Ebert Regrets Attack on Gaming
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SharPhoe said:
No, there's a difference here. He's saying that he regrets the statement because it was made in ignorance, not because it was wrong. Because he doesn't know whether or not it was wrong.Crazy_Bird said:
The sign of a truly intelligent person is their knowledge that they don't know everything, and their willingness to admit it. That's what he's doing here. He's not saying games are art, or that some games are art. He's saying that he doesn't know enough about the field, that it's quite possible that they could be without his knowing, and that he shouldn't have spoken on the subject without being willing to do the work to back it up.
If he was simply reacting to the outrage - which I doubt he cares about at all - he could have done so quite easily without such self-deprecation.
I never stopped respecting his opinion on everything else, but it sure is nice to see he's not only able but willing to admit when he was out of line.
Jesus, there are some real idiots in this forum thread.
Here is a man who is likely more intelligent than you are or ever will be, whose only real mistake was in assuming that his theoretical opinion was enough on which to base a factual claim, concerning a subject lacking any clear definition. A mistake he has now rectified.
He's not going to admit he's wrong because he doesn't believe he's wrong, and that's his prerogative. What he did was exactly what he should have done, admitting that he was mistaken in expressing an opinion on something he hadn't experienced.
Did you even read the frigging article? His words at the end - "I had to be prepared to agree that gamers can have an experience that, for them, is Art."
RIGHT THERE! He admits that games can be art for other people, just not for him! And as there are few, if any things in this world more subjective than art, what more could you want than that?
Jesus, there are some real idiots in this forum thread.
Here is a man who is likely more intelligent than you are or ever will be, whose only real mistake was in assuming that his theoretical opinion was enough on which to base a factual claim, concerning a subject lacking any clear definition. A mistake he has now rectified.
He's not going to admit he's wrong because he doesn't believe he's wrong, and that's his prerogative. What he did was exactly what he should have done, admitting that he was mistaken in expressing an opinion on something he hadn't experienced.
Did you even read the frigging article? His words at the end - "I had to be prepared to agree that gamers can have an experience that, for them, is Art."
RIGHT THERE! He admits that games can be art for other people, just not for him! And as there are few, if any things in this world more subjective than art, what more could you want than that?
The impression I got from his response was more that the negative reaction (much of it coherent and well reasoned) caused him to realise his mistake in the first place.Marmooset said:
Roger Ebert has obviously never watched the sun set over the Capital Wasteland from a ruined flyover.
He still believes they aren't art. I still disagree with him. Not an awful lot has changed. If art is supposed to incite an emotive response, then why can't videogames be regarded as such? the artistic merit of a film is different from that of a painting, and it's the same for games. It just seems very closed-minded to think that it can't be so just out of a lack of comprehension.
It was foolish, but not for that reason. Rather, for the reason that it is foolish to claim that there is anything in the world that could not in principle be art.
And why does he insist on spelling art with a capital A?
Nice spot. I knew something wasn't right, but I couldn't put my finger on it.Crazy_Bird said:
Hello!Spot1990 said:
Nevertheless, I'm not bothered about an apology. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter how deranged it might be.
So well mannered and such a fine delicate sense of humour. The fact alone that he has taken a cautious interest in a culture that he has never experienced is worthy of respect. In his age I expect to be festering in my own fecies, not be an inquisitive mind. /bow
Every time someone has a contrary opinion, from the other person's point of view, it is because that person is 'misinformed'. I don't see why anyone should be expected to 'regret' having an opinion that others don't agree with. In the end, all opinion is subjective and what you consider to be 'informed' is 'misinformed' to another.Crazy_Bird said:
Just pointing out that he doesnt regret bashing games as so much as he regrets saying it out loud. I really could careless, but i wanted to point out that he being an even bigger douche about it now.Spot1990 said:
"It's never easy to say that you were wrong, and it's doubly hard to do it in public as Ebert did. There's a lot of humility on display here, and that deserves a lot of respect." ~ Logan Westbrook
He never admitted to being wrong on the matter. Which most ppl who skim through article may have misunderstood it as Ebert retracting his statement.
