Editorial: Stop Treating Us Like Idiots, Microsoft and EA

John Keefer

Devilish Rogue
Aug 12, 2013
630
0
0
Editorial: Stop Treating Us Like Idiots, Microsoft and EA

The E3 press conferences showed that a couple publishers have not learned to read their audience.

Read Full Article
 

J Tyran

New member
Dec 15, 2011
2,407
0
0
No offence intended and I am only trying to be objectively critical but why is this news? Its obviously an opinion piece that contains no news and is more suited to being posted as a feature or article rather than news.
 

John Keefer

Devilish Rogue
Aug 12, 2013
630
0
0
Exactly why I didn't even bother watching anything from this years E3. I knew it was just going to be a re-hash of last year.


But I have to say I was surprised about all the stuff Sony is doing, Nintendo even had a step up from last year.


Now only if Microsoft and EA would actually pay attention to their customers instead of shoving Mountain Dew and Doritos down our throats while showcasing the game that the entire gaming world has been waiting for, PEGGLE 2.


No, after last year it will take more than Microsoft an EA apologizing for their fuck ups.

It's going to take some serious amends to get them un-fucked up
 

Piorn

New member
Dec 26, 2007
1,097
0
0
But will these new and revolutionary games, that aren't just iterations of past releases, let us feel real emotions?


Also, maybe I never noticed it before, but all the narrations were severely uncanny.
"Greetings, humans, I am a human man just like you! Let us play videogames together, and feel real excitement and emotions, because that is what humans do! Epic!"
 

SilverUchiha

New member
Dec 25, 2008
1,604
0
0
I'm failing to see how Sony's conference was better than Microsoft's. Not going to lie, didn't think either one was spectacular, but the games shown at the MS conference were a wider range and a bit more interesting than Sony's. It was easy to tell MS was trying hard to make up for last years stupidity while Sony, to me, felt like it was phoning it in, high of last year's victory and not really caring if it did well this year or not. Nintendo, to me, felt like the only one making both a concerted effort and having fun with it.
 

Nimzabaat

New member
Feb 1, 2010
886
0
0
J Tyran said:
No offence intended and I am only trying to be objectively critical but why is this news? Its obviously an opinion piece that contains no news and is more suited to being posted as a feature or article rather than news.
A massively biased opinion piece at that. I mean, reading the article I can't really tell what Microsoft did differently than Sony other than being Microsoft. They're both teasing games that are coming out this year and next. They both have some titles that are expected and some that aren't. Maybe this is supposed to be satire?
 

Vivi22

New member
Aug 22, 2010
2,300
0
0
Honestly, I agree with Yahtzee's take in that E3 is a few days of media and triple A companies getting into one big circle jerk while trying to pretend that their segment of the industry isn't incredibly dysfunctional and paying the most attention to the games and companies that least need (and often least deserve given their state of development) the publicity.

The gaming world would be a much better place if E3 ceased to exist and we put this much time and energy into spot lighting the games and developers that might actually need and deserve the attention.
 

balfore

New member
Nov 9, 2006
74
0
0
While I've loved what I've seen from Ubisoft (even though its starting to look a lot like Online FPS everywhere)they genuinely got me excited. And Nintendo underwhelmed me. While I'll say I'm not a huge Nintendo fan but they are just releasing sequels to a console I don't have, or don't want to purchase for sequels.
 

klaynexas3

My shoes hurt
Dec 30, 2009
1,525
0
0
Sony's conference wasn't amazing. The speakers could really use a class on public speaking, but I enjoyed the look of the games, and it was nice to see some new stuff, even if some of the new stuff may have not been as new as it could have been if some companies just kept their mouths shut for a little bit to wait for E3. As for Microsoft and EA's presentations, I saw neither of them, and I can't say I care much about a fair amount of the games they talked about, but if you liked that kind of thing, I'm sure you probably enjoyed it more than last year. There wasn't anything truly big this year, so there's little reason to have gotten so hyped.

With Nintendo, I'll give them props for finally giving me a new look at one of the two reasons why I might actually get my own Wii U if my brother ever moved out, the lovely Xenoblade game. Also, the new Zelda looks kind of cool, I just hope the writting is better for that one than the ones I've played so far. And that about covers my feelings for E3 for me so far. It wasn't a big year, but hey, now that it's over we might see some actual news for games again instead of teases about E3.
 

TheMadJack

New member
Apr 6, 2010
111
0
0
EA's press conference was abysmal. Microsoft's wasn't a complete waste, but it was definitively better than EA's. As far as Sony and Nintendo, they were pretty good.

