Election results discussion thread (and sadly the inevitable aftermath)

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The after-hours counter also has video of her that appears to show her covertly passing off a USB drive. Here's a clear video and breakdown by some guy, idk.
Yes, conspiracies are everywhere. It's not like there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for why someone would need a USB drive at a polling place. It must be a voter fraud conspiracy. It must be exactly what the guy in the video says it probably is. Can't be anything else. And don't even bother learning about various procedures that occur during voting and counting. That will just screw with your mind. Trust your instincts. It's those dirty Dems stealing the election with demonic USB drives.

Desperate doesn't even begin to describe your state of mind these days.
 
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Sure, its been so one sided. No one on the Left took the strategies of the event that shall not be named and saw how effective it was and just copied it. /s

But hey, Free Speech. I'm always told how unequivocally good it is. You should be grateful for the now standard practice for the last 6 years. Because Free Speech
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I said it's normalized now, nothing more, nothing less. Normalized thanks to twitter users doxxing people for saying racial slurs and feeling vindicated in hurting those people.
 

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Dwarvenhobble: "Saying 'Kill all the Jews!' is a bad thing."
Me: "Dwarvenhobble is promoting genocide! Listen to this quote he said earlier: 'Kill all the Jews!'"
Everyone: "Avnger is wrong."
Me: "How dare you say I'm wrong! All I did was quote Dwarvenhobble!"
Any evidence that this is what happened this time?
 

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Yes, conspiracies are everywhere. It's not like there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for why someone would need a USB drive at a polling place.
Then why not just hand it to the person openly, and in plain view? Why palm it and look around nervously?
Why aren't all official USB drives to be used on bright, neon-colored lanyards that make it clear to everyone that it's an approved device?

Kind of like how all the people who are approved to be there are wearing lanyards and ID cards that are in plain view at all times, making it clear to everyone?
 
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I said it's normalized now, nothing more, nothing less. Normalized thanks to twitter users doxxing people for saying racial slurs and feeling vindicated in hurting those people.
Nah, man. They didn't normalise it. The future Cancellers saw a bunch of Tea Party peeps doxxing everyone they didnt like in 2014. (I remember the doxxing on Zoe Quinn before that because they didn't like Depression Quest.) They copied it because Twitter did nothing. Even when everyone said doxxing was a problem and was going to get out of hand. Maybe we should do something about it. But we were told it was Free Speech

It's been tit for tat since then. I'm not going to pretend the Wokescolds or Dirtbags are right here. I'm also not going to pretend that right attacks dont exist.
 
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Then why not just hand it to the person openly, and in plain view? Why palm it and look around nervously?
You're definitely not seeing and interpreting things to fit your pathetic narrative. No, sir. Not you. Someone else might do something like that, but you are a stand-up guy and you would never, ever make a mistake like that.
 

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Sure, its been so one sided. No one on the Left took the strategies of the event that shall not be named and saw how effective it was and just copied it. /s

But hey, Free Speech. I'm always told how unequivocally good it is. You should be grateful for the now standard practice for the last 6 years. Because Free Speech
When did free speech become freedom to try and destroy a persons life again?
 

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Nah, man. They didn't normalise it. The future Cancellers saw a bunch of Tea Party peeps doxxing everyone they didnt like in 2014. (I remember the doxxing on Zoe Quinn before that because they didn't like Depression Quest.) They copied it because Twitter did nothing. Even when everyone said doxxing was a problem and was going to get out of hand. Maybe we should do something about it. But we were told it was Free Speech

It's been tit for tat since then. I'm not going to pretend the Wokescolds or Dirtbags are right here. I'm also not going to pretend that right attacks dont exist.
Um you do know the expanded evidence on what happened to Zoe shows the person came into an already established thread and the picture posted was titled "My_picture.JPG" also the rest of the thread was mostly denouncing the person calling for such stuff?

Or are you talking about the forbidden events of mid 2014 not the earlier ones in 2014 which (the earlier events) were admitted to have been published without verifying the information and just based on the words of Zoe alone?

Also it was the likes of Jim Sterling and Adam Sessler years earlier who supported the idea of doxxing people


People were saying even back then it wasn't right but no-one was listening because people "On the right side of history" couldn't possible be acting like zealous witch hunters or anything.
 

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When did free speech become freedom to try and destroy a persons life again?
IDK exactly. Online, at least 2012. Neera has been doing it to left and right since 2006ish. i doubt she was the only one. I'm pretty sure Antifa and NeoNazi were doing it to each other online before then. Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich did it to their own party before moving onto the Dems. LBJ liked taking people out. Disney did it as well. Yellow journalism, red and lavender scares, groups either side of the Temperance movement, McCarthyism and all the jank leading up to the Civil War was pretty much people using Free Speech to destroy each other. Free Speech being used to destroy people's live is very normal

Why do you think people were talking about 'banning hate speech' all those years ago? It was their solution to this problem. But getting rid of section 230 will probably cure it, as platforms would have to ban everything that remotely looks like hate speech
 
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Um you do know the expanded evidence on what happened to Zoe shows the person came into an already established thread and the picture posted was titled "My_picture.JPG" also the rest of the thread was mostly denouncing the person calling for such stuff?

Or are you talking about the forbidden events of mid 2014 not the earlier ones in 2014 which (the earlier events) were admitted to have been published without verifying the information and just based on the words of Zoe alone?

