It's a fun, cheesy shooter with Duke being Duke like he always was.

The levels were downright clever at times (the kitchen level always comes to mind), the weapons were actually fun instead of just being 40 kinds of assault rifle like MMS games, and some of the boss fights were really challenging. It's a shame so many people hate on it without giving the game a chance.
Clearly that's because you're a misogynist (sarcasm). At least that's the vibe I've gotten whenever I try and point at the Duke is supposed to be an over-the-top parody.

Anyway, while I think DNF was pretty bad (I hated the fact that they restricted you to two guns and had regenerating health, and the vehicle sequences just dragged on forever), I think a lot of people who had so much hate on it never even played Duke Nukem 3D, and they listened to the older folk talk about how awesome it was when they first played DN3D, so they were expecting some sort of masterpiece. What they got was basically what Duke 3D was: a silly shooter that had lots of toilet humor and sex jokes.

A big part of the reason Duke 3D was such a big deal when it was released was because it was the first game that used the Build Engine, which pretty much dominated shooters for years. It was also the first one that really had a lot of interaction with the environment and actually had you play a real character, as opposed to "silent Space Marine #14". The fact that it pushed the boundaries of good taste so much was just sort of icing on the cake.
 

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michael87cn said:
To the people who are glad just because they didn't like DNF? Well, lets see how you feel when 10 years from now Master Cheeze or Call of Dooty guy #69 are crapped on.
You mean like right now?
Satisfied.
 

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IamLEAM1983 said:
Plus, I don't even know if today's preteens and teens still look at pixellated boobies with the kind of red flush you'd get after sampling the forbidden fruit. Being an adult, Duke's entire repertoire just feels childish to me, as opposed to how subversively kickass I used to think it was.
That's because the material he's aping is remarkably childish in its nature.
Seriously: Beneath the R-ratings, 80s and 90s action badasses are the power fantasies of children; especially young to teenage males.

Given the glut of big dumb action-schlock that makes megabucks to this day, there's easily still a place for Duke Nukem in modern gaming. (and I don't necessarily mean that in a demeaning way either; Duke would fit right in in something like Saints Row or Borderlands; or, dare I say, perhaps as a villain?) If something like Blood Dragon can succeed these days, there's nothing wrong with the persona of The Duke; just his application.

But no future Duke Nukem game is going to work so long as the character is in the hands of has-beens; has-beens who have repeatedly neglected and licensed him out to the lowest bidder for the better part of the last 2 decades. Gearbox, for all the shit people slung at them before (much of it justified), was more than right to kill the 3DR DN project. And I mean more than legally right.
 

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michael87cn said:
To the people who are glad just because they didn't like DNF? Well, lets see how you feel when 10 years from now Master Cheeze or Call of Dooty guy #69 are crapped on.
Probably the same way I do now: Like I dodged a bullet.

Except moreso, because I don't even like Halo or Call of Duty. I did like the original two Duke Nukem games, but the franchise is dead, and he wasn't a very pleasant or likeable character in the first place, so I'm MORE than happy to let him stay dead.