It's obvious EA has lost touch with their customers and is more interested in the marketing dudes' opinions and ideas than the vast majority of gamers. I've written them off a long time ago and I don't think they can redeem themselves. I have stopped counting the games I would've bought if they were on Steam. But no, corporate greed is more important than customer satisfaction in their eyes, so no thanks EA.

/rantoff
 

WarpedLord

New member
Mar 11, 2009
135
0
0
Nimzabaat said:
J Tyran said:
No offence intended and I am only trying to be objectively critical but why is this news? Its obviously an opinion piece that contains no news and is more suited to being posted as a feature or article rather than news.
A massively biased opinion piece at that. I mean, reading the article I can't really tell what Microsoft did differently than Sony other than being Microsoft. They're both teasing games that are coming out this year and next. They both have some titles that are expected and some that aren't. Maybe this is supposed to be satire?
I'm in total agreement.

Both had games I was really excited about, and games that made me just go "meh".

Acting like one or the other was somehow "a clear winner" pretty much stinks of bias or "fanboyism" as usual. (Other than, of course, last year. Christ, Microsoft...)
 

JonB

Don't Take Crap from Life
Sep 16, 2012
1,157
0
0
J Tyran said:
No offence intended and I am only trying to be objectively critical but why is this news? Its obviously an opinion piece that contains no news and is more suited to being posted as a feature or article rather than news.
Sorry! All of our E3 content is automatically pushed into news room. Our bad.
 

TheMadJack

New member
Apr 6, 2010
111
0
0
klaynexas3 said:
Sony's conference wasn't amazing. The speakers could really use a class on public speaking,
For the most part they're devs. I don't care about that, it's mostly irrelevant. If they were good speakers that would only be icing on the cake. Totally not a requirement.

As for Microsoft and EA's presentations, I saw neither of them, and I can't say I care much about a fair amount of the games they talked about, but if you liked that kind of thing, I'm sure you probably enjoyed it more than last year.
Microsoft's was better than last year, yes. But not EA's. Oh no. Don't assume if you haven't seen it.
 

Andy Shandy

Fucked if I know
Jun 7, 2010
4,797
0
0
I assume we're just forgetting the half an hour nonsense of Sony talking about boring boardroom and TV shit that everyone complained about last year then? I mean, I wish I could, but it still happened. And I'd hardly describe much of what Sony did as surprises. Grim Fandango remake? Sure. But who wasn't expecting a Little Big Planet on PS4? Suda's exclusive was revealed last year (as Lily Bergamo) and everyone already knew about Project Beast too. Oh, and The Order was Sony too, whether that's a plus or a negative. So I'd hardly describe Sony's conference as a great end. If they'd ended after 45 minutes, it would have been a great end to (in my opinion) a pretty great day all round. They didn't though, and it turned into a middling end.

Ubisoft's conference was varying in quality. EA's was pretty bad (that's one thing I can agree with). Nintendo's and Microsoft's were both great with games pretty much constant. Nintendo edges it as my "winner" on sheer numbers overall, but Scalebound and Crackdown were my personal favourites.
 

SonOfVoorhees

New member
Aug 3, 2011
3,509
0
0
More MS bashing, well ok, so is Sony giving you a few quid to bad mouth the competition, you are sounding overly biased - when, as an article writer, you need to be equal and open to all systems. Still dont hear anyone bashing Sony for the last part of their show....TV really? I remember MS doing that and even now people bring that up as a reason to hate MS. Sony and MS were about the same, both had some good titles, and both used third party multi-platform games to advertise their system (MS had a better show). In my opinion both MS and Sony should only be able to show exclusive titles.
 

Alek The Great

New member
May 24, 2011
56
0
0
I really don't understand what the author's angry about. There's a wide variety of ways someone could treat you like an idiot, but what was it that Microsoft did (I didn't have time to watch the EA conference in full so I can't say anything about them) that made you feel like you were being treated like a simpleton?

Was it that Master Chief wasn't trotted out first? Why does the order of announcements anger you? The entire conference was an hour and a half long so surely it should make no difference where an announcement is placed in the presentation. What's more, Halo got a hefty chunk of screentime - ome of which I felt could have been used for other games, even if I am really excited about the collection and playing Halo 2 multiplayer again.

Or was it that COD was shown first? I'll admit it wasn't the opening for me either, but it's the bestselling franchise on Xbox so I imagine they want it on the stage to assure COD fans.

Or was it that Sunset Overdrive and Forza Horizon 2 were announced? Sunset Overdrive looked amazing and incredibly fun to play. Its style and the fact that its sole focus seems to be on fun is what I miss the most from many modern games. The original Horizon on the other hand was one of the best open world racing games I played so a sequel set in beautiful southern Europe has me interested.

All of the gameplay (aside maybe from the COD demo) at the Microsoft conference looked great to me. The CG trailers didn't do much from me because I prefer seeing some gameplay but that was the same for CG trailers of games in the Sony conference. That said, Little Big Planet 3 left me grinning from ear to ear and I'm happy to see No Man's Sky progressing in such an exciting direction.

All in all though, I really don't understand the purpose of this article. If the games shown didn't tickle your fancy, why does this somehow make you feel like you are being treated like an idiot? And why does a developer diary anger you so much? If you find it boring that's fair enough (I personally like seeing the design process), but I don't get the anger. This piece seems like (as much as I hate the term) "flame bait" to me. Apologies if that wasn't the intention, but I feel there are other issues with E3 that warrant more discussion (although this was article was more of an open letter complaint it seems) than the order of game announcements in a conference or whether or not developer diaries are appropriate use of screen time.
 

Hdawger

New member
Jun 8, 2010
75
0
0
The fact that you liked Sony's Televisi- Err, I mean Games presentation more than Microsoft's tells me a lot. Personally, I care about the games, not about corporate suits coming out and talking about their new BS entertainment stuff, but to each their own I guess.
 

Vivi22

New member
Aug 22, 2010
2,300
0
0
Hdawger said:
The fact that you liked Sony's Televisi- Err, I mean Games presentation more than Microsoft's tells me a lot. Personally, I care about the games, not about corporate suits coming out and talking about their new BS entertainment stuff, but to each their own I guess.
Anyone who cares about games is just going to ignore the shitty conferences and find out what was announced that's more than just empty promises and a shitty pre-rendered trailer anyway. E3 in general is a waste of time that can usually be summed up in about a half page summary once it's all over. None of these companies gives a good presentation, so why would anyone waste their time watching?
 

Ticklefist

New member
Jul 19, 2010
487
0
0
Is there even one example of either of these two treating us like idiots? I didn't have the patience to read the entire article. Was just a raged out journalist having a go at a couple punching bags.
 

Aiddon_v1legacy

New member
Nov 19, 2009
3,672
0
0
Sony, EA, MS, and Ubi's pressers were ALL average at best. They did nothing special at best or were complete snores at worse. It seems like they have no real idea what they're doing with E3 pressers. Heck, I'm not even sure if they know WHY they go to E3 anymore other than it being a habit.
 

LazyAza

New member
May 28, 2008
716
0
0
I thought MS n Sony did pretty good this year, lots of cool stuff I'm interested in. Heck I even came away from MS' thinking "maybe I should get a One eventually" which is an enormous difference to my previous thoughts of "why would I buy that useless piece of crap?" haha.

As for all the games that were teased and not shown, if a dev doesn't feel they are ready to show their game off then they shouldn't. The vast vast VAST majority of people don't understand how games are made and how they don't start really coming together and looking and being awesome until very late in to development.

You can't show off a game if you don't have convincing footage indicative of the final product. Games are as complex and expensive as they've ever been and so the process of getting them ready to show to the public takes longer than ever.

This article was poor at best, seems like it was written by someone deliberately being angry and cranky for no real reason. Sure lots of dumb stuff has happened this year already but nothing worth getting this mad about, aside from maybe a lack of Last Guardian in any form.
 

Rellik San

New member
Feb 3, 2011
609
0
0
Sony and Microsofts events felt rife with:

"Coming to consoles first on..." and "The console exclusive debut..." and "first only on..." all of which seemed to me to be code for: "Please guys, please don't pay attention to the devs who say a PC release is happening... guys... guys... honest... it'll be better on our machines... in 720p... and 30fps... guys..."

Also as a European: FUCK SONY!
When talking about their new service platforms, new content for PS+ and many other things I couldn't help but notice the constant use of: "North American users..." "Users in North America..." and not to mention the ridiculous mark up on their products for the EU, if I'm paying equivalent to $50 - $150 more for Hardware, Sony better be giving me the same, if not BETTER service then NA.

EA felt very meh, I don't want a numbered Mass Effect, I want smaller stories in that universe that build on that universe, like how about an open world style C-Sec game, I mean the Citadel is meant to be the size of 5 cities. Hardline, I got beta, it's ok, just ok... but nothing they had really set me on fire.

Ubisofts conference felt awkward and unnecessarily forced, although I am looking forward to a new Rainbow Six game, lets be honest what we all want is Ubi to announce the death of Uplay. If Ubi did that, they'd win E3.

And then Nintendo, who as said in the article did their own thing and it was glorious, the Robot Chicken segment, new IP announced, a new Xenoblade, I think people forget how often Nintendo actually put out new IP or Franchises and what we really want from them is a new Character.

For my money, Nintendo stole it, if only because of Sony's conference basically telling me as an EU gamer that I'm not worth their time.

___________

As for the article, it's stated at the top of the page when you read it, it's an editorial, it's just this guys opinion, not a news piece, not the Escapists official stance but just simply an editorial.
 

Aggieknight

New member
Dec 6, 2009
229
0
0
J Tyran said:
No offence intended and I am only trying to be objectively critical but why is this news? Its obviously an opinion piece that contains no news and is more suited to being posted as a feature or article rather than news.
Dear sir,

May I direct you to the word "Editorial" in the title.

When you see that, it refers to an opinion piece that is generally loosely related to current events.

Like in this case.

Yours truly,
Me.

ps - As someone who has watched E3 news, i tend to agree with the editorial. M$ gave no real reason to look at their console and EA generally displayed crap.
 

J Tyran

New member
Dec 15, 2011
2,407
0
0
Aggieknight said:
J Tyran said:
No offence intended and I am only trying to be objectively critical but why is this news? Its obviously an opinion piece that contains no news and is more suited to being posted as a feature or article rather than news.
Dear sir,

May I direct you to the word "Editorial" in the title.

When you see that, it refers to an opinion piece that is generally loosely related to current events.

Like in this case.

Yours truly,
Me.

ps - As someone who has watched E3 news, i tend to agree with the editorial. M$ gave no real reason to look at their console and EA generally displayed crap.
Ah well thats okay then, you where not misrepresenting what some people would consider a personal... rant(?) as a news piece after all.
 

Adam Jensen_v1legacy

I never asked for this
Sep 8, 2011
6,652
0
0
Treating their customers like morons is Microsoft's and EA's lifeblood though. They've been living off of that for years. You can't take that away from them. Really, you can't. They won't let you.
 

UncleO

New member
Jun 11, 2014
1
0
0
so his argument is basically what, Microsoft and EA we knew what to expect from leaks so you were boring, Sony we didn't know what to expect so we were so SURPRISED and happy?

The actual content of his article points out his bias, he mentions a bunch of smaller games for Sony, but nothing that Microsoft announced that was similar (phantom dust remake comparable to Grim Fandago remake, both niche titles when released that many missed out on). Is LBP really a surprise or a big deal? Everyone knew it was coming like they knew Forza Horizon 2 was coming, it is a hugely popular series of course it was coming.

An exclusive character in diablo is a huge deal? The game will sell like shit on consoles this makes no sense to me.

Also praises Ubisoft for assassin creed footage, sounds excited about coop, but that was shown at Microsofts event...so...
 

Redhawkmillenium

New member
May 5, 2011
65
0
0
Hey, as a big Mass Effect fan and Star Wars fan I really appreciated the look behind the scenes of those upcoming games.
 

kevinjohnson25

New member
May 6, 2011
4
0
0
I actually liked Microsoft's conference a lot. I thought Phil Spencer's opening was very classy and made it immediately apparent that the Xbox division was going to be different under his leadership. He didn't talk about consoles sold/shipped, number of people on Xbox Live, or any of that other stuff; he thanked the fans and got right to showing games. Was it spectacular? No. But it did the job well enough to wash the taste of last year's conference away. To use the baseball analogy, they didn't get hit by the pitch, they used a contact swing to put the ball in play and got on base. It's a safe strategy that gives them something to build on. They've got some great titles coming up (Sunset Overdrive is a system seller for me and the new Dead Rising 3 DLC looks like a ton of fun) and I think they did a good job showcasing them.

EA's conference was terrible. The Dragon Age gameplay demo was remarkable in that it was the first time I'd seen a gameplay demo that left me confused about the gameplay. Was I watching one player or several? All the cuts with no context just made it a mess. Everything else was either a bunch of hand-waving or irrelevant which really bothered me because I'm somewhat excited for some of these games. Or at least I wanted to be. The UFC demo should have been easy: get 2 people to play a round. Instead we get a choreographed sequence with Bruce Lee in it which just guarantees that Bruce Lee will win. Way to show off the dynamic nature of the game, EA! The Sims 4 demo ends with a Sim laughing himself to death at a party. I'll leave it at that. I honestly think EA would have been better of just saying, "Come by our booth and play some games!" in a press release.

The Sony conference was definitely they best. They had some what you expected and some nice surprises. They got into the corporate and media player stuff a little but had more than enough content to make up for it. We got to see games get played, trailers that actually got you excited, and some big time announcements (LBP3, Grim Fandango, Far Cry 4 letting you invite people that don't own the game? Epic!). It was a great way to end the day.

I missed the Ubisoft and Nintendo conferences so opinions there.
 

Brian Tams

New member
Sep 3, 2012
919
0
0
Honestly, Sony's presser wasn't all that great either. The only company that kept me glued to the screen wondering what was coming next was Nintendo, and they didn't even host a press conference. In fact, I'm beginning to wonder if maybe Nintendo is on to something by, instead of catering to E3, they instead cater directly to the fans.

Which makes me wonder if E3 is merely an expensive formality at this point.
 

Arawn

New member
Dec 18, 2003
515
0
0
Overall I was content to see all the games coming soon, and the games in progress. Who had the best show? Who cares? As many people has stated and restated; it's all about the games. The E3 is just a venue in which for them to parade their wares for all to see. Each of them try to put their best foot forward and display their products in a way to appeal to all. It's fun to see everything showcased like that. If you're too busy trying to figure out who win, you've lost. With the story the writer was disappointed to say the least in what was shown. Everyone expects something different so there's going to be some that feel the same way. I won't like that I want more, but that's the nature of the beast. Some nice betas, alphas, and promos being offered.
 

mrdude2010

New member
Aug 6, 2009
1,315
0
0
I'm calling bullshit on his praise of Sony. Trailers mean nothing. The only thing that matters is gameplay. Sony might as well have just got up onto the podium and farted for all the substance they showed us. Are we so quick to forget how nice the trailer for Dead Island was compared to the actual game?
 

Neurotic Void Melody

Bound to escape
Legacy
Apr 3, 2020
4,954
6
13
Nintendo, i like your style! It reflects oneself, fuck the false norm and do what you feel passionate about.
Escapist community, your style needs to pull itself out of its arseholes. Most columns are opinion based, no need to press elitist views here. Fuck, everything is an opinion. Cant people read between the lines anymore?
 

Kyogissun

Notably Neutral
Jan 12, 2010
520
0
0
This is easily one of the worst things have seen on this website and it being promoted in the NEWS tab instead of the FEATURES tab is absolutely disgusting.

I'll take the coverage of Mass Effect and Mirror's Edge that they did this year over hearing nothing. I'm FINE with piecemeal information. A BETTER criticism of the EA press conference would be to lump all sections of information together. Seeing the paint by numbers sports simulation bullshit mixed in with the COOL stuff I actually WANTED to see was what bothered me the most. And lumping in Criterion's creative genius in with the sports stuff is also quite honestly undermining their talent as developers, what with their WIP game looking like it'll be AMAZING.

And this praise for Ubisoft and Sony is disgusting. Co-op in Assassin's Creed, whoop dee god damn doo. They've killed that series for me with oversaturation in the same way I got fed up with CoD and haven't touched anything since MW2 and why I probably won't touch Hardline either. The Division looks like a direction-less Rainbow Six styled borderlands game. And COMPLETELY ignoring how much they covered Just Dance in the Ubisoft conference was quite a convenient thing for you to do!

Stop putting Sony and Ubisoft and Nintendo on some moral high ground, because they've ALL failed to do what they were supposed to:

Make me want their console over anything else out there in ADDITION to the gaming PC I already have.

It was a solid E3 all around this year, stop acting like anyone did anything better than others. For ONCE we FINALLY have an E3 where consistency was present on EVERYONE'S press conferences, so this constant need to debate and argue over who did something wrong or right is absolutely moronic. The ONE year the developers and publishers seem to NOT be treating us like stupid sheeple as you accuse them of thinking we are, people are claiming the opposite.

THIS is the kind of shit that makes me hate the gaming community. No consistency on opinions or logic.

tl;dr Save this tumblr/livejournal/forum posts level of complaining for where it belongs, especially when there's an obnoxious level of bias akin to that of some console fanboy during an extremely solid E3 where everyone delivered in a fantastic and all around praiseworthy manner.
 

RedDeadFred

Illusions, Michael!
May 13, 2009
4,896
0
0
Nimzabaat said:
J Tyran said:
No offence intended and I am only trying to be objectively critical but why is this news? Its obviously an opinion piece that contains no news and is more suited to being posted as a feature or article rather than news.
A massively biased opinion piece at that. I mean, reading the article I can't really tell what Microsoft did differently than Sony other than being Microsoft. They're both teasing games that are coming out this year and next. They both have some titles that are expected and some that aren't. Maybe this is supposed to be satire?
For me, this really read like a fanboy rant. That might be too harsh but those were the vibes I was getting from it. In all honesty, Microsoft probably had an equally decent press conference as Sony. Sony's games were a bit more exciting but they also had a really boring middle section where all they talked about was numbers, stats, etc. John conveniently left that part out.

I will say this though, out of the major developers who were there, Ubisoft did impress me the most so I guess he was right about part of it. Although, this is all just my opinion too so take what you want from it.

As far as E3 as a whole has gone, nothing has wowed me to the point where I'm going "I need to get that console for this game." Every game that I'm interested in will either be on PC (The Witcher 3) and/or on previous generation consoles (Far Cry 4).
 

DrOswald

New member
Apr 22, 2011
1,443
0
0
Hdawger said:
The fact that you liked Sony's Televisi- Err, I mean Games presentation more than Microsoft's tells me a lot. Personally, I care about the games, not about corporate suits coming out and talking about their new BS entertainment stuff, but to each their own I guess.
Sony showed more games I cared about in the first half hour than Microsoft did in their entire presentation. They earned the right to talk about TV for 15 minutes as far as I am concerned.
 

Johnson McGee

New member
Nov 16, 2009
516
0
0
Three people seeing red about this article's treatment of Microsoft that curiously have only one post each... Astroturf alert!

OT: Talking about EA treating us like idiots and not mentioning the Sims section where they basically spent 20 minutes explaining that the Sims is about creating a person and having them interact with others (as if there already hasn't been three other games in the series) is a big oversight.
 

elvor0

New member
Sep 8, 2008
2,320
0
0
This article is angry...way to angry to have not been written just off the cuff. This reads like the blog of an angry fanboy and not a professional magazine.

Microsoft, EA and Sonys presentations were about equal, most of the stuff didn't interest me, but there was nothing wrong with them in terms of game displayed, they just didn't interest me. There were things wrong with them, the smarmy "best on playsation/xbox" false smiles and PR spin, but this article addresses none of it. It just reads as a EA AND XBOX R SHITE PLAYSTATION FOR TEH WIN!!!11! HOO RAR!

Frankly I don't what you wanted from the Halo presentation, it was a big chunk of MS presentation, furthurmore, it was a rerelease of previous games, you know what's in them. They showed you what was new, with a bit of gameplay, what more do you want? Nevermind the point that ITS A FUCKING HALO GAME. Media coverage for this is going to be huge, it's going to be on the side of busses, on TV spots and in banner adds. You could ignore e3 all together and keep up with the happenings on Halo. (Case in point, Mr Keefer himself wrote the reveal article on Halo 5 himself, just last month) Just because it wasn't the first thing they showed, doesn't mean they downplayed the presentation at all. But no, one of the biggest games on the planet didn't get shown /first/ and 10 minutes is too short so I'm going to throw a hissy fit.

Also, I liked the behind the scene footage of Mass Effect 4, Mirrors Edge and Battlefront, they're games that are in early Alpha, and showing you snippets of what they've got so far is better than just saying "Mass Effect 4/Battlefront is a thing but we can't show you anything for another year at least" There was plenty of gameplay at MS and EAs conference. Clearly the games didn't interest you, which is fine, but lets not pretend Sony showed anymore than EA or MS, because they didn't.

Furthermore, I really, really hope you notice the hypocricy in complaining about Call of Duty then spin cartwheels over a new Assassins Creed. Now I enjoy Assassins Creed, but it's just as milked as Call of Duty. And The Division footage? So scripted you could practically hear the players rustling their script papers. The Order footage was nothing but a teaser as well, there was about 60 seconds of gameplay, accuented by some cinematics. There's some serious double standards and irrational company bashing, disguised behind being on our side. If the writer represents "us" I want to fucking change sides.

Lastly, did you actually watch Sonys conference? Because there was a LOT of filler. A fuck of a lot. They did a big numbers crunch and back pat in the middle, then spent a good 15 minutes spewing corporate dribble at me at the end.

Not only that, all those games you mentioned from Sonys presentation? Lets see:

Magicka: Trailer. A live action one at that.
Grim Fandango: Zilch.
Dead Island 2: CGI trailer, so zilch.
Bloodborne: Pre-rendered Trailer. you guessed it, zilch.
Let It Die: Cinematic. No gameplay.

And you're ragging on Microsoft for a lack of gameplay?

Actually just as an aside. You lost sleep over this, really? /Really/? I lose sleep over the fact that I'm so skint I have to worry about how I'm gonna pay the rent each month or that I can't find a job, or sometimes that I moved to a forigen country where I can't understand anyone and I feel a bit homesick. But over an E3 presentation? Of course not. That's just childish first world whining.

And how did this get through the editors, what happened to the quality control? What happened to thinking "I'm clearly quite angry now, maybe I should read this article back, or wait till tomorrow"?

PS: I do notice that this post itself is quite angry. But then it's difficult not to be aggressive when the original article contains nothing of value, and I'm not working for a professional magazine.

DrOswald said:
Hdawger said:
The fact that you liked Sony's Televisi- Err, I mean Games presentation more than Microsoft's tells me a lot. Personally, I care about the games, not about corporate suits coming out and talking about their new BS entertainment stuff, but to each their own I guess.
Sony showed more games I cared about in the first half hour than Microsoft did in their entire presentation. They earned the right to talk about TV for 15 minutes as far as I am concerned.
The keyword being "I". To me, and a lot of other people, it got right on their nerves. But then he did say "each to their own".
 

ciancon

Waiting patiently.....
Nov 27, 2009
612
0
0
I will agree that I didn't see the point in Dice talking about how good they've made Faith look in Mirror's Edge. It's a first-person game, who cares what the character looks like!?
 

Nimzabaat

New member
Feb 1, 2010
886
0
0
RedDeadFred said:
Nimzabaat said:
J Tyran said:
No offence intended and I am only trying to be objectively critical but why is this news? Its obviously an opinion piece that contains no news and is more suited to being posted as a feature or article rather than news.
A massively biased opinion piece at that. I mean, reading the article I can't really tell what Microsoft did differently than Sony other than being Microsoft. They're both teasing games that are coming out this year and next. They both have some titles that are expected and some that aren't. Maybe this is supposed to be satire?
For me, this really read like a fanboy rant. That might be too harsh but those were the vibes I was getting from it. In all honesty, Microsoft probably had an equally decent press conference as Sony. Sony's games were a bit more exciting but they also had a really boring middle section where all they talked about was numbers, stats, etc. John conveniently left that part out.

I will say this though, out of the major developers who were there, Ubisoft did impress me the most so I guess he was right about part of it. Although, this is all just my opinion too so take what you want from it.

As far as E3 as a whole has gone, nothing has wowed me to the point where I'm going "I need to get that console for this game." Every game that I'm interested in will either be on PC (The Witcher 3) and/or on previous generation consoles (Far Cry 4).
True enough! Though I couldn't help but notice that last year the complaint was that Microsoft wasn't talking about games. Now it's a complaint about Microsoft talking too much about games...

I also gotta say Ubisoft is getting pretty samey. I mean I liked AC4 and am enjoying Watch Dogs, but they're the same damn game. Even to the point that the faffing around is the best part. Well, with the exception of Watch Dogs: Gridlock Simulator (seriously the traffic AI needs a bit of work).
 

Sanunes

New member
Mar 18, 2011
626
0
0
I really wish EA didn't bother with Battlefront, Mass Effect, or Mirror's Edge because they games are too early in development to properly show. The catch is how much do you really want to see from their other games, I know seeing a little more from Dragon Age: Inquisition would have been nice, but I saw enough of Hardline to last me a lifetime.

I just wonder what the reaction would have been if they did what Ubisoft did years ago with Watch Dogs and make a presentation for Battlefront, Mass Effect, and Mirror's Edge that was pure CGI. Even if the response wasn't negative right now I can just see the comparisons to Ubisoft and "why didn't you learn anything"?

As far as who had the better or worse press conference I think they all were pretty average unless they were focusing on games you wanted specifically because then you would be excited to see the games you are waiting for.
 

Nurb

Cynical bastard
Dec 9, 2008
3,078
0
0
They won't stop if you keep giving them money (or sites stop accepting money to advertize for them)
 

Hyomoto

New member
Jun 29, 2013
4
0
0
I understand complaints this article is being listed as news (despite saying editorial), but beyond that, if you actually sat through these press conferences there was obvious differences. I'm surprised, genuinely surprised, more people have not had complaints with Microsoft's show for what they said. Every single game was prefaced with 'we are listening, we totally listened, we are so humbled, this is such an honor for us'. Okay fine, what's next? Oh, cinematic trailers? CoD showed gameplay, if you want to call it that, of which the majority was game cinematic. So, we know it has graphics, great. The gameplay they showed was comatose.

The only people I can see being excited by what Microsoft did are exactly who it is painfully obvious they targeted, XBox One owners. Sure, if you own one they spent a great deal of time explaining to you why you were so right to do so, but to anyone on the outside it just looked like desperate apologies and time they could have spent showing games. They could have come out and hit the audience hard with games and gameplay, and when it was done dropped the mic and walked off stage. THAT would have been focusing on the games, and it would have been a great show.

Instead we got speeches and music videos. We learned if you are a fan of racing and shooting, rejoice! That's what you'll get on XBox One. No room for niche titles like Entwined, they spent less than a minute showing off their indie offerings while Sony gave one center stage. As a person who has yet to have a reason to buy either a XBONE or PS4, if I was basing my decision solely on their two conferences there is no contest. Microsoft delivered a dull, sanitized, boring, paint-by-numbers show. You could have easily swapped the videos out for spreadsheets and powerpoint slides for the same effect.
 

Qvar

OBJECTION!
Aug 25, 2013
387
0
0
balfore said:
While I've loved what I've seen from Ubisoft (even though its starting to look a lot like Online FPS everywhere)they genuinely got me excited. And Nintendo underwhelmed me. While I'll say I'm not a huge Nintendo fan but they are just releasing sequels to a console I don't have, or don't want to purchase for sequels.
Unlike other great developers who are releasing totally original Halos, Assassins Creeds, FIFAs, Battlefields, CODs, Uncharteds...
Not saying that Nintendo is doing better but that sounds like hypocrisy to me.
 

RedDeadFred

Illusions, Michael!
May 13, 2009
4,896
0
0
Nimzabaat said:
RedDeadFred said:
Nimzabaat said:
J Tyran said:
No offence intended and I am only trying to be objectively critical but why is this news? Its obviously an opinion piece that contains no news and is more suited to being posted as a feature or article rather than news.
A massively biased opinion piece at that. I mean, reading the article I can't really tell what Microsoft did differently than Sony other than being Microsoft. They're both teasing games that are coming out this year and next. They both have some titles that are expected and some that aren't. Maybe this is supposed to be satire?
For me, this really read like a fanboy rant. That might be too harsh but those were the vibes I was getting from it. In all honesty, Microsoft probably had an equally decent press conference as Sony. Sony's games were a bit more exciting but they also had a really boring middle section where all they talked about was numbers, stats, etc. John conveniently left that part out.

I will say this though, out of the major developers who were there, Ubisoft did impress me the most so I guess he was right about part of it. Although, this is all just my opinion too so take what you want from it.

As far as E3 as a whole has gone, nothing has wowed me to the point where I'm going "I need to get that console for this game." Every game that I'm interested in will either be on PC (The Witcher 3) and/or on previous generation consoles (Far Cry 4).
True enough! Though I couldn't help but notice that last year the complaint was that Microsoft wasn't talking about games. Now it's a complaint about Microsoft talking too much about games...

I also gotta say Ubisoft is getting pretty samey. I mean I liked AC4 and am enjoying Watch Dogs, but they're the same damn game. Even to the point that the faffing around is the best part. Well, with the exception of Watch Dogs: Gridlock Simulator (seriously the traffic AI needs a bit of work).
When I was referring to how Ubisoft had impressed me I was mostly referring to Far Cry 4. I loved Far Cry 3 and what they have shown of 4 looks pretty fantastic to me. I don't really care about the new AC (although I enjoyed Black Flag a lot).
 

Nimzabaat

New member
Feb 1, 2010
886
0
0
RedDeadFred said:
Nimzabaat said:
True enough! Though I couldn't help but notice that last year the complaint was that Microsoft wasn't talking about games. Now it's a complaint about Microsoft talking too much about games...

I also gotta say Ubisoft is getting pretty samey. I mean I liked AC4 and am enjoying Watch Dogs, but they're the same damn game. Even to the point that the faffing around is the best part. Well, with the exception of Watch Dogs: Gridlock Simulator (seriously the traffic AI needs a bit of work).
When I was referring to how Ubisoft had impressed me I was mostly referring to Far Cry 4. I loved Far Cry 3 and what they have shown of 4 looks pretty fantastic to me. I don't really care about the new AC (although I enjoyed Black Flag a lot).
Yeah, Far Cry 4 looks awesome. Honey. Badgers. Wait, my mistake. Weaponized. Honey. Badgers.

Still though, I liked Far Cry 3 for the running around on the island bit just as much as the story. Though it was a more equal spread than in AC4 or WD. Also... Far Cry seems to have far less mandatory auto/easy fail missions. I think I might be done with Watch Dogs already just because I suck at driving missions :(
 

FalloutJack

Bah weep grah nah neep ninny bom
Nov 20, 2008
15,489
0
0
I kinda' hoped this was an article about Microsoft and EA shouting at us for treating them like morons.

I mean, they ARE morons, but they still must hate that.

My only real disappointment in this article, therefore, is that it isn't what I thought it was. I'm otherwise fine with it.
 

Strazdas

Robots will replace your job
May 28, 2011
8,407
0
0
Microsoft and EA will stop treating thier costumers like Idiots when their costumers stop acting like ones. If you keep preordering based on bullshots they keep giving you bullshots. if you keep praising them for a trialer they will continue to show it and if you keep treating E3 as anything but a showoff to shareholders then you will cotinue getting screwed over by what you see.

Xsjadoblayde said:
Most columns are opinion based, no need to press elitist views here.
thats hardly a good thing. just because most people do it does not make it a right thing. most people are racist, but im sure we would agre that we should not be racist just because most people are.