EA's Peter Moore admits "We can do better"
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Aurgh...Just saying the Always Online is not a scheme 'period' doesn't hold any water when all evidence points to it not making sense and your entire consumer base hating it.
Customers took their 'free game apology' that cost EA nothing because it's digital, big deal, then they also removed the support number for refunds, and then removed the modding section of their forums so focusing on the people accepting free crap model doesn't make what happened good.
And saying that Origin has many registered customers doesn't mean shit either, I got origin, because Mass Effect 3 required origin for me to play it.
Just more lies, more bullshit and expect to see lots more DLC twists with Sim City, like not being able to share DLC resources with neighbors so they better pony up the cash to do that, expansion to let your SIM 3 characters in your city, more DLC from 'sponsors' and probably billboards you can't stop your city's companies from building advertizing shows on real TV.
Customers took their 'free game apology' that cost EA nothing because it's digital, big deal, then they also removed the support number for refunds, and then removed the modding section of their forums so focusing on the people accepting free crap model doesn't make what happened good.
And saying that Origin has many registered customers doesn't mean shit either, I got origin, because Mass Effect 3 required origin for me to play it.
Just more lies, more bullshit and expect to see lots more DLC twists with Sim City, like not being able to share DLC resources with neighbors so they better pony up the cash to do that, expansion to let your SIM 3 characters in your city, more DLC from 'sponsors' and probably billboards you can't stop your city's companies from building advertizing shows on real TV.
Being against the permitting of LGBT characters in video games does not automatically make someone homophobic.Andy Shandy said:
Anyway, while I can definitely see why people would consider EA to be the worst gaming company, I do not think that they should be considered to be the worst company in America.
Forcing players to always be connected to the internet in a game like SimCity does seem like DRM, so I think that it is odd for him to so easily dismiss it as not.
EA should stop their bad business practices (always-online DRM, FIFA clones, etc.), and just focus on making quality games (like Battlefield). Like someone mentioned before, Valve is a very successful company; yet, they're not despised in the same way that EA is. So, success doesn't always mean disdain.
Yeah, they're just doing fairly standard PR stuff, which is perhaps an improvement for them, which is why it apparently is catching a lot of Escapists off guard and making them mistake this for an honest apology or something.Legion said:
Obviously when you get voted the worst company in America, you don't release a statement saying "well fuck you consumers, we're actually the best company in America." You release a pseudo-apology and hedge it by adding a bunch of excuses and compliments between the lines. And then you set up a straw man to imply that most of the people who hate you just do it because they're homophobic.
Dexter111 said:
The people indebted to Bank of America are employing their services. They are essentially consumers.Dexter111 said:
If you're against characters showing attraction to each other in general, sure.Mad World said:
If you're against LGBT characters because you're afraid they'll be stereotypical or will be defined too much by their orientation, the best way to stop that is to add more LGBT characters so that such behavior is no longer thought of as "deviant", just like how adding more black characters stops a black character from being labeled as "the black guy".
Well, if EA could do better wouldn't they have done so by now? Instead we get the SimCity incident, all this Always Online malarkey... I don't think EA can do any better to be honest.
This long winded "apology" is nothing more than PR babble that doesn't even accomplish what it sets out to do.
"We can do better, *list of what they've done wrong* and how we plan to rectify this" was all that was necessary.
But rather, it's like a modern warlord in some poor part of the world saying "at least I'm not Hitler".
The always online bit of SimCity would have to be DRM due to the product itself being a botched MMO of sorts. There is no option to play offline single player save for client modification (which is, in EA terms, "illegal and hacking"). Saying "end of story/period" without further elaboration does not help prove your case.
Have they've gotten unfair votes stacked upon them for petty reasons? Yes, they most certainly have. So have others.
Are there companies out there with worse atrocities committed? Why yes, the Banks make a living from ruining lives.
However, EA has proven time and time again that they, along with most other big companies, are not above exploiting both consumer and employee (the inhumane hours and fickle job security) in a desperate attempt to make or save some big bucks. Depending on your outlook of the world or your priorities, this could justify you voting for them given the parameters of the poll.
The reasons they have for not being "the worst" are rather insignificant. The amount of registered users and people who play largely stem from the fact that they've effectively monopolized sports games and have pulled future installments of franchises from Steam to be exclusively playable on Origin. I wouldn't be surprised if a nice amount of "registered users" are dummy accounts or used for the sole purpose of playing a game previously on Steam should they be a PC gamer. Origin's success hasn't been from good products or loyalty, it's been from removing consumer choice.
So while EA certainly isn't the worst, they are pretty damn bad and have not convinced me to shift my view of them with this response to the poll. In fact, I think it cements my negative view of them because I could not say that I was proud of my company (were I in that man's shoes) and what it's done without feeling disgusted of myself or having already sold my soul to the corporate devil.
I sincerely hope that they do better, but given their track record I find that highly unlikely.
It would require pulling a complete 180 and actually listening to their fans instead of finding new ways to screw them over and test the extents of their tolerance.
"We can do better, *list of what they've done wrong* and how we plan to rectify this" was all that was necessary.
But rather, it's like a modern warlord in some poor part of the world saying "at least I'm not Hitler".
