E3 Killjoy 2010

Dorkmaster Flek

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Not G. Ivingname said:
Odd, you didn't take one jab at the 3DS, games going to be on Nintendo consoles, or anything related to Nintendo. You leaving stuff for Yahtzee or do you have no problem with anything they have done?
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't have any problem with Nintendo. The 3DS is capitalizing on the 3D gimmick, yes, but it doesn't require those stupid glasses. Other than that, they pretty much just unloaded a ton of awesome games on us. I guess you could criticize the lack of actual gameplay, but the trailers at least show in game stuff.
 

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Not only is there SW:TOR gameplay footage out there, there's a fuckton of SW:TOR gameplay footage out there. In 2009 already BioWare released a 20 minute walkthrough through the game showing off Bounty Hunter, Smuggler and Sith Warrior gameplay, an instanced fight, outdoor combat, the dialogue system, heck almost everything except PvP. Here's part 1 of it, goes all the way through to 4:
Enjoy.
And since then there has been even more footage released, like showing off the Sith Inquisitor a bit and the Republic Trooper. Just a quick Youtube search reveals that.


Neither is AC2: Brotherhood completely multi-player, as was also reported for quite some time already. They even showed it on this E3:
Really Shamus, I can only say 1 thing about this little article:
 

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After several years self-defensive posturing from PS3 fans about how hardcore and powerful their system is, we've got Sackboy, ModNation Racers, Joe Danger, and a Wiimote with a ping-pong ball on the end. After defending their platform as the choice for real men, Sony has showed up to the party dressed in drag.

I approve.

But no bashing on the 3D stuff coming out?
 

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Dorkmaster Flek said:
Not G. Ivingname said:
Odd, you didn't take one jab at the 3DS, games going to be on Nintendo consoles, or anything related to Nintendo. You leaving stuff for Yahtzee or do you have no problem with anything they have done?
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't have any problem with Nintendo. The 3DS is capitalizing on the 3D gimmick, yes, but it doesn't require those stupid glasses. Other than that, they pretty much just unloaded a ton of awesome games on us. I guess you could criticize the lack of actual gameplay, but the trailers at least show in game stuff.
What has the 3DS actually got to offer though? MGS3, which we've played, Zelda, which we've played, Star Fox 64, which we've played. Or is that the point of it? A handheld console to play things you probably already own, or have owned, at some point in your life on the move? Kid Icarus is the only thing I've heard is a new game and not a remake. Besides the games, it's just ripped the analogue stick from a PSP and the motion from an iPhone and crammed them onto the DS design.
 

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Even so, I get the feeling that they're figuring everything out as they're going along.
It's Bioware; something tells me they've got a tad more knowledge on how to go about things.

AND I've seen plenty of TOR gameplay videos - there was combat gameplay on the front page of x-play from this year's E3. AND they gave footage at last year's E3 too, AND there's been general footage of the classes and gameplay in-between the two events.

Also:

"Ubi Marketbot: You know, people really, really hated our DRM system that made them log in and play their single-player game online.

Ubi Exec: Oh? Maybe they were pirates.

Ubi Marketbot: No, I mean people who bought the game. They don't want to go online for single-player. Maybe we should change that?

Ubi Exec: Good idea. Make the whole game multiplayer."

The whole game's not mutliplayer at all, but this did still bring a smile to my face.

Even so, it feels like you've missed a bit of basic research on those 2 points.
 

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Jesus. Apparently it's a cardinal sin to criticize Bioware. Personally I'm sick of the company, as they seem to be a one-trick pony. Sure, plenty of other companies produce just one genre of game, but all of Bioware's RPG's have the same selling points and flaws: Great writing and "role playing," but ultimately uninspired and bland gameplay.
 

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Woodsey said:
Hat Man said:
Even so, I get the feeling that they're figuring everything out as they're going along.
It's Bioware; something tells me they've got a tad more knowledge on how to go about things.
Bioware is quick to point out that they have no experience with MMOs. They're probably experimenting with different concepts, seeing what does and doesn't work.
 

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Hat Man said:
Woodsey said:
Hat Man said:
Even so, I get the feeling that they're figuring everything out as they're going along.
It's Bioware; something tells me they've got a tad more knowledge on how to go about things.
Bioware is quick to point out that they have no experience with MMOs. They're probably experimenting with different concepts, seeing what does and doesn't work.
Yeah, but that happens in any game development. The unique features they're advertising though are things they've already been doing for years in singleplayer RPGs.
 

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wow, even shamus doesn't have anything to say about nintendo's press conference of "hai gaiz heres everything you wanted; lets not mention the casual bullshit, cause your not here for that; oh and here try out the 3DS it actually works." in an interesting turn of events, the nintendo press conference was the only one that didn't make me depressed.
 

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KOTOR....awesome.

Though it bugs the mods when I only write that much...so...hah!

