Educator Advocates California's Law Against Violent Games

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poiumty said:
WOMAN DOES THINGS
WHY IS SHE OUT OF THE KITCHEN


Mysoginist joke aside,
"That's because many experts believe the brutality our children are exposed to desensitizes them and contributes to aggressive and very unchildlike behavior."
*sniff*
Smells like oxen droppings.
Agree wholeheartedly, also 30 years of research on violent games? She'd have had to start that research in 1980 at the latest, I'm not sure Violent gaming's been around long enough for that, I too smell manure and it's none too fresh.

Can somebody find me the most violent game available during the mid to late 70's please?
 

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"Parents can't play every game" but reviewers can. And Parents can research the games plot, and gameplay and deem it 'to violent.'
 

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"Parents can't play every game" but reviewers can. And Parents can research the games plot, and gameplay and deem it 'to violent.'
 

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Hmmm. So parents are completely unequipped to judge a game because the violent bits might come later. After you've put Barbie on her horse and sent her trotting along to town to exchange makeup tips, she will then change into her camo and start bustin' caps in the local gangbangers? Um, no, Ms. Josel. The violence in a game goes with the subject matter and if you can't figure out that a game called "Mafia" is not right for your kids, getting the government to do your thinking for you isn't going to save little Johnny or Jenny.

And out of 4,028 high schoolers, only four and a half percent (I'm going to assume an equal number of boys and girls and split the two percentages listed) get excited by gaming? That's one hundred and eighty kids who really enjoy it. What are the remaining 3,848 doing? Ah, right, another twenty of the girls are getting in major fights and another eighty-one of 'em are packing heat, assuming of course that all the girls already listed as gamers are gun-toting fistfighters. Wonder how many of the other students are armed and have a tendancy to throw punches. Maybe this survey was taken in one of those fringe schools with rumbles and such.

Ms. Josel, please sit down and stop spewing your drivel where the rest of us have to step in it. Your arrogance makes me wonder just what other nonsense you give to your students as fact. Oh, and the "absorbing, interactive, potentially addictive, and, on many occasions, violent" label you slapped on video games can also be attached to another popular school pursuit: drama class. So if you're planning on warning folks against the evils of "Neverwinter Nights", be sure to keep "Hamlet" and "Carousel" away from the teens too. Who knows what ideas they might form with those horrors.
 

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moretimethansense said:
poiumty said:
WOMAN DOES THINGS
WHY IS SHE OUT OF THE KITCHEN


Mysoginist joke aside,
"That's because many experts believe the brutality our children are exposed to desensitizes them and contributes to aggressive and very unchildlike behavior."
*sniff*
Smells like oxen droppings.
Agree wholeheartedly, also 30 years of research on violent games? She'd have had to start that research in 1980 at the latest, I'm not sure Violent gaming's been around long enough for that, I too smell manure and it's none too fresh.

Can somebody find me the most violent game available during the mid to late 70's please?
Donkey Kong maybe?
 

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I got another solution, parents should actually try being parents and spend time with their children.. oh wait but that would actually fix the problom.
Assume the law is in place and minors can't just buy M rated games. Now their parents have to go in and get it for them. Their attention will be much more likely to be drawn to the game and the content as described on the back. Now they're paying at least a bit more attention to what their son/daughter is playing and will hopefully not buy it. Now they don't walk in on a decapitation and complain on Fox News. Where is the problem with this?
The problem is they won't, the kids will whine and the parents will cave exactly like that which happens now(hell that's how I got my games).
All that will change is gaming will have been fucked by pointless laws for absolutely no reason and no longer enjoy the protection of any other artistic medium.
 

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The daft thing is, restricting violent video games sales to children is surely a good thing, along with dvds of movies and TV?

Is there no way we can make this happen without casting video games into some pit of artless condemnation?

I'm assuming there's too much cash in Hollywood, and so the laws on DVD ratings won't change?
 

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psrdirector said:
I got another solution, parents should actually try being parents and spend time with their children.. oh wait but that would actually fix the problom.
This right here is exactly what I've been telling people for the last 6 months. At what point does it become the parents responsibility to raise their own children?.

It's ridiculous.
 

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Greg Tito said:
I'm not sure how she correlates the 4% of girls who get into fights with videogame play; there is no indication that they are the same 3% who are "problem" gamers.
3% of girls have a gaming problem. 8% of girls carry a weapon. Therefore, 3% of girls are insane gamers and 5% are... just insane...?

(Sigh.) Dubious studies bandied about by people with no math skills who want to sound authoritative by using the word "percent" a lot. After all, 25% is so much more accurate than "one quarter"!

If you want dubious correlations, we could compare her "save the children from evil" stance with her predecessor, Pat Pulling, who once claimed that 8 percent of the Richmond [VA]-area population is involved with Satanic worship at some level [http://www.rpgstudies.net/stackpole/pulling_report.html]. That's 56,000 people. A number she arrived at by adding 4% of teenagers and 4% of adults.

See? Math are smart making!
 

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SenseOfTumour said:
The daft thing is, restricting violent video games sales to children is surely a good thing, along with dvds of movies and TV?

Is there no way we can make this happen without casting video games into some pit of artless condemnation?

I'm assuming there's too much cash in Hollywood, and so the laws on DVD ratings won't change?
Well there's :
The ERSB,
The PEGI ratings board,
The BBFC,
The fact that most places ID check nowadays
Also(and this is a crazy thought) the parents could just check the fucking ratings right on the fucking box!
It's not that fucking hard.
 

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Greg Tito said:
"The California law is important because a parent cannot play the game and make decisions for themselves."
Oh that right there is pure gold! So she's basically saying that all parents are incompetent!
I sure hope she doesn't mind if I quote her on that.
 

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moretimethansense said:
SenseOfTumour said:
The daft thing is, restricting violent video games sales to children is surely a good thing, along with dvds of movies and TV?

Is there no way we can make this happen without casting video games into some pit of artless condemnation?

I'm assuming there's too much cash in Hollywood, and so the laws on DVD ratings won't change?
Well there's :
The ERSB,
The PEGI ratings board,
The BBFC,
The fact that most places ID check nowadays
Also(and this is a crazy thought) the parents could just check the fucking ratings right on the fucking box!
It's not that fucking hard.
Well, indeed. It's not us that need convincing however, we can understand the concept of numbers on a box meaning 'not suitable for people under the age of'.

I rather meant passing it as a law, is there no way this could happen to both games and dvds, like in the UK, without it declaring that they have no artistic merit, or is this one of those constitution things?
 

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Greg Tito said:
The California law is important because a parent cannot play the game and make decisions for themselves.
WRONG. That is one of the most willfully ignorant statements I have heard out of these people.
 

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250% of Me surveyed finds that 68% of Me finds this ***** insufferable. Also another 654% find her lack of facts ridiculous. Finally 984% of Me surveyed found that this old bitty had an agenda and would blame nearly anything to sell more of her hippie bullshit books.
 

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SenseOfTumour said:
moretimethansense said:
SenseOfTumour said:
The daft thing is, restricting violent video games sales to children is surely a good thing, along with dvds of movies and TV?

Is there no way we can make this happen without casting video games into some pit of artless condemnation?

I'm assuming there's too much cash in Hollywood, and so the laws on DVD ratings won't change?
Well there's :
The ERSB,
The PEGI ratings board,
The BBFC,
The fact that most places ID check nowadays
Also(and this is a crazy thought) the parents could just check the fucking ratings right on the fucking box!
It's not that fucking hard.
Well, indeed. It's not us that need convincing however, we can understand the concept of numbers on a box meaning 'not suitable for people under the age of'.

I rather meant passing it as a law, is there no way this could happen to both games and dvds, like in the UK, without it declaring that they have no artistic merit, or is this one of those constitution things?
Constitution,
We the UK can have legally binding ratings and place bans on works of art.
The US can't, this law would need to declare games as not being an art form andf as such not subject to the protections of the first amendment to the constitution,
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Also in case you havn't noticed America is basically run by hyper conservotive religious fundamentalists that would try to ban anything with any violance, sexual themes, "naughty langage" or anything that even looked like it decryed Christ While not all attempts would be succsessful, it would be enough to hold back gaming as an art form for decades.