Election results discussion thread (and sadly the inevitable aftermath)

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Well as it turns out with all the barking, yowling and howling from Trump, his campaign, his legal team and his death cult, the election wasn't close at all:
www.nbcnews.com

With nearly all votes counted, the 2020 presidential election wasn’t that close

First Read is your briefing from "Meet the Press" and the NBC Political Unit on the day's most important political stories and why they matter.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

TL DR of the 2000s presidents, only Obama's 08 win was larger than Biden's 2020 win. Biden's win outstrips Trump's 2016 win, Obama's 2012 and both of Bush's wins. At this point the cult's only change to win is either over-turning millions of votes without proof a single one is fraudulent, using faithless electors to overthrow the vote, or starting an armed coup and using the military to install Trump as president for life. One of those is not going to happen, and the other two I wouldn't put it past them to try.
 
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Silvanus said:
Back on topic: Jim Troupis leads the Trump legal team's efforts in the partial recount in Wisconsin.

Part of Troupis' argument has been that "in-person absentee" ballots (i.e., ballots cast early in person by those who know they won't be present on election day) should be thrown out, as he alleges that's illegal (it isn't).
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I think (sorry, lawyers), lawyers are pretty much intrinsically people you pay to argue what you want, not what they think.
 
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I imagine they just call every single lawfirm in the USA one by one and asks if they'd like to make a shitload of cash and favors from the Prez if they are ready to throw ethics and sanity to the wind and go along with some zany lawsuits.
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I totally get Giuliani. A faded lawyer at the end of a long and once-distinguished career with a lot of alimony payments to make has an incredibly obvious reason to hitch his cart to a famously litigious billionaire.

The ones that still have ambition, self-respect and care for their reputation are vacating the area.
 
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Agema said:
I think (sorry, lawyers), lawyers are pretty much intrinsically people you pay to argue what you want, not what they think.
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Yes and no.

Yes: they represent you in court and argue your best case that they are willing to sign on for.

No: There are ethical constraints that effectively require a lawyer to not just make the argument that the client wants, but the one that he believes is legally permissible and based in the facts as the attorney believes them to be true. Now, this is extremely flexible, to the point that there's a often-told story to law students of President Lincoln's legal career, where he famously argued two sides of the same facts (but different cases):
Another fun court case to re-enact took place in Macon County. Have you ever heard of a lawyer so good that he could win both sides of a case? This is exactly what Lincoln did. The case involved the stealing of pigs and slander. In David Adkins vs. Robert Hines, it seems that Hines accused Adkins of stealing five sows and five hogs. Stephen Douglas represented Adkins, while Lincoln and John Stuart represented Hines. Hines had been heard to slander Adkins, so Lincoln took a daring course in his arguments, saying YES, Hines had accused Adkins of stealing pigs. But this was not slander, because Hines was a pig thief! Douglas argued that it was impossible for Adkins to have stolen those pigs. He was visiting friends 20 miles away on the day the pigs were stolen. This argument was dismissed and Lincoln won the first round.

Because of Lincoln’s tactics, Adkins was then arrested and tried for being a hog thief. Adkins couldn’t afford a lawyer so the courts appointed one, Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln used the witness that Douglas had found proving that Adkins was out of town, so Adkins was acquitted. The case was settled for the defendant. Not many lawyers can claim to have won the same case twice, winning for both sides!
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Houseman said:
Could be. We'll see. That guy on twitter said he was going to reveal all the info on Monday.
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Where are we at with this? The working day is over, and all I can see on Matt Braynard's twitter currently is a post asking for people to send more money.
 
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But he's got a fancy chair to do nothing from now! It's really inspirational to talk about over brunch!
 
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Samtemdo8 said:
So what's been going on since that fateful day?
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Biden clearly won. Trump is refusing to concede. Almost every legal challenge they've been making has been tossed out in court as unsubstantiated and the ones that remain are effectively pending dismissal.

Biden's been working on the transition, though without the usual GSA assistance and more and more republicans are speaking out calling for the president to at least begin transition procedures, even if the president claims victory. Today, the Republicans du jur are a collection of national security experts.


Beyond that, just the usual slinging of conspiracy theories by Trump supporters, attempts to counter them with facts, and leftists complaining Biden isn't the socialist revolutionary they want.
 
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SilentPony said:
Well as it turns out with all the barking, yowling and howling from Trump, his campaign, his legal team and his death cult, the election wasn't close at all:
www.nbcnews.com

With nearly all votes counted, the 2020 presidential election wasn’t that close

First Read is your briefing from "Meet the Press" and the NBC Political Unit on the day's most important political stories and why they matter.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

TL DR of the 2000s presidents, only Obama's 08 win was larger than Biden's 2020 win. Biden's win outstrips Trump's 2016 win, Obama's 2012 and both of Bush's wins. At this point the cult's only change to win is either over-turning millions of votes without proof a single one is fraudulent, using faithless electors to overthrow the vote, or starting an armed coup and using the military to install Trump as president for life. One of those is not going to happen, and the other two I wouldn't put it past them to try.
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You know I actually doubt that article.

Some back of the beermat maths

Smallest vote difference in states that Biden won which would give Trump a win

4,000 Nevada
11,000 Arizona
13,000 Georgia
20,000 Wisconsin

Total votes in it. 48,000.

The article is arguing overall popular vote numbers which in the end don't win the election the swing states tend to.

The lowest I can get it for Trump vs Hillary is

55,000

44,000 Pensylvania
11,000 Michigan
 
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Silvanus said:
Uh, I don't know if you've actually looked at that guy's twitter, but he's clearly not in favour of the idea. He's being sarcastic in response to Atkins.

So nobody has unironically suggested "marking supporters" there.
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And the others?

There were more than that 1 guy in my post lol

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Almost as if violent racists are more of a concern than randos mouthing off about Trump!

And almost as if there's a difference in scale between a group of 2,400+ subscribers and 2 people on Twitter!
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Are we ignoring the democrat who was on about Rothchild weather machines before?


Silvanus said:
Yeah, I'm sure a bunch of people using Nazi symbolism and targeting ethnic groups aren't a danger to anyone. /s
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People still haven't learned to be sceptical of claims after Jussie Smollett........

Did anyone just hear the wind says something?
 
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