EA To Nintendo: Wii'll Come Back If U Sell More Boxes

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EA To Nintendo: Wii'll Come Back If U Sell More Boxes



"We're a rational company," says EA, "we go where the audience is."

"The only thing they can do to fix it is to sell more boxes," says EA's Frank Gibeau, on the current dismal fate of Nintendo's Wii U. "We publish games where we think we can make a great game and hit a big audience, and make money," he added. "That's why we're here, that's why we have an industry." But until Nintendo moves more units, EA isn't about to throw good money after bad. It's already shipped four titles - Madden, FIFA, Need For Speed and Mass Effect - but those titles just aren't selling, because the Wii U itself hasn't sold enough boxes.

Nintendo seems to be willing to do what it takes to win EA back. "EA is a great partner of ours, they've had games on our platforms before," says Nintendo of America's Charlie Scibetta, who feels confident that, once the console's library grows, the Wii U will be a more attractive platform for publishers. "Once some of these games come out that we have planned between now and the holiday and into 2014," Scibetta went on to say, "it will help drive the install base." Presumably until EA sees concrete numbers, it will hold back on Wii U development.

Certainly Nintendo had a pretty decent E3, even title announcements [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/125049-Nintendo-May-Return-for-Future-E3-Press-Conferences]. There's no telling what the future may hold for Nintendo's console; EA may see the boxes sell yet.

Source: MCV [http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/ea-will-return-to-wii-u-if-nintendo-can-sell-more-boxes/0117253]


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Or maybe nobody wanted a madden, Fifa need for speed or mass effect port on the wiiU.... Could that be why they failed to sell?
Games sell consoles, not the other way around.
 

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They will be fine once a new Zelda comes out. All the fanboys will pick it up and Nintendo will continue trucking along in 3rd place.
 

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I find it funny that EA has greater faith in Microsoft to sell more consoles than Nintendo when (A): Nintendo has already sold Wii U systems and (B): Microsoft has been having a horrific PR nightmare with the Xbox One. I understand that EA may not be able to take back its promises at this point, but EA continuing to insist that they 100% back Microsoft seem insane.
 

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Perhaps you could just work on some titles with budgets that take the smaller user base into consideration?
 

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EA is certainly playing an interesting game atm.
First they denounce the WiiU, then they state that they'd like a balance between Sony and MS and then say they might come to WiiU after all.

I think they're really just trying to grab the best deals everywhere they can get and play them off as best as they can.
 

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Karloff said:
EA To Nintendo: Wii'll Come Back If U Sell More Boxes

It's already shipped four titles - Madden, FIFA, Need For Speed and Mass Effect - but those titles just aren't selling, because the Wii U itself hasn't sold enough boxes.
Or those particular games aren't selling because they target a different audience demographic. Let's be honest here - the Wii-U is much more of a family orientated console and many people buying games for it are looking for family friendly games that they can play together in the living room with their kids. None of those games meet that criteria - even Need for Speed has no local multiplayer option as I understand (havn't played it) as such those games are going to fall to the bottom of the list of games that families want to buy.
 

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EA can stuff it.

At this point you should be the ones begging Nintendo to take you back. After your twitter tantrum, and outright lies about what the system can and cannot do, Nintendo is certainly not in the position to beg for YOU to come back. Especially how you guys were going all buddy buddy to the now hated Xbone.
 

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I really can't imagine why ME3 as the last part of a trilogy wouldn't sell on a plattform on which the first two parts aren't available.
 

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http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2012/10/fifa-13-wii/

Oh no, whatever shall Nintendo do!!!
Sorry that I don't mourn due to the fact that you try and sell the same software as a new title.
 
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I think the secret here is going to be an incredible exclusive or three. Along the lines of Resident Evil 4 on the Gamecube (before it "crossed" over, it was a GC exclusive for years). A mind-blowingly awesome, genre defining game exclusively on the WiiU. And not some bullshit "lift the controller up to look through the screen" or "flap your arms about Star Wars". No, I mean an actual good game. A new Street Fighter, a driving game to match GT/Forza, something.

The other problem the Wii U has is that it's more powerful than the other two and worse, has a different architecture than its future next gen counterparts. Currently, it's the most powerful console but any games that make use of its power will not work on 360/PS3. So people make PS3/360 games and may or may not port them across....this is the story I as a PC gamer have had to live with for some years now (getting 360/PS3 sloppy seconds). And next gen will be worse, as it'll be lower-spec than the XB3/PS4 AND have PowerPC processor, not X86 like the other two, making porting games much more work.

It could be the current model is really dying. As Yahtzee described in a recentish video, all one is really picking between when choosing a console, is whose walled garden you'll play in and which exclusives you get. There is nothing else to choose between them. As long as MS, Sony and Nintendo customers cannot interact or play with each other, the current model will persist and big publishers will continue incrementing numbers on CoD/WoW clones.
 

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Yea, EA is in no position to make terms, but we've got to be honest here, not many people have WiiU in the first place. In fact, 60% more Vitas have been sold than WiiU. You heard me, Vitas. My source is VGChartz, but if anyone has conflicting that data (5M vs 3M console units) then I'm all ears
 

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So, this is what I was talking about on another thread. Despite doing worse than expected, the WiiU is currently on track to outsell the 360 (Wii sold 3.5 million consoles, in the same period the 360 sold 3.2m). There is no reason at this point not to expect the WiiU to be the best selling console of this generation. I can see hedging bets in case PS4 or XBone do better than expected, but dissing WiiU's sales doesn't make a lot of sense, unless you're simply uninterested in markets outside the US (US sales are abysmal).

