Election results discussion thread (and sadly the inevitable aftermath)

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Houseman

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Edit: oh and according to the Texas Department of Public Safety their "business" license expires at the end of this year, and in fact didn't exist before this year, which is crazy for a business that's been running since at least 2018. Crazy time traveling cops.
This site says that their incorporation date was 2017:

This page lists "permit issue dates" in 2018 and 2017


Are you suggesting that they registered a fake business in 2017 for the purpose of trying to get an election overturned in 2020?
 

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This site says that their incorporation date was 2017:

This page lists "permit issue dates" in 2018 and 2017


Are you suggesting that they registered a fake business in 2017 for the purpose of trying to get an election overturned in 2020?
Dude it's 10 minutes of googling, it's good enough for the level of journalistic ability that's accepted these days
 

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Dude it's 10 minutes of googling, it's good enough for the level of journalistic ability that's accepted these days
It's also more investigation than you and Houseman did before accepting it as gospel so... pot meet kettle?
 
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That's just the name of the company. They registered the company name in 2017, and paid taxes on that. And haven't done anything with it.
So would I put it past them to have set up an excuse for Trump to have lost years ago, given that Russel Ramsland Jr. is a right wing conspiracy theory author who believes the Russian investigation was a hoax? Hmm, yeah that sounds like something they would do.

Also errors I missed in a timeline aside, which I'll admit I didn't find those documents when I searched, still doesn't explain why he wrote an affidavit about Georgian voting and mixed up Michigan and Minnesota
 

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That's just the name of the company. They registered the company name in 2017, and paid taxes on that. And haven't done anything with it.
So would I put it past them to have set up an excuse for Trump to have lost years ago, given that Russel Ramsland Jr. is a right wing conspiracy theory author who believes the Russian investigation was a hoax? Hmm, yeah that sounds like something they would do.
Do you think Trump got pissed on in Moscow?
 

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That's just the name of the company. They registered the company name in 2017, and paid taxes on that. And haven't done anything with it.
So would I put it past them to have set up an excuse for Trump to have lost years ago, given that Russel Ramsland Jr. is a right wing conspiracy theory author who believes the Russian investigation was a hoax? Hmm, yeah that sounds like something they would do.
I dunno, it sounds like a conspiracy theory to suggest that they registered and paid for a company years in advance, on the off-chance that Trump would lose the election, so that they can participate in a legal battle about voting fraud.
 

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I dunno, it sounds like a conspiracy theory to suggest that they registered and paid for a company years in advance, on the off-chance that Trump would lose the election, so that they can participate in a legal battle about voting fraud.
Trump still hasn't admitted he lost the 2016 popular vote! He hasn't gotten over the election he won, claiming there were millions of illegal votes and the Government had to look into it.

Now to be fair, yes, its only a theory, and yeah it does involve a conspiracy. But given Trump's cultists ability to just make shit up and their inability to accept reality I would say its more likely they're making up evidence of fraud, and using random conservative owned companies as evidence than it is a massive democratic run voter fraud ring involving millions of illegal votes has been going on since 2016, and was uncovered in 2018 and no one noticed until 2020.
 

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Trump still hasn't admitted he lost the 2016 popular vote! He hasn't gotten over the election he won, claiming there were millions of illegal votes and the Government had to look into it.

Now to be fair, yes, its only a theory, and yeah it does involve a conspiracy. But given Trump's cultists ability to just make shit up and their inability to accept reality I would say its more likely they're making up evidence of fraud, and using random conservative owned companies as evidence than it is a massive democratic run voter fraud ring involving millions of illegal votes has been going on since 2016, and was uncovered in 2018 and no one noticed until 2020.
I will believe it if something actually happens. When Trump leaves office, I won't believe it anymore. It's very simple, really - if he isn't good enough to uncover this conspiracy, then there's no reason for me to root for him anymore. If there was no conspiracy to begin with, then why would I continue to believe it despite there being no evidence? The very fact that Trump is signaling he'll blow it open gives me hope that this will be exciting. I'm not a cultist, foreign politics is like free entertainment for me.
 

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Also A1 Shredding seems to be concerned about something and wants to get the FBI involved

 

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Are you suggesting that they registered a fake business in 2017 for the purpose of trying to get an election overturned in 2020?
Yes, I am. Or more accurately, I'm saying Ramsland set up a sham company called "Allied SPECIAL Operations Group, LLC" years ago and recently changed the name to "Allied *Security* Operations Group" to pretend to be election security experts and promote conspiracy theories about how the Dems stole the election through hacking that could be parroted as expertise by Lou Dobbs and Epoch Times. And they acquired the "ASOG[.]US" URL from a company called American Security And Operations Group International LLC earlier this year, and the dumb fucks bought the domain while ASOG was still officially called ""Allied SPECIAL Operations Group" (which, despite having a business license, had no functional website, no contact info, no customers and no discernable purpose other than to donate money to Republican PACs).

And since I do this for a living and have written about election security for years, I can say pretty confidently that Allied Security Operations Group isn't legit and Ramsland is most certainly NOT an election security expert. For one, no one in the infosec space would carelessly leave their WhoIs data exposed to the public like that. And two... no one fucking capitalizes "PEN testing" (it's penetration testing or pen testing), nor would they ever use the term "deep web." JFC...


Dude it's 10 minutes of googling, it's good enough for the level of journalistic ability that's accepted these days
More like 20 minutes in my case, but who's counting?
 
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You're embarrassing yourselves. There's no conspiracy. No one's gonna risk decades in prison for this shit. Especially not when the GOP is essentially in power everywhere. If there was any evidence, it would have been presented to the courts already. And it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the nation that elected Obama twice wasn't gonna elect someone like Donald Trump (who lost the popular vote back when he was more popular than today) again. Wake the fuck up.

The very fact that Trump is signaling he'll blow it open gives me hope that this will be exciting. I'm not a cultist
You kinda are, though. You basically said that the fact that a compulsive liar is telling you something gives you hope. Which means that you don't realize that Trump is a compulsive liar. To be that clueless about Trump at this stage demands a cultish level of devotion to the man.
 
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@Iron @Houseman

You're embarrassing yourselves. There's no conspiracy. No one's gonna risk decades in prison for this shit. Especially not when the GOP is essentially in power everywhere. If there was any evidence, it would have been presented to the courts already. And it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the nation that elected Obama twice wasn't gonna elect someone like Donald Trump (who lost the popular vote back when he was more popular than today) again. Wake the fuck up.
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I will believe it if something actually happens. When Trump leaves office, I won't believe it anymore. It's very simple, really - if he isn't good enough to uncover this conspiracy, then there's no reason for me to root for him anymore. If there was no conspiracy to begin with, then why would I continue to believe it despite there being no evidence? The very fact that Trump is signaling he'll blow it open gives me hope that this will be exciting. I'm not a cultist, foreign politics is like free entertainment for me.
 

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Okay so ummm...Section 6 says they can describe the location if they're in a rural location.
So I took a random address, Hartley Bridge Road apt 216. Found it. Its literally just across the street. The dude simply didn't look the other direction. Its more nothing dressed up as something.
 
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