Here's hoping (though apparently that is exactly what I am NOT supposed to do)
 

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I don't understand why Sony and Microsoft are getting in to motion controls, I think the market would have pretty much panned out by now. With all the core gamers staying away from motion controls, and everyone else already owning a Wii.

Unless they can somehow turn the core crowd back on to motion gaming I can only assume that both peripherals will flop.
 

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Great read as always.

X-Com... 50 style game based around alien invasion? Sounds familiar. I can't wait for the obligatory zapper and gravity gun.

I also choked reading that Ubisoft bit. Teach me to try and drink and read.

Shamus Young said:
After defending their platform as the choice for real men, Sony has showed up to the party dressed in drag.
Sony always came off as the type of bad wife in the marriage. Sure starting out everything was great, a little more expensive than some other floozy consoles, but still an enjoyable time. But now the honeymoon has passed and Sony is revealed to be more nagging that originally expected. First she starts taking away some of your old hobbies, then the predictable weight crisis, and now the rampant jealousy and impersonation of someone she thought she saw you gawk at.
 

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It's invigorating to see how many sequels are being hyped as opposed to original games.

I'm with Shamus on the motion controls. I'm not against them, but they definitely have a time and a place. Playing Resident Evil on the DS with an added first person Knife Fight Mode just to utilize the stylus was a real motivation killer.

I just beat DAO and thought the world of Bioware. I considered getting Mass Effect, but rationalized that I don't like outer-space much. So I was skeptical when I saw these articles about their claims for the new Star Wars MMO. Then I beat DAO-A, and realized that in the end they're a company and have to make money. Releasing [unnecessary] sequels that don't stack up, or making claims about an MMO that's failed once already (Star Wars Galaxies) are part of the business.

Maybe it's just me, but has there EVER been a good star wars video game? I guess the "Super -fill in the title-" games were solid, back on the SNES, but since then I've been 100% content in hindsight to steer clear of any Star Wars game.
 

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i think that if X-COM would be remade in the same style as the original people would cry "rehash!" and whine about how the industry is DEEEEAAAAAD.

Seriously, i'm looking forward to X-COM.
 

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The main game I was hyped about for E3 (and am even more so now) was Portal 2, good luck trying to kill my excitement for that. =D
 

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Shamus Young said:
I don't think ANYONE was excited about X-COM at this point... At least not anyone who was excited based on the premise of being X-COM and has enough contact with the media to read websites. This new game seems as related to X-COM as Alpha Protocol would to a new Hitman... It has guns, you shoot things, that's it. As you pointed out, they didn't even get the guns right. It might be a good game by itself, but as an X-COM game, I don't see how it could be anything other than a monumental failure.

Shamus Young said:
Everyone already pointed out that there are gameplay videos, BUT, I will agree to one thing: their presence on E3 was weaksauce. Why go to E3 just to show meaningless cinematics? It does seem like a cover up for something that didn't go quite according to plan. That's almost always the case when the previews are entirely cinematics. I'm a bit skeptical about TOR myself, but let's see how it goes.

Shamus Young said:
Motion Controls
I'm going to partially disagree with you. As it stands right now, motion controllers are nothing but a gimmick. If anything, Kinect has some potential to be something else, but I don't see it... Motion controls without physical feedback... are just... weird and unimmersive. The Wii has been out for 4 years now and has yet to make a single decent use of it in my book.

It was a worthy experiment that simply failed.


RobfromtheGulag said:
Maybe it's just me, but has there EVER been a good star wars video game?
Knights of the Old Republic and Jedi Knight series.
 

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RobfromtheGulag said:
It's invigorating to see how many sequels are being hyped as opposed to original games.

I'm with Shamus on the motion controls. I'm not against them, but they definitely have a time and a place. Playing Resident Evil on the DS with an added first person Knife Fight Mode just to utilize the stylus was a real motivation killer.

I just beat DAO and thought the world of Bioware. I considered getting Mass Effect, but rationalized that I don't like outer-space much. So I was skeptical when I saw these articles about their claims for the new Star Wars MMO. Then I beat DAO-A, and realized that in the end they're a company and have to make money. Releasing [unnecessary] sequels that don't stack up, or making claims about an MMO that's failed once already (Star Wars Galaxies) are part of the business.

Maybe it's just me, but has there EVER been a good star wars video game? I guess the "Super -fill in the title-" games were solid, back on the SNES, but since then I've been 100% content in hindsight to steer clear of any Star Wars game.
Dark Forces comes to mind. I mean, granted it's one of the earliest Doom clones, but, it still held up. Jedi Knight is a drifting maybe, and so is Empire at War.

From what little I know of it, SWG tried (and failed) to do something different at least. What little I've seen of ToR only appealed to me in the basest "you can haz lightsaber" kind of way. Beyond that it struck me as every other MMO that tries to replicate WoW's popularity.