Nor does it make sense to complain that games that *already* sold a shitload of copies before being ported to the WiiU failed. Of course nobody bought ME3, not only does ME3 rely on having the first two games on the same console, everybody who wants the game *already has it*.
 

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What was that old phrase? "If you build it, they will come." If you make a great game, people will buy the console for that game. It isn't that difficult of a concept, EA.
 

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Norrdicus said:
Yea, EA is in no position to make terms, but we've got to be honest here, not many people have WiiU in the first place. In fact, 60% more Vitas have been sold than WiiU. You heard me, Vitas. My source is VGChartz, but if anyone has conflicting that data (5M vs 3M console units) then I'm all ears
it takes time to sell consoles, and the Vita came out a year earlier. If you look at the similar time period the Vita sold 2.2m from December 2011-June2012, the WiiU sold 3.5m from November 2012-March 2013.
 

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Ronack said:
How bout you go to the console and help to attract audience's ...?
My thoughts exactly. A platform only sells as well as the games on it. Imagine if Dead Space 3 had been on the Wii-U with the gamepad serving as a second screen for same-console co-op and around the house play? That would be fantastic! Hell, even SimCity could work with the Gamepad.
 

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rofltehcat said:
EA is certainly playing an interesting game atm.
First they denounce the WiiU, then they state that they'd like a balance between Sony and MS and then say they might come to WiiU after all.

I think they're really just trying to grab the best deals everywhere they can get and play them off as best as they can.
More like they see the writing on the wall, really.

Their plan was to denounce the Wii U and move into a big partnership with Microsoft, who would support their hefty DRM measures. But then the Xbone reveal conference bombed out. The E3 conferences only made Xbone's troubles worse, too. So now EA's reaching out to whoever they can, because they've realized that if the DRMBox doesn't sell enough units, their big strategy has fallen apart.

That's why they're suddenly talking about how Sony/Microsoft's competition is good for business, and how they'd be willing to come back to the Wii U if it sells better.

A pity that Nintendo doesn't develop games of the same sort as EA, or they could tell EA to shove it.
 

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Ronack said:
How bout you go to the console and help to attract audience's ...?
They are helping attract an audience, they said they aren't making games for it!
 

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Oh EA you funny people. You said the same about the dreamcast as you plunged the knife in segas back. You think you smell blood in the water EA? Perhaps your right and it's mostly yours.
 

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Adam.
If you write another title like that, I will go to you're house and stick a Wii up your ass. No, not the remote. The whole system.
Seriously. It was painful. I know what I said was extreme, but still.
 

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tlgAlaska said:
I really can't imagine why ME3 as the last part of a trilogy wouldn't sell on a plattform on which the first two parts aren't available.

Add to that the fact that even before the WiiU release, EA announced the ME Trillogy pack with several DLC for $60 on the PS3, while the WiiU version of only ME3 was $50.
So even if anyone was interested, they would have gotten the fucking trilogy instead of that one games.
The fact that the port was made by an inexperienced team and that even before the release there were news of how the game has FPS drop issues... yeah... I just wonder why the game didn't sell.
 

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I googled a couple "top wii games" lists and EA only had a couple titles, and none were exclusives. People buy the Wii because they like Nintendo games (Mario, Zelda, etc) not because of EA's massive game library. If I could scroll through the lists and say "wow EA really made bank of the Wii" thats one thing, but it doesnt really seem like thats the case. I wonder why the world's most hated game publisher is publicly attacking one of the world's most loved console companies. Nintendo is throughly divorced from the console wars so dragging them into MS and Sony's stink seems like a poor strategy.
 

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Karloff said:
It's already shipped four titles - Madden, FIFA, Need For Speed and Mass Effect - but those titles just aren't selling, because the Wii U itself hasn't sold enough boxes.
No, I don't think that's why. Every single one of these titles was available on the 360 (which people already have) first and is targeted at 360's demographics. The Wii U could have sold a hundred million units and these games still wouldn't do well on it. Make something that isn't a hasty port of a year-old game, and I guarantee it'll sell better.

I know you're afraid to ever take any risks, but try making a decent exclusive platformer. Wii U owners eat that stuff up; it's the reason they got a Wii U instead of a competing console full of AAA trash. Hell, if you don't wanna do anything too risky, give Wii U owners a version of your upcoming Plants Vs Zombies 2 and sell it on the eShop. It's ideal for the console, small enough in scope that the port shouldn't be too expensive to make, and not something that people have already been playing for a year (but only if you get on it quick).

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I feel like I'm going crazy, because what EA is saying makes sense to me. I'm not saying they are right necessarily. But here is something to consider. They make games that need to sell multiple millions of copies to be a success. That's poor budgeting, but that's how they do it. How are they supposed to sell, say, 3 million copies of a new game when there are only 3 and a half million consoles? The only way to do that is if either nearly everyone with a Wii U buys one, or people buy a Wii U to get the game. It seems like common sense to me that, after seeing where backing Microsoft based on hopes and prayers got them, they are willing to look at other options, but are going to wait for some concrete reason to do so.


As for them "changing their tune", that will happen when you get a new CEO, and time passes to show you a more successful route. Plus, come on. How many people on here, pre- and even partially post-launch were denouncing the Wii U as a total failure? And you are attacking EA for doing the same thing, then realizing later they were possibly in error?
 

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AldUK said:
They will be fine once a new Zelda comes out. All the fanboys will pick it up and Nintendo will continue trucking along in 3rd place.
You misspelled "Microsoft"
 

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thebobmaster said:
I feel like I'm going crazy, because what EA is saying makes sense to me. I'm not saying they are right necessarily. But here is something to consider. They make games that need to sell multiple millions of copies to be a success. That's poor budgeting, but that's how they do it. How are they supposed to sell, say, 3 million copies of a new game when there are only 3 and a half million consoles? The only way to do that is if either nearly everyone with a Wii U buys one, or people buy a Wii U to get the game. It seems like common sense to me that, after seeing where backing Microsoft based on hopes and prayers got them, they are willing to look at other options, but are going to wait for some concrete reason to do so.


As for them "changing their tune", that will happen when you get a new CEO, and time passes to show you a more successful route. Plus, come on. How many people on here, pre- and even partially post-launch were denouncing the Wii U as a total failure? And you are attacking EA for doing the same thing, then realizing later they were possibly in error?
You're explanation for what they're saying makes sense. However, it's basically saying that EA's management is idiotic in more words, because that attitude is going to run into significant problems after Christmas this year.

Yeah, EA's gotten used to an install base of multiple millions on all platforms, but with the advent of the next gen consoles, that attitude is going to have to change extremely quickly, or they'll be saying the same thing about all of them. When you compare similar time frames from launch, the Wii U has sold more consoles than any other platform out there with the singular exception of the Wii. And when the PS4 and Xbone are finally released, I expect that fact won't change, because both of them are priced higher than the U was at launch.
 
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Kwil said:
thebobmaster said:
I feel like I'm going crazy, because what EA is saying makes sense to me. I'm not saying they are right necessarily. But here is something to consider. They make games that need to sell multiple millions of copies to be a success. That's poor budgeting, but that's how they do it. How are they supposed to sell, say, 3 million copies of a new game when there are only 3 and a half million consoles? The only way to do that is if either nearly everyone with a Wii U buys one, or people buy a Wii U to get the game. It seems like common sense to me that, after seeing where backing Microsoft based on hopes and prayers got them, they are willing to look at other options, but are going to wait for some concrete reason to do so.


As for them "changing their tune", that will happen when you get a new CEO, and time passes to show you a more successful route. Plus, come on. How many people on here, pre- and even partially post-launch were denouncing the Wii U as a total failure? And you are attacking EA for doing the same thing, then realizing later they were possibly in error?
You're explanation for what they're saying makes sense. However, it's basically saying that EA's management is idiotic in more words, because that attitude is going to run into significant problems after Christmas this year.

Yeah, EA's gotten used to an install base of multiple millions on all platforms, but with the advent of the next gen consoles, that attitude is going to have to change extremely quickly, or they'll be saying the same thing about all of them. When you compare similar time frames from launch, the Wii U has sold more consoles than any other platform out there with the singular exception of the Wii. And when the PS4 and Xbone are finally released, I expect that fact won't change, because both of them are priced higher than the U was at launch.
I agree that EA is not looking at the long term, and needs to change their business projections. Readjusting goals and aims takes time, though. Do I think EA will succeed until they do? No. I think they are idiots for having game budgets so high selling millions of copies is required to turn a profit. Until they change their business model, though, it seems to be reasonable to take a "wait and see" approach, after doing otherwise with the Xbomb bit them in the ass.
 

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"We ported 4 games to a system that are old enough that their entire target demographic already owns them and isn't going to buy a new console to play the same game again."

I'd say something about new and original, but EA so yeah, why waste more time.
 

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"We ported 4 games to a system that are old enough that their entire target demographic already owns them and isn't going to buy a new console to play the same game again."

I'd say something about new and original, but EA so yeah, why waste more time.
That and said ports were also completely half-assed in one form or another. It's almost like EA INTENTIONALLY sabotaged that lineup just so they had an excuse to cut off Wii U support, though now with MS being under fire they're going to have to switch their attitudes fast.

And once again Nintendo proves if you want to get a job done you have to do it yourself. 3rd parties apparently can't be trusted to do their jobs properly
 

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rofltehcat said:
EA is certainly playing an interesting game atm.
First they denounce the WiiU, then they state that they'd like a balance between Sony and MS and then say they might come to WiiU after all.

I think they're really just trying to grab the best deals everywhere they can get and play them off as best as they can.
The publishers are playing a fucking insane game with Nintendo.

They whine like crazy that they can't sell games on it because of first party stuff outshining them.

So Nintendo doesn't bring it's first party stuff for 9 months.

So they don't release games for the Wii U because it hasn't sold enough units?

Seems legit. It'd help if EA wasn't hellbent on doing things backwards, they released Mass Effect 3 on Wii U the same day as the trilogy for less on every other format. What did they think was going to happen?
 

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Ronack said:
How bout you go to the console and help to attract audience's ...?
Beacuse let's be honest, EA games don't sell consoles. Nintendo's first party games always sell Nintendo consoles. There's not much EA can do and I find it sad that Nintendo fans are blaming EA for not making games for the console with such low sales.


Its a business.

Its just as a silly to get mad at Ubisoft for making Rayman Legends a multiplatform title. Rayman Origins sold the least on the Wii, making Legends and exclusive would have been a huge mistake.

Again, its business.

It's not EA's obligation to make games for the Wii U to sell it. Nintendo made the console, Nintendo should be responsible for moving its units. Releasing the Wii U with no major 1st party games was a very damaging idea. The Wii U can't hold on to JUST Super Mario 3D World alone for the holiday season. And the new Smash Bros comes out next spring so we can forget about that for the holidays.

The Wii U is going to need more than Mario, Pikmin and The Wonderful 101 (so basically Mario and 2 niche titles) to sell units.

The Wii actually had a stellar first year with it releases. Seems like the Wii U was put out a year earlier than expected to make up for Nintendo's recent losses.....
 

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Dragonbums said:
EA can stuff it.

At this point you should be the ones begging Nintendo to take you back. After your twitter tantrum, and outright lies about what the system can and cannot do, Nintendo is certainly not in the position to beg for YOU to come back. Especially how you guys were going all buddy buddy to the now hated Xbone.
I don't think you read the article.

Unless EA is totally suicidal, going on the Nintendo Wii U is a failed venture already.

On the other hand, Nintendo needs to sell some consoles, and having wildly popular AAA games would do that.

So no, EA has the upper hand here.
 

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what a fascinating turn of events. since its release, people on this site have shit all over the wii u. now that theres a new console to hate, people are suddenly jumping to the defense of nintendo
 

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And here's what is going to happen once first party games start coming out and moving units:

"Oh, it isn't fair that we have to compete with Nintendo games on Nintendo systems. That's why we aren't putting our games on the WiiU now."
 

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SkarKrow said:
rofltehcat said:
EA is certainly playing an interesting game atm.
First they denounce the WiiU, then they state that they'd like a balance between Sony and MS and then say they might come to WiiU after all.

I think they're really just trying to grab the best deals everywhere they can get and play them off as best as they can.
The publishers are playing a fucking insane game with Nintendo.

They whine like crazy that they can't sell games on it because of first party stuff outshining them.

So Nintendo doesn't bring it's first party stuff for 9 months.

So they don't release games for the Wii U because it hasn't sold enough units?

Seems legit. It'd help if EA wasn't hellbent on doing things backwards, they released Mass Effect 3 on Wii U the same day as the trilogy for less on every other format. What did they think was going to happen?
The publishers have a reason to be wary of how Nintendo does things. The Wii is the perfect example.

It wasn't because Nintendo's 1st party games were "outshining" the 3rd party. It was Nintendo's rigorous family orientated marketing that killed the chances for a lot of 3rd party games to do well. Capcom's Zack and Wiki would not have failed had there not been the notion that the Wii was the console that your child and grandfather could play together.

Games like MadWorld (even with the rampant TV and internet ads) failed due to the Wii's image as the console that mummy and daddy can play with their kids. Kind of hard to sell a game where you constantly kill people in a grindhouse film fashion on that kind of console don't you think?

Tatsunoko VS Capcom sold even world that the 2 above and it was a fighting game. But it was a much more competitive fighting game than Smash Bros and such, so on the Wii it was even more niche than fighting games typically are.

Meanwhile Nintendo markets their first party games and pushed a philosophy onto the Wii. That philosophy hurt some publishers.

SO I can't say I can blame the publishers for being a little pissed here. They couldn't sell well on the console that sold the most. And the "they should make better games" argument fails when we see these same publishers and developers making games on the consoles that sold half as well and selling miles better. Something doesn't make senses. It's either something Nintendo's doing or the publishers are making bad games on only Nintendo's console, and the latter isn't as likely.

Nintendo not making 1st party games for the WiiU's first year only shot themselves in the foot. Turns out Nintendo fans wait for the releases before spending hundreds on a console. Who knew?

And at any rate, Mass Effect 3 would not have benefited too much from being released on the WiiU at the same time as the other platforms. The lack of being able to access your previous character would have made sure of that. It worked for the PS3's Mass Effect 2 because A) it was a game that PS3 fans wanted badly, and B) having to choose the choices for 1 previous title with a sequel coming vs. choosing choices for 2 previous titles isn't so bad.


Like I said before on this forum. It's Nintendo's responsibility to sell its console, not EA's, Capcom's or Ubisoft's. And if Nintendo fans want to see better games from the aforementioned companies, then don't ignore their games when they get released like you did on the Wii.

Zack and Wiki was an ignored gem that was passed over by GAMERS. Capcom tried with that one.
 

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lacktheknack said:
Dragonbums said:
EA can stuff it.

At this point you should be the ones begging Nintendo to take you back. After your twitter tantrum, and outright lies about what the system can and cannot do, Nintendo is certainly not in the position to beg for YOU to come back. Especially how you guys were going all buddy buddy to the now hated Xbone.
I don't think you read the article.

Unless EA is totally suicidal, going on the Nintendo Wii U is a failed venture already.

On the other hand, Nintendo needs to sell some consoles, and having wildly popular AAA games would do that.

So no, EA has the upper hand here.
EA is suicidal. They've been pulling shit throughout the entire year that would've sunk another company in weeks. It's an 8th wonder why they haven't shut down yet. (And based on their stocks if they don't switch it up it will happen very soon.) I definitely read the article. However if you've been following the relationship with Nintendo and EA you would see that this isn't some third party dev jumping ship.

They have actively acted like asshats towards Nintendo. Waving their dicks in their face and throwing fits when they don't get their way.
Most people believe that EA broke off with Nintendo because before release EA wanted Origin to run the WiiU's online servers. Nintendo wising up to the what Origin really was told them to fuck off.
After that many games that were promised to be on the WiiU never showed up. On top of that multiple devs started having "Twitter tantrums" by saying lies like the system not being able to handle the Crysis engine despite the fact that before release the creator of the engine himself stated otherwise(and has not retracted that statement at all) and EA themselves said before release it could handle that engine. They also said that the WiiU was complete garbage. Which is funny, seeing as how EA is notorious for making in house games that are shit, or taking studios that used to do good work and making them produce shit games for a quick buck. They also got two golden shit awards, so I don't know when they thought they had the privilage to talk.
Shortly after they said that there were still a few games under development for the WiiU.
AFTER THAT they then they jumped ship to the Xbone, however realizing that nobody like the Xbone and were not all that surprised EA would go buddy buddy with them, then said that Nintendo and them have a solid relationship.

Now they are saying that they will make games for the WiiU when the WiiU sells. I have a feeling this whole thing is kind of one sided.
Fine by me. Nintendo doesn't need a multi million shovel ware company on their console.
 

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Whilst I think the Wii U is utter junk myself, the reason EA's games aren't selling is because they are wrong type of games.

The Wii U's main audience is kids, mums and housewives.

Madden, FIFA, Need For Speed and Mass Effect are not for these audiences. The audiences for these games are primarily mid-teen males to full adult males. The majority of which use Playstaion, Xbox or PC as their primary gaming device, meaning even if they had a Wii U they would get the prettier version on their primary platform.

EA need to ship a game for the correct audience, then they will sell.
 

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And then Nintendo looked at EA, after carefully considering their past...


I now imagine that when EA dies, there's going to be a Margaret Thatcher-like celebration on forums and in game stores everywhere.
 

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AzrealMaximillion said:
Ronack said:
How bout you go to the console and help to attract audience's ...?
Beacuse let's be honest, EA games don't sell consoles. Nintendo's first party games always sell Nintendo consoles. There's not much EA can do and I find it sad that Nintendo fans are blaming EA for not making games for the console with such low sales.


Its a business.

Its just as a silly to get mad at Ubisoft for making Rayman Legends a multiplatform title. Rayman Origins sold the least on the Wii, making Legends and exclusive would have been a huge mistake.

Again, its business.

It's not EA's obligation to make games for the Wii U to sell it. Nintendo made the console, Nintendo should be responsible for moving its units. Releasing the Wii U with no major 1st party games was a very damaging idea. The Wii U can't hold on to JUST Super Mario 3D World alone for the holiday season. And the new Smash Bros comes out next spring so we can forget about that for the holidays.
Which is probably why they're also pushing Sonic Lost World and Donkey Kong as holiday releases as well.

Which is a consumer looking for a family console this Christmas going to find more appealing? A more expensive console with nowt but shooters? Or a cheaper console that also has games like Sonic, Mario and Donkey Kong, as well as already released games like NSMBU and Nintendo Land, as well as games that will be released at that point like Pikmin 3 and W101.

Nintendo's pushing out an exclusive a month from July up until December. You can't ask them to do anything more than that. Not when Sony or Microsoft have never even come close to having so many exclusives released in a six month period.

Mario Kart and Smash Bros will ensure the Wii U still has momentum next year, along with Bayonetta 2, X, and I'm guessing Yarn Yoshi. Nintendo are playing it smart by keeping big titles back for next year, rather than ejaculating prematurely with everything this holiday.
 

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"The only thing they can do to fix it is to sell more boxes," says EA's Frank Gibeau, on the current dismal fate of Nintendo's Wii U.
"sell more boxes"... "dismal fate". I see the 3DS and everything involving it has now been removed from everyone's memories. I didn't realize the internet has a neuralizeing effect.

It's already shipped four titles - Madden, FIFA, Need For Speed and Mass Effect - but those titles just aren't selling, because the Wii U itself hasn't sold enough boxes.
Maybe they aren't selling because of... ya know, the fact that no one, and I mean NO ONE buys a Nintendo Console to play Mass Effect!? Copypasta games aren't the selling point of a Nintendo console, they're the selling point of Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo can hold their own, as they've proven time and time again they simply don't need third parties very much. The wii was an amazing seller, but third party games still did terrible; it doesn't matter that the wii outsold the PS3 and 360 combined. Maybe Madden, FIFA, Need For Speed and Mass Effect aren't the games you should bring to a console who's owners paid good money exclusively to have pure, stupid fun? You want to sell games on a Nintendo console? Make games like Nintendo makes.
 

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I really can't imagine why ME3 as the last part of a trilogy wouldn't sell on a plattform on which the first two parts aren't available.
Yes... I mean, I own a Wii U, and I find mass effect 3 something I'd probably buy...

Except that I have mass effect 1 and 2 on PC... And I can't bring myself to get part 3 on a different system. Especially one that can't play parts one and two at all...

Seems like a really poorly thought out move.
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
You know Jeff(can I call you Jeff?), you are maybe starting to freak me out with the whole talk of about "which game is more popular for little kids", it might just be the puffin that I'm eating though. My trainer gives me the strangest things to eat.

OT. Yup, good ol' EA. Bastards of the industry, one second they are swinging their dicks at Nintendo and shouting stuff like "fucking nintendo and their dumb system, cant even handle our engines even though it is our job to optimize the shit" and then the next second they are saying "Yeah, our old friend ninty ain't getting shit from us unless they start selling the damn console.

I'm really, really starting to get pissed off with the way EA has been behaving these last 6 months. It's starting to get to the point of me having a hard time choosing which one to dislike more, Microsoft or EA by their behavior.
 

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Last generation this same sabotaging tactic was used with great effect on the Wii. Developers would make bad ports and crappy mini-game compilations rather than making original games for it, wouldn't market them, and then proceeded to blame Nintendo for their "poor sales." I'm really glad that this generation at least gamers have open eyes and realize that this sort of nonsense isn't really Nintendo's fault and that the devs are just lazy or spineless.
 

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So they released games that were already out for a while and are surprised that they don't get opening weekend numbers? Worst argument ever.
Were any Gamepad features included in these games?
 

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You know EA, you could just stay away from the Wii U. I don't mind, really. I don't mind missing out on Mirror's Edge 2 if it means getting rid of you. Next time you want to release a Trilogy on a console, release THE WHOLE Trilogy. I would of bought the Mass Effect collection for my Wii U, but it never came.
 

