Ebert Regrets Attack on Gaming

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ender214

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I don't really see why so many people got worked up about this. Ebert is entitled to his own opinions. Yes, as a critic, his opinions are respected by many. Yes, his opinion may not be based on sufficient evidence or experience, as he admits. But it's just his opinion, don't take it so seriously.
 

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oktalist said:
Virgil said:
No, there's a difference here. He's saying that he regrets the statement because it was made in ignorance, not because it was wrong. Because he doesn't know whether or not it was wrong.
And yet he still says, and I quote, "I declared as an axiom that video games can never be Art. I still believe this."
So what? I believe that Hudson Hawk is a good movie. I accept that most of the rest of the world does not. I don't care whether or not I'm "wrong", and am not willing to back up my opinion. He has the same right to have his, as long as he doesn't try to state it from a position of authority.
 
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I still don't believe he deserved all the pure hate and scorn he got.

Its not your fault Ebert. Most gamers aren't mature enough to handle other people's opinions on games. If they were, you'd have gotten good arguments with people, instead of mountains of pure hate main and whatnot.

I swear, when one person states something unfavorable about games, everyone goes batshit insane. Its completely ridiculous.
 

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Being able to admit a fault is a good thing.
But he still got his head up his ass.
 

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Some one should show him Big Rigs: Off the Map Racing.
Then he can see the true forms of art that video-games have become.
 

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Jark212 said:
Magnesium360 said:
Art is subjective. No one can claim that something is or is not art, just that it is art to them. This argument should never have existed in the first place.
Why can't more people be like you???

It go's the same with beauty is in the eye of the beholder...
Because most people don't have perspective.

Yea. He probably shouldn?t have said anything in the first place but I?m glad he isn?t recanting his opinion. He has every right to have whatever opinion he has about games just as JD Salinger had every right to have whatever opinion he had about movies.
However, Salinger probably saw more movies in his life than Ebert?s played games.
Have you seen him lately? I think he had to have his jaw removed or something. I didn?t even recognize him.
I think that?s why everyone?s saying to take it easy on him.
 

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I'm still indifferent to his opinion. I trust his opinion on movies, but not on games. I would hope he realizes that his opinions on gaming don't really hold much weight, and he's not authority. I would also hope the gaming community realizes this.

edit: just read the article, and it appears he realizes this. All is well and forgiven.
 

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I give him credit for admitting that he was dumb to say it. It was even more dumb to post a scornful opinion of VIDEO GAMES and GAMERS on your INTERNET BLOG. Where do you think we hang out? He may as well have shouted it in an arcade or at a con.
 

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His opinion never really affected me. What he said was quite valid, since he clearly stated that it was his opinion, and open to interpretation. Still, it's nice to see an apology of sorts, Those of you saying it "wasn't a real apology" that's cause he had nothing to apologise for. He's just saying, he shouldn't have based his opinion on something he knew almost nothing about.
 

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First thing is probably to say that we won.

Secondly your quotations, my dear Logan, does not make sense: " I still believe this, but I should never have said so." but then again " It is quite possible a game could someday be great Art".
Make up your mind!

Furthermore "I don't know what they can learn about another human being that way, "
That is something not even some of the greatest movies accomplish.
Only films and books someone can personally relate to achieve "to inspire people to transcend themselves". Even he cannot have seen so many paintings and movies and read so many books that he got multiple religious epiphanies.

I get the feeling he does not regret anything but he regrets saying it because people want to burn hos house down. That is the wrong motivation. i demand either consistent contemplation or at least proper discourse. He offers none.

Also the "if I'm not willing to play a video game to find that out" part is incredibly ignorant.
That's exactly it. He does regret it, but for all the wrong reasons. From the article here it seems to me that he just can't keep his mouth shut.
But that third quotation of yours shows he will never understand.

Art, after all, is arguably subjective to the viewer and as such he will never see the art in a videogame that others might. I personally have to struggle to see videogames as art but I'll still defend the claims that they are. Much like he should be doing, self important arse that he is.
 
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runnernda said:
I give him credit for admitting that he was dumb to say it. It was even more dumb to post a scornful opinion of VIDEO GAMES and GAMERS on your INTERNET BLOG. Where do you think we hang out? He may as well have shouted it in an arcade or at a con.
Yes, because there's only teenage gamers on the internet right.

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I still don't believe he deserved all the pure hate and scorn he got.

Its not your fault Ebert. Most gamers aren't mature enough to handle other people's opinions on games. If they were, you'd have gotten good arguments with people, instead of mountains of pure hate main and whatnot.

I swear, when one person states something unfavorable about games, everyone goes batshit insane. Its completely ridiculous.
Amen brother! That's why I fucking hate gamers on the internet sometimes. Most of them are unable to back up their opinions with arguments or example. Instead they will personally insult anyone whose opinion differs from theirs and throw a fucking tantrum. They are either too young or too dumb to be able to have a civilized discussion where, believe it or not, opinions differ.
 

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I'm a little angered at this blatant 'I'm sorry I said this, but not that I believe this, about something I know nothing about' PR stunt. It was unprofessional of him to say what he said, as he is not a game critic, and his rather overwhelming definitions of art are rather offensive- must art actually invoke a transcendence in the viewer? If so, and by this he means attempt to change our point of view, to understand what the artist is trying to communicate, etc. then he should be smacked in the face.

Games, like mainstream movies, are rarely the vision of an empassioned artist, but are most often the collective work of several to dozens of opinions, rewrites, focus and test groups, and battles for creative freedom vs. revenue. To look at a movie and say that 'one man had a vision' is a joke. Perhaps initially, and maybe even a majority of creative say, but never singly, not in hollywood today.

And even then, in attempts to mimic the pacing of the genre, you can often have a wonderfully detailed narrative unfold before you, 'movie- style', through various tools like staged events and quicktime events- Halflife2 and Heavy Rain both jump to mind.

It's the pretentious nature of his 'I don't know what gamers can learn about...' statements that make me really angry. He's still looking down his nose at gamers, and sounds pretty smug about it.
 

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I would relent to if a bunch of angry blowhards sent me constant angry letters and e-mails when I voiced my honest opinion.
 

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hmm well at least he apologized, But seriously he believes that games aren't art but yet he can't even back up his own statement. He couldn't come up with any definition that excluded games from being art. Anyways at least he can admit that he is wrong sometimes.
 

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Straying Bullet said:
No, he is still claiming games aren't art and remains the same irritating and annoying, shockingly close-minded absent fool that he is. I am serious, this guy claims he never played a videogame in his life, says he shouldn't make that statement and yet says he CLINGS to that said statement.

Where does this deserve respect? He's just playing smart, really. Read between the lines, I loathe this guy. No, I am not asking for an apology, but this shows what kind of narrow-minded fool he is. But why should we care right, many people said this..Aah forget it..

TL:TR: This guy says he still agrees on his statement but just saying he shouldn't make it public. And no, he still hasn't played games.
Really? so wht if i said to you that Twilight was art? or that rap was great music? Or that Halo is an amazing game. By the sheer number of people on this forum who haave come out against both of those subjects admitting that they don't watch/listen but feel rght in their hatred for them.
 

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Straying Bullet said:
clipse15 said:
Straying Bullet said:
No, he is still claiming games aren't art and remains the same irritating and annoying, shockingly close-minded absent fool that he is. I am serious, this guy claims he never played a videogame in his life, says he shouldn't make that statement and yet says he CLINGS to that said statement.

Where does this deserve respect? He's just playing smart, really. Read between the lines, I loathe this guy. No, I am not asking for an apology, but this shows what kind of narrow-minded fool he is. But why should we care right, many people said this..Aah forget it..

TL:TR: This guy says he still agrees on his statement but just saying he shouldn't make it public. And no, he still hasn't played games.
Really? so wht if i said to you that Twilight was art? or that rap was great music? Or that Halo is an amazing game. By the sheer number of people on this forum who haave come out against both of those subjects admitting that they don't watch/listen but feel rght in their hatred for them.
I watched these movies and I loathe them. I was forced because my lil' sisters wanted to see, so I naturally ended up watching a 'chickflick'. In fact, I watch movies daily, much as I can. Either way, I WATCHED them. I listened to RAP and I like it. But I agree probaly 90% is just crap over bitches and money, or whatever cashflow.

And I played games, for a long ass time. The difference is, that this person never played videogames, he based this on visual experience. He never interacted with it directly/personally, probaly scared he might actually enjoy it. That is what I get from this post "Nor will I ever play videogames".

So there.
This wasn't aimed directly at you but at the people who share your opinion and i still feel that people who are some how upset with Ebert to be in the wrong. His admission that while he still feels the same but isn't informed enough is something i wish this forum did more often.