ECA Responds to Accusations of Wrongdoing

TJ79

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I'm not sure how I insulted you unless you are referring to my "shilling" comment. But you were obviously speaking without knowing all the facts.

With that said I apologize for the shill comment as that is not what you were doing per the definition of the word.

After reading the rest of your response I can agree with some of it. And you are right no business or organization is perfect. But it is the perspective of many that the practices being used by the ECA do not shed a favorable light on them considering what it is they do stand for.

It's a hard pill to swallow when the President of the association speaks out against another company for changing EULAs or Terms of Service and how that practice is anti-consumer, only to turn around and do it to it's own members. It just looks bad, and I don't see how anyone can argue against that. In this case it is very easy to be cynical just because of these actions by the ECA.

The changing of expired credit card info to continue billing without the card holders consent is very questionable if not unethical or illegal despite the user agreeing to it in the TOS. There is precedent for this being ruled as such.

According to moderators on the ECA forums these things are going to addressed, so hopefully ECA makes it right in the end. But their credibility has taken a hit regardless.
 

Relic142

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Tenmar said:
Yeah I'm a member of the community chapters for the ECA and the Amazon discount code abuse really caused a false increase in the amount of "members" the ECA was getting. People who abused the discount code were selling them all over Ebay and other websites so while at the same time there were a bunch of "people" joining the ECA for the wrong reasons there were also that same "people" leaving within the hour.

I would easily suspect that the group complaining are the same people who tried and have abused the system where guys like me had to go through our member rosters and make sure the people who joined our chapters were actual people instead of make believe people.
I'm sorry but I had to reply to your post. I'm currently a paying ECA subscriber and have been since May of 09. Honestly, I need to ask if you know why changes to the TOS were made with out contacting its members via an email. I asked my cousin to join when the memberships were available for free and when the amazon coupons were discontinued he wanted to quit and used the button to unsubscribe from automated billing. If this button was never a viable option to cancel membership or stop credit card charges why wasn't he contacted. In the first place it never made any sense to have a button to unsubscribe from automated billing when it supposedly never worked (why put it there?). I had to read it on Kotaku and let him know he had to send a letter to cancel the membership.

I know ECA has mentioned the requirement to quit the organization via snail mail was to prevent abuse from people joining and quitting, but if they stopped the promotion code for amazon and codes to join the ECA for free wouldn't that solve the problem right there? People no longer had any incentive to join for the amazon code and if it was no longer free to join the ECA it would cost $20 to join and quit everytime.

So why wouldn't a phone call or email work now as it has in the past? Let the people who aren't serious about the organization leave and keep the real members who care about gaming rights. I can't see this whole mess as anything but to make it harder for people to quit and take their $20. I regret telling my cousin about the ECA. This makes the organization look really shady and I'm not sure if I want to support this kind of organization.
 

TJ79

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The ECA just updated its FAQ...I would guess the TOS will be revised (again) soon as well. Looks like progress is being made.
 

TJ79

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I've been around for a while. Have just never posted before. I've been a fan of zero-punctuation for a long time.