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Perhaps you could just work on some titles with budgets that take the smaller user base into consideration?
Nonsense, they can only release games with Call Of Duty sized budgets otherwise they wont sell like Call Of Duty, and EA being world class intellects make games unless they feel like it will sell as well as.... you guessed it, Dead Space 3, ughh i mean Call Of Duty
 

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SkarKrow said:
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EA is certainly playing an interesting game atm.
First they denounce the WiiU, then they state that they'd like a balance between Sony and MS and then say they might come to WiiU after all.

I think they're really just trying to grab the best deals everywhere they can get and play them off as best as they can.
The publishers are playing a fucking insane game with Nintendo.

They whine like crazy that they can't sell games on it because of first party stuff outshining them.

So Nintendo doesn't bring it's first party stuff for 9 months.

So they don't release games for the Wii U because it hasn't sold enough units?

Seems legit. It'd help if EA wasn't hellbent on doing things backwards, they released Mass Effect 3 on Wii U the same day as the trilogy for less on every other format. What did they think was going to happen?
The publishers have a reason to be wary of how Nintendo does things. The Wii is the perfect example.

It wasn't because Nintendo's 1st party games were "outshining" the 3rd party. It was Nintendo's rigorous family orientated marketing that killed the chances for a lot of 3rd party games to do well. Capcom's Zack and Wiki would not have failed had there not been the notion that the Wii was the console that your child and grandfather could play together.

Games like MadWorld (even with the rampant TV and internet ads) failed due to the Wii's image as the console that mummy and daddy can play with their kids. Kind of hard to sell a game where you constantly kill people in a grindhouse film fashion on that kind of console don't you think?

Tatsunoko VS Capcom sold even world that the 2 above and it was a fighting game. But it was a much more competitive fighting game than Smash Bros and such, so on the Wii it was even more niche than fighting games typically are.

Meanwhile Nintendo markets their first party games and pushed a philosophy onto the Wii. That philosophy hurt some publishers.

SO I can't say I can blame the publishers for being a little pissed here. They couldn't sell well on the console that sold the most. And the "they should make better games" argument fails when we see these same publishers and developers making games on the consoles that sold half as well and selling miles better. Something doesn't make senses. It's either something Nintendo's doing or the publishers are making bad games on only Nintendo's console, and the latter isn't as likely.

Nintendo not making 1st party games for the WiiU's first year only shot themselves in the foot. Turns out Nintendo fans wait for the releases before spending hundreds on a console. Who knew?

And at any rate, Mass Effect 3 would not have benefited too much from being released on the WiiU at the same time as the other platforms. The lack of being able to access your previous character would have made sure of that. It worked for the PS3's Mass Effect 2 because A) it was a game that PS3 fans wanted badly, and B) having to choose the choices for 1 previous title with a sequel coming vs. choosing choices for 2 previous titles isn't so bad.


Like I said before on this forum. It's Nintendo's responsibility to sell its console, not EA's, Capcom's or Ubisoft's. And if Nintendo fans want to see better games from the aforementioned companies, then don't ignore their games when they get released like you did on the Wii.

Zack and Wiki was an ignored gem that was passed over by GAMERS. Capcom tried with that one.
What you says make perfect sense, and I completely understand that point of view.

Now however in this gen it's clear that the trash has been cleared up and it's back to Nintendo's "I care about games" group.
Not Grandma and Pop playing hula hoops. It's been evident for a year now, and so far very few companies first off, have taken advantage of not being in direct competition with any of Nintendo's first party titles like Mario Kart, Mario Party, Zelda, and any other quality franchise, and secondly taking advantage of the fact that the WiiU is very uncluttered with junk.
A lot of people are excited for games like the Wonderful 101 and Bayonetta 2 because there is no shovel ware garbage clogging up the system, and those who have it are for the most part lovers of games.
Now Nintendo has open their gates wide open and are willing to put their money where their mouths are (especially with funding Bayonetta 2).

This is the same effect that happened to several games on other consoles. Viva Pinata for example should've been a hit! What happened? It was on the very wrong console. As much as we like to call Nintendo "for kids" let's be honest here. Are Microsoft and Sony really catering to the children crowd? Because I sure as hell was EXCITED for Viva Pinata as a kid and my first assumption was that it was on the Wii. I was very disappointed that it wasn't.
And also on that note, we shun Nintendo now because we don't like the perception that it IS a kids console.
So at the same time your saying it's not third party companies jobs to fund Nintendo products, which is true- however don't complain when the WiiU has no third party titles. Because they all shun Nintendo, you all agree to why they shun Nintendo, and nobody aside from Nintendo fans buy Nintendo products.

It's a two way street. You want Nintendo to cater to a more hard core crowd, then we have to buy a Nintendo product when we clearly see them trying their best to do that. No one said they wanted a WiiU when several hard core titles are scheduled to release on the system. Especially with the huge opening the WiiU has right now to get those games on console with minimal competition.
If it fails now, Nintendo later on or in the next gen will simply stop listening to this "hardcore" crowd and simply do what they are doing because as far as they know, they left the door wide open and only a small few stepped in, and those who didn't are still whining about them.
 

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This is the same risk-averse attitude that has resulted in EA's games becoming increasingly samey. They could take a chance on the WiiU and they needn't do it as a handout to Nintendo. The move would open up the types of games they can make, widen their audience, possibly offer them a break into the mobile market they're so desperately coveting by giving them some ins with touchscreens and casual audiences. But of course they take the safe route and stick with what they know, like a big company is wont to do.
 

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Is the bold quote on top of the article there to illustrate how bonkers they are?

AldUK said:
They will be fine once a new Zelda comes out. All the fanboys will pick it up and Nintendo will continue trucking along in 3rd place.
are you saying that the xbone will be somewhere in first or second

are you making that claim now

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what a fascinating turn of events. since its release, people on this site have shit all over the wii u. now that theres a new console to hate, people are suddenly jumping to the defense of nintendo
actually, people are still dumping on nintendo

despite the fact that the other console publishers are not expected to have first party games to sell their console and people act like nintendo not doing so is a huge failure on their part, and taking the word of the devs on everything even though on a different day you'd hear people complain about those same devs and how bad they are

not a word on how they keep backing out of agreements so many times that you think would violate the clauses of some contracts

even being treated like butts by microsoft doesn't curb irrationality
 

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Dragonbums said:
EA can stuff it.

At this point you should be the ones begging Nintendo to take you back. After your twitter tantrum, and outright lies about what the system can and cannot do, Nintendo is certainly not in the position to beg for YOU to come back. Especially how you guys were going all buddy buddy to the now hated Xbone.
I don't think you read the article.

Unless EA is totally suicidal, going on the Nintendo Wii U is a failed venture already.

On the other hand, Nintendo needs to sell some consoles, and having wildly popular AAA games would do that.

So no, EA has the upper hand here.
As I have pointed out repeatedly, the WiiU is a very well selling console, better than the 360 over the same time period. EA is making irrational demands that a brand new console sell mass amounts of year old games. It's not a failed venture any more than producing games for the XBone or PS4 (which have to date sold 0 units) is a failed venture.
 

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Or EA could just not make disposable shit every year.

Honestly, EA are practically in the business of making the same game every year, and then they go and complain when they're not selling enough units or when people are trading in their copies.

If Nintendo had the courage to completely burn bridges with them, they would have had my utmost respect. I understand that's not completely practical, since EA make a lot of games that people buy, but still, it would be a statement of complete integrity.
 

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Im sorry but are you accusing EA of making the same game every year? While in the same breath defending Nintendo? Really? Really? You know we are coming up to Mario kart 8 now right? The biggest thing nintendo had at e3 was annother Super Smash Bros.
 

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Well it sort of makes sense. The wii made it pretty clear nintendo consoles are designed to benefit nintendo only with their family friendly image.

They could change that with the wiiu but it really needs some time before that happens and everything just gets overtaken by nintendos own games anyway.

Let nintendo have their bubble and everyone else can focus on the ps4. And maybe xbone but whatever.
 

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EA shooting themselves in the foot isn't really anything new. If they were smart they'd just keep their mouths shut and either try to release games on most current consoles (WiiU, Xbox 360 and PS3), or wait until all the new consoles comes out. Their poor management of resources means that they have to a millions of games; they know they won't get that from the WiiU. Another with half a brain-cell probably knows that, because so far around 3-4 million consoles have been sold. They just aren't going to meet their targets.

EA sells titles on more than one platform, that's the best way they can manage with their current way of working. But they shouldn't try blaming it on the WiiU, they are the ones who make games that cost more to create than they can make on launch days. They are the ones who created ports of older games, which they should have guessed wouldn't exactly big in the bucks.
 

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Beacuse let's be honest, EA games don't sell consoles. Nintendo's first party games always sell Nintendo consoles. There's not much EA can do and I find it sad that Nintendo fans are blaming EA for not making games for the console with such low sales.


Its a business.

Its just as a silly to get mad at Ubisoft for making Rayman Legends a multiplatform title. Rayman Origins sold the least on the Wii, making Legends and exclusive would have been a huge mistake.

Again, its business.

It's not EA's obligation to make games for the Wii U to sell it. Nintendo made the console, Nintendo should be responsible for moving its units. Releasing the Wii U with no major 1st party games was a very damaging idea. The Wii U can't hold on to JUST Super Mario 3D World alone for the holiday season. And the new Smash Bros comes out next spring so we can forget about that for the holidays.

The Wii U is going to need more than Mario, Pikmin and The Wonderful 101 (so basically Mario and 2 niche titles) to sell units.

The Wii actually had a stellar first year with it releases. Seems like the Wii U was put out a year earlier than expected to make up for Nintendo's recent losses.....
First Bold: No, Rayman Origins sold the least on PC and 3DS. Rayman Origins did fairly well on the Wii. Quit saying that RO sold the least on the Wii.

Second Bold: Uhuh, so, when Microsoft and Sony hardly have any First party games at launch, it'll only make sense for every 3rd party to up and abandon them, am I right? That's just a convenient Excuse for companies like EA to abandon the WiiU. Also, what's going to be a hard hitter for either Microsoft and Sony when their new consoles launch? There's no way Halo 5 is a launch title, and neither will Final Fantasy XV be one.

First Italicized: I agree with you, that's why it's not going into Christmas with Super Mario 3D World alone. In July, there's Game and Wario; In August, there's Pikmin 3, Disney's Infinity and Rayman Legends; In September, it's the Wonderful 101; In October, there's Wii Party U and The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker HD; in November, there's Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze and Watch_Dogs; and in December, there's Super Mario 3D World and Wii Fit U. So let's see, all in all there will be 11 good games that will come out for the system by Christmas, and both the XBone and PS4 will only have 2-5 good games at launch. So the WiiU isn't relying on Mario by itself this Christmas.

Second Italicized: The WiiU might not be selling as well as the Wii, but the WiiU has Made Nintendo more Money than the Wii did at Launch [http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a443677/wii-u-grosses-more-than-wii-at-launch-despite-selling-fewer-units.html]. That is quite a feet, considering how well the Wii sold and then considering how the WiiU sold...
 