The always online bit of SimCity would have to be DRM due to the product itself being a botched MMO of sorts. There is no option to play offline single player save for client modification (which is, in EA terms, "illegal and hacking"). Saying "end of story/period" without further elaboration does not help prove your case.
Have they've gotten unfair votes stacked upon them for petty reasons? Yes, they most certainly have. So have others.
Are there companies out there with worse atrocities committed? Why yes, the Banks make a living from ruining lives.
However, EA has proven time and time again that they, along with most other big companies, are not above exploiting both consumer and employee (the inhumane hours and fickle job security) in a desperate attempt to make or save some big bucks. Depending on your outlook of the world or your priorities, this could justify you voting for them given the parameters of the poll.
The reasons they have for not being "the worst" are rather insignificant. The amount of registered users and people who play largely stem from the fact that they've effectively monopolized sports games and have pulled future installments of franchises from Steam to be exclusively playable on Origin. I wouldn't be surprised if a nice amount of "registered users" are dummy accounts or used for the sole purpose of playing a game previously on Steam should they be a PC gamer. Origin's success hasn't been from good products or loyalty, it's been from removing consumer choice.
So while EA certainly isn't the worst, they are pretty damn bad and have not convinced me to shift my view of them with this response to the poll. In fact, I think it cements my negative view of them because I could not say that I was proud of my company (were I in that man's shoes) and what it's done without feeling disgusted of myself or having already sold my soul to the corporate devil.
I sincerely hope that they do better, but given their track record I find that highly unlikely.
It would require pulling a complete 180 and actually listening to their fans instead of finding new ways to screw them over and test the extents of their tolerance.
Honestly, I find that rather insulting. All they're doing is using LGBT gamers as a shield to protect them from any and all criticisms. They did it last year when they lost, and they're doing it again this year. They don't actually care about LGBT gamers, they're just using them, and it's incredibly obvious that they are. I think that's pretty offensive.Andy Shandy said:
Admitting that you have a problem is the first step to solving it, but until they actually go further, I'm holding my applause.
45 million players attest to Origin being a competitor to steam? so you have players. BECAUSE ORIGIN IS THE ONLY WAY PEOPLE CAN PLAY GAMES THEY WANT TO PLAY. If BF3, SimCity, heck, even ME3, were all offered through Steam, you can bet people wouldn't be using Origin to play them.
I don't think EA is the worst company in the world, not by a long shot (looking at you Monsanto), but they are by far the worst game developer. The problem of course being that they own some really good studios and some really good IP.
I don't think EA is the worst company in the world, not by a long shot (looking at you Monsanto), but they are by far the worst game developer. The problem of course being that they own some really good studios and some really good IP.
Just remember, folks, only YOU can bring this massive shithole of a business down. Don't buy any of their games. Not the new Battlefield, not any new Dragon Age or Mass Effect, not ANYTHING. The only way they will finally die (I'd normally say change, but I've lost hope of reformation for EA. Non-apologies like this just make it painfully obvious) is with your effort. Or rather, lack of effort.
All you have to do is not pay for their overrated games. Once EA finally bites the dust, the market will open up for better companies to take their place. These companies will make better games with more market share. Think of it as an investment.
All you have to do is not pay for their overrated games. Once EA finally bites the dust, the market will open up for better companies to take their place. These companies will make better games with more market share. Think of it as an investment.
I love how his admission of being wrong contains about one line of actually "yeah, that might have been wrong" and then paragraphs of "WE ARE POPULAR THAT MEANS WE ARE GREAT."
Also, good job focusing on the people complaining for petty reasons. It makes it seem like the people complaining about you are silly despite the huge list of things they've done wrong.
They're not the worst company in the world. They are easily the worst in gaming though, and every time they try to make themselves look good, they just further show how pompous they are.
Also, good job focusing on the people complaining for petty reasons. It makes it seem like the people complaining about you are silly despite the huge list of things they've done wrong.
They're not the worst company in the world. They are easily the worst in gaming though, and every time they try to make themselves look good, they just further show how pompous they are.
"The Simpsons: Tapped Out and Real Racing 3 are at the top of the mobile charts; Battlefield 3 and FIFA"
Hmm... an FPS, and ... The only soccer game on the market. Something tells me you're cherry-picking, dude.
Also "Hey, at least we're not Homophobes!"
Shine on, you crazy spindoctor.
Although, true, at least EA isn't actively hurting anyone or killing the environment. Gotta give them that. If people are still throwing money at them, it's their own fault. Caveat Emptor.
Hmm... an FPS, and ... The only soccer game on the market. Something tells me you're cherry-picking, dude.
Also "Hey, at least we're not Homophobes!"
Shine on, you crazy spindoctor.
Although, true, at least EA isn't actively hurting anyone or killing the environment. Gotta give them that. If people are still throwing money at them, it's their own fault. Caveat Emptor.
On the whole, I can accept the spirit of what he's saying - vitriol and hate mail are very unnecessary, and EA doesn't even come close to the most unethical or "worst" company - but it's hard to believe the line on DRM. A lot of gamers don't trust EA to keep its promises and live up to its reassurances, and that's where the problem lies/ on corporate lies. EA needs/could put its hands where its mouth is, and people could start to trust it/ but optimism is a finite resource which does not trust EA either.
That wasn't "long-winded". If anything, there was a lot more that could have been said.NightmareExpress said: