HEY THANKS, BUDDY.gmaverick019 said:
And I'm not the one who started it.
This [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.374462-EA-Blames-Filthy-Casuals-For-Falling-Old-Republic-Subscriber-Numbers#14508767] is the one that started it.
EA Blames Casuals For Falling Old Republic Subscriber Numbers
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And I'm not the one who started it.
This [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.374462-EA-Blames-Filthy-Casuals-For-Falling-Old-Republic-Subscriber-Numbers#14508767] is the one that started it.
I am a hardcore gamer, maybe a terrible one but just by sheer ammount and kind of titles that i play there is no way to avoid being hardcore and somewhat good at it. Played their game, saw the lack of content, of gameplay, of PvP design, of challenge...Grey Carter said:
I really wanted to play more than a month, but there was absolutely no motivation to keep me going. It is a nice MMO, one that messure up well against an 8 year old MMO having a couple of things done better than vanilla launch WoW and a couple worse, but being a 2011 MMO? Seems like crap, even Rift seemed to have better grasp of the MMO mechanics.
Ohh well, to wait till that beta of the secret world opens up or we get another GW 2 weekend. Might even try Tera if i grow bored.
Anyway, this is the thing that makes me say ToR is a nice game but a shit MMO: If it was done as a single player continuation of the previous ones, adding a party of 3 bots for flashpoints, what of value would be lost?
+ 1 rep with me Carter, I have seen a lot of WoW players that are non-gamers. Great insightGrey Carter said:
And you know what? Most of the time those guys were there for social reasons, trying to focus on the multiplayer part of your MMO seems to be more important than on doing a good albeit short single player campaing.
In the case of Medal of Honor, it's a proper noun (based, obviously off the American commendation by the same name). Thus it retains the Americanised spelling rather than the proper Queen's English None-U-Hating Original Flavour. See? [http://newbreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/medal-of-honor-box-art.jpg]Beautiful End said:
Going by the previous thread on this subject, TOR suffers from a lack of endgame content ("less than vanilla WoW"). Surely it'd make more sense if it were the 'hardcore' gamers who were leaving out of boredom with the game, while 'casuals' were still chugging along steadily to level cap?
Edit: And as for WoW's appeal to 'casuals', I think it worth noting that Mists of Pandaria is adding a pet battle system (essentially Pokémon) and a farming faction (likely targetted towards Farmville audiences) - along with the standar fare of new PvP gear, new talents, a new race, a new class, a new continent, world bosses, raid bosses...
Yeah, you get the picture. Not trying to fellate it here (though I'm sure it comes off that way), just trying to point out that Blizzard have no issue with embracing the more casual players and offering familiar, casual-friendly mechanics even to those who perhaps don't enjoy the WoW PvP/PvE/RP scene.
I think the nickname I heard of "TORtanic" is infinitely appropriate here.
Watching this is kind of like the Titanic, but with huge denial issues. Captain EA is standing on the bridge going "Yep, everything is A-Ok! No problems in sight!" while First Mate Bioware nods and agrees and tells anyone who disagrees with them that they "just don't understand" and should accept it as fine.
Meanwhile there is a gaping hole in the side of the ship and 400,000 passengers have already thrown themselves overboard and are swimming away.
Watching this is kind of like the Titanic, but with huge denial issues. Captain EA is standing on the bridge going "Yep, everything is A-Ok! No problems in sight!" while First Mate Bioware nods and agrees and tells anyone who disagrees with them that they "just don't understand" and should accept it as fine.
Meanwhile there is a gaping hole in the side of the ship and 400,000 passengers have already thrown themselves overboard and are swimming away.
Yeah, that was my question. I was wondering if the cover art read "Medal of Honour" in England. But I guess it doesn't. So yeah, I'd say in this instance, it is "Medal of Honor". The word Honor/Honour itself is a difference story.Amnestic said:
Staying off topic ftw! *Stops that*
SWTOR has lost much more than 400k subs. If you look at this from a realistic point of view, you'll see where I'm going.
BW/EA claims that they sold well over 2million copies of the game therefore the game had at least 2 million free months subs. In In early 2012 they reported that they had 1,7million active accounts. That mean at that point they already lost about 500k player.
Now after this statement the game kept selling (probably not as good as in the first few weeks but still. Let's say they have sold 400k copies since the announcement of the 1,7million subs. That would mean that they either lost a lot of the old customers that bought the game in december or january or that many of the people that bought the game later on left the game pretty quickly.
Anyway I'd rather say the game lost way more than just 400k players, but they aren't counting the people that bought the game and left it right afterwards. I think they lost about 800k customers.
Btw. I left the game, but I don't really consider myself as casual.
BW/EA claims that they sold well over 2million copies of the game therefore the game had at least 2 million free months subs. In In early 2012 they reported that they had 1,7million active accounts. That mean at that point they already lost about 500k player.
Now after this statement the game kept selling (probably not as good as in the first few weeks but still. Let's say they have sold 400k copies since the announcement of the 1,7million subs. That would mean that they either lost a lot of the old customers that bought the game in december or january or that many of the people that bought the game later on left the game pretty quickly.