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AzrealMaximillion said:
Beacuse let's be honest, EA games don't sell consoles. Nintendo's first party games always sell Nintendo consoles. There's not much EA can do and I find it sad that Nintendo fans are blaming EA for not making games for the console with such low sales.


Its a business.

Its just as a silly to get mad at Ubisoft for making Rayman Legends a multiplatform title. Rayman Origins sold the least on the Wii, making Legends and exclusive would have been a huge mistake.

Again, its business.

It's not EA's obligation to make games for the Wii U to sell it. Nintendo made the console, Nintendo should be responsible for moving its units. Releasing the Wii U with no major 1st party games was a very damaging idea. The Wii U can't hold on to JUST Super Mario 3D World alone for the holiday season. And the new Smash Bros comes out next spring so we can forget about that for the holidays.

The Wii U is going to need more than Mario, Pikmin and The Wonderful 101 (so basically Mario and 2 niche titles) to sell units.

The Wii actually had a stellar first year with it releases. Seems like the Wii U was put out a year earlier than expected to make up for Nintendo's recent losses.....
First Bold: No, Rayman Origins sold the least on PC and 3DS. Rayman Origins did fairly well on the Wii. Quit saying that RO sold the least on the Wii.

Second Bold: Uhuh, so, when Microsoft and Sony hardly have any First party games at launch, it'll only make sense for every 3rd party to up and abandon them, am I right? That's just a convenient Excuse for companies like EA to abandon the WiiU. Also, what's going to be a hard hitter for either Microsoft and Sony when their new consoles launch? There's no way Halo 5 is a launch title, and neither will Final Fantasy XV be one.

First Italicized: I agree with you, that's why it's not going into Christmas with Super Mario 3D World alone. In July, there's Game and Wario; In August, there's Pikmin 3, Disney's Infinity and Rayman Legends; In September, it's the Wonderful 101; In October, there's Wii Party U and The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker HD; in November, there's Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze and Watch_Dogs; and in December, there's Super Mario 3D World and Wii Fit U. So let's see, all in all there will be 11 good games that will come out for the system by Christmas, and both the XBone and PS4 will only have 2-5 good games at launch. So the WiiU isn't relying on Mario by itself this Christmas.

Second Italicized: The WiiU might not be selling as well as the Wii, but the WiiU has Made Nintendo more Money than the Wii did at Launch [http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a443677/wii-u-grosses-more-than-wii-at-launch-despite-selling-fewer-units.html]. That is quite a feet, considering how well the Wii sold and then considering how the WiiU sold...
To your first point.
Until Valve starts telling people how many sales they get, and as soon as people like the NPD start counting digital sales, I'll take the PC version of Rayman Origins selling the least with a grain of salt. The point still stands that Rayman Origins sold the least on the Wii. Frankly, it should have sold the most on the Wii considering the market.


To your second point.
You do realize that Nintendo consoles have always sold based on Nintendo's 1st party games right? The same can't be said for the PlayStation or Xbox Brands. That and the fact that most 3rd party games that show up on the PS/Xboxes don't show up on Nintendo consoles due to the bad relations Nintendo has with the 3rd party and how Nintendo fans will always buy most things Nintendo before even looking at the 3rd party. Sony and MS can put out games and still not scare away the 3rd party on their consoles because they hit the same audience.

But even when publishers make great games for the Nintendo audience, their games usually get ignored for Zelda or Mario, so games like Zack and Wiki by Capcom wind up in a bargain bin. This happens while a DS Mario port (Super Mario Bros Wii) sells gangbusters.

To your 3rd point.
A lot of the games you mentioned will not sell the Wii U. Game and Wario is yet another minigame compilation and I really think Nintendo should stop shoving those down people's throats. Pikmin 3 and Wonderful 101 are going to be too niche to be considered console sellers. Wii Party U. -_-. So Mario Party with Miis? Again, not something I'd call a system seller, or anything to go crazy about. Wind Waker HD is a remake but hasn't been milked like Ocarina of time. But remakes don't sell consoles either. Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze looks decent. Watch Dogs is going to be better on the other consoles and isn't exclusive to the Wii U so it doesn't help your point. And Rayman Legends is going multiplatform once again. And Wii Fit U? Are you serious? And to top it of Disney's ripoff of Skylanders, which is also multiplatform.

Out of those 11 "good" games you mentioned, 1 is an abysmal exercise game, 2 are mini game compilations, 2 are way too niche to consider helping the Wii U's sales, 1 is a remake, and 3 are multiplatform titles. So 9 out of those 11 titles won't help Wii U sales much. And let's be honest, you're really reaching for some points here trying to call Wii Fit U a good game that will help sell Wii Us. Nintendo's marketing has ditched the family orientated market, so I can't see people rushing to the store for a badly calibrated exercise machine.

To your 4th point. While Nintendo has made more money off the Wii U's launch than the Wii there are things to consider. First is the fact that the Wii couldn't stay on a shelf for the first 2 years. Some speculate that Nintendo did that on purpose and I tend to agree as it'd be pretty naive to think that Nintendo didn't have Foxconn make enough Wii consoles to sell. Secondly, Nintendo is still losing money overall as a company.

Look, Nintendo really should have accessed more of their older IPs instead of have Wii Fit U or Wii Party U or bogus crap like that. We should have had another Star Fox announced by now. We should have a freaking non spinoff Pokemon game on the console that utilizes online. Another F-Zero for people who are kinda sick of Mario Kart's rubberband AI. A Fire Emblem games that puts some practical use of the tablet on the table. A Wario game that doesn't involve minigames being the focus.

Point is, Nintendo can do better to sell its own console, and Nintendo's fans crying at EA and Ubisoft for not making games for the console is really pathetic to see.