Anyway I'd rather say the game lost way more than just 400k players, but they aren't counting the people that bought the game and left it right afterwards. I think they lost about 800k customers.
Btw. I left the game, but I don't really consider myself as casual.
I guess there I'd take issue with calling anyone who throws down the money to play World of Warcraft a "non-gamer", aside from the extreme example of people who have never owned a console or installed a game on their PC trying it out for the first time. By the time they've played a month or three, if they've put any time into it at all they already qualify for the gamer tag in my book. A matter of personal definitions, I suppose.Grey Carter said:
I'm still not sure that WoW has anything innately more appealing than the other MMOs on the market that aren't attributed to it's long history or sheer numbers of players. Granted those count for a lot, including the refinement of the hotkey combat, the reams of lore to draw on for storylines, the numerous alternative progression paths (fishing, archeology, PVP, legendaries, seasonal events, etc) and the invaluable experience in designing interesting raid encounters, knowing what people want in expansions, balancing classes, keeping their servers happy, rooting out bugs and so on.
So... I guess I'm asking where you think that ability lies. Because I'd argue it's not inherent in the questing, combat, storyline or initial fanbase. You play WoW because your friends play WoW, WoW lets you play with your friends, and WoW keeps expanding and improving enough to still be fun to play.
The casuals are leaving? The remaining people not as many as you had hoped? Maybe you shouldn't have tried to ape a game that people are already tired of, then. People have been saying for a while now, but if you make a game that can be described as "like World of Warcraft, but," then you are not going to be able to hold many subscribers beyond the first couple of months, after which a lot of people are just going to go back to the game they've already invested years into.
Hell, even a proper space combat game would have been enough to keep me on board. Instead we got a substandard Starfox clone.
Hell, even a proper space combat game would have been enough to keep me on board. Instead we got a substandard Starfox clone.
this is the same captivating environment that star wars galaxies managed to completely bomb to death, right? the one that couldn't save the game after the long series of bad decisions
just making sure it's the same thing that you're claiming is the core to your success, that's all
just making sure it's the same thing that you're claiming is the core to your success, that's all
Hrrm...
February to May...
I'm thinking ME3 might have had something to do with this.
No, I'm not saying its responsible for it all. TOR has its own problems that are bringing it down. However, I know a number of people who instantly quit TOR after the ME3 fiasco, as they were only really playing it to support Bioware anyway, and no longer wanted to do so, whilst others were just that disgusted by Bioware's attitude that they couldn't enjoy the game any more.
Now, how long till it goes FTP? I know there are bets on this, but has anyone decided to change their answer?
February to May...
I'm thinking ME3 might have had something to do with this.
No, I'm not saying its responsible for it all. TOR has its own problems that are bringing it down. However, I know a number of people who instantly quit TOR after the ME3 fiasco, as they were only really playing it to support Bioware anyway, and no longer wanted to do so, whilst others were just that disgusted by Bioware's attitude that they couldn't enjoy the game any more.
Now, how long till it goes FTP? I know there are bets on this, but has anyone decided to change their answer?
people stopped because it was feeling like a sp experience. and after that, people were done with it like most sp games. it was a fun game, but there was not enough to do to keep it playing.
What exactly do you extrapolate the word "filthy" from? And where did you get the "blaming" part? Escapist "journalism" at it's finest, making fun of others not doing their job right while they don't even grasp the definition of your own.
And he's right (imo) about the appeal of Star Wars versus other fantasy settings, it's just that it's not enough to retain them a userbase thanks to the way the game is designed. The reason casuals don't stick around is because there's nothing to do in the game but raid or PvP once you get to max level, so that's no surprise really.
And he's right (imo) about the appeal of Star Wars versus other fantasy settings, it's just that it's not enough to retain them a userbase thanks to the way the game is designed. The reason casuals don't stick around is because there's nothing to do in the game but raid or PvP once you get to max level, so that's no surprise really.
Really, Greg? Really?Grey Carter said:
Come on. I know the Escapist has been diving head first into shock titles to get readers into the news articles lately, but that's just blatantly unprofessional. The really stupid straw that broke this camels back, mayhaps.
It's been getting worse and worse lately, the Escapist's attempts at journalism. You are right, too; they continually post inane articles and "news" that's little more than people bashing. A recent report consisted of the author going out of their way to repeatedly mock someone for their grammar, even.Vrach said:
It's just childish now.
Grey Carter said:
*wipes eyes after physically crying with laughter*
Mr. Riccitiello, when will you ever see this industry as something other than a way to make money?
The impression I'm getting from EA these days can be made into a metaphor: They're like someone inviting you out to go fishing, but forget to mention the fish they're trying to catch is called "Wallet" and "money" - but don't worry, it's fishing! We're all gonna' have fun anyway!
Wait wait. This was the straw that broke the camels back and not the one where Carter called someone a homophobe in another article with absolutely no proof that it was true? This then lead to so many people comin into the article with lines like "At first I felt bad for him, but then I read he was a homophobe and think he deserved it."Grey Day for Elcia said:
You have weird standards for what is too much.