Also it was the likes of Jim Sterling and Adam Sessler years earlier who supported the idea of doxxing people


People were saying even back then it wasn't right but no-one was listening because people "On the right side of history" couldn't possible be acting like zealous witch hunters or anything.
Yep, I've criticised Jim for this. It's a bad take.. Antifa says it too to 'shine light on fascist.'
 

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When it's convenient for you. Don't play the game if you hate the rules that your side wrote.
My side?

The side that thinks you answer speech with speech unless it's so egregious and maliciously damaging it should go to courts?

Because you seem to be under the impression there are only two sides here not far more some of whom also still will be facing off against your side.


IDK exactly. Online, at least 2012. Neera has been doing it to left and right since 2006ish. i doubt she was the only one. I'm pretty sure Antifa and NeoNazi were doing it to each other online before then. Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich did it to their own party before moving onto the Dems. LBJ liked taking people out. Disney did it as well. Yellow journalism, red and lavender scares, groups either side of the Temperance movement, McCarthyism and all the jank leading up to the Civil War was pretty much people using Free Speech to destroy each other. Free Speech being used to destroy people's live is very normal
Good point. Shame we apparently haven't learned from said history yet. I mean hell you could go even further back to Witch trials lol

Why do you think people were talking about 'banning hate speech' all those years ago? It was their solution to this problem. But getting rid of section 230 will probably cure it, as platforms would have to ban everything that remotely looks like hate speech
The funny thing about section 230 removal is it will result in the removal of things deemed hate speech on both sides not just one. So no activists calling Black Trump Supporters "Uncle Tom's" and far worse (which I have seen happening). The funny thing being if "Hate Speech" laws came in and were equally applied it would be surprising to see how many people got hit who also claimed they were "On the right side of history".
 

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The funny thing about section 230 removal is it will result in the removal of things deemed hate speech on both sides not just one. So no activists calling Black Trump Supporters "Uncle Tom's" and far worse (which I have seen happening). The funny thing being if "Hate Speech" laws came in and were equally applied it would be surprising to see how many people got hit who also claimed they were "On the right side of history".
I was far more for Hate Speech laws back in the day. Once Cancellers started copying the same tactics, I dropped the idea.

Also, I would have included terms like racist and TERF in hate speech laws. Also, other than Dankula, was there any other major missteps with hate speech laws in the UK? Because we've pretty much had nothing here
 

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That would be great.
What an insanely unsustainable standard.

Hey, I'm under the impression that Trump abused his office by funnelling federal money towards... oh, let's say a clothing shop his wife likes. A video on Youtube is my source; it shows a video showing Trump signing some papers. They MIGHT just be papers to do with his job... but they MIGHT be papers signing federal money away to Topshop. Who knows! We're concerned and need to know for sure! Grounds for an official DOJ investigation, then?
 

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What an insanely unsustainable standard.

Hey, I'm under the impression that Trump abused his office by funnelling federal money towards... oh, let's say a clothing shop his wife likes. A video on Youtube is my source; it shows a video showing Trump signing some papers. They MIGHT just be papers to do with his job... but they MIGHT be papers signing federal money away to Topshop. Who knows! We're concerned and need to know for sure! Grounds for an official DOJ investigation, then?
You people don't understand context, I swear.

We're talking about election security, remember? If there's anything suspicious in an election, an investigation should be launched.
 

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In another 4 years (or sooner), if this issue isn't cleared up to the satisfaction of all parties, do you think that the Republicans, who still feel that they've been wronged, won't retaliate in some way? So isn't it in everyone's best interest to do just that? I'm just using my safety imagination here, but I guess that makes me a nerd.
You don't give a young child what it wants every time it throws a tantrum, otherwise you merely teach it that tantrums get results and it'll throw them forever. Or you could view it as like putting a professor of geography up against a flat earther to debate whether the Earth is spherical, and declaring the conclusion must be half-way in-between. The satisfaction you want is unreasonable and based on a lie. It doesn't merit being met.

I love this idea "the Republicans are going retaliate". What a laugh! Perhaps you didn't notice, but they deliberately stacked SCOTUS by appointing a nominee in utter hypocrisy to what they argued four years before just because they could. I didn't hear you guys sitting around saying "Mm, maybe we shouldn't, the Democrats might retaliate", you were too busy whooping and hollering with excitement at the opportunity to skew the justice system your way for decades. The Republicans declared no-holds-barred war long ago, and haven't shown the slightest inclination of backing down. Unity is dead. Amity is dead. Constructive co-operation is dead. It is nothing but retaliation and naked grasping power, and that's how you and your boys have wanted it: our way or no way. The Republicans would not dream of offering the Democrats an inch, so the Democrats don't owe you one either. Sure, this will mean the USA will probably collapse into civil war or secession eventually, but that'll basically just be because of what Americans themselves wanted.

It's corroborated by not one, not two, but several affidavits that republican poll workers, when they were escorted out, everyone else cheered, and that there were people who were only there to agitate the republicans whenever their mask slipped, or they got more than six feet closer to anyone.

So it seems very likely to be true.
Firstly, I don't really give a monkey's if the staff cheered when Republican observers were ejected for breaking regulations. It ain't a crime to cheer arseholes who break safety guidelines being shown the door. Maybe the Republican poll watchers shouldn't have broken regulations and got themselves thrown out, and maybe the counters might have been more friendly if you hadn't spent months calling them corrupt before they'd even started their job.

Seems to me all the bogus complaints that have flooded in are evidence that Republican poll watchers were there in bad faith. Lots of these affidavits are bullshit. Vague accusations of suspicions from which no conclusion can be drawn and in some cases are just insanity. Bless, your "chaotic good" women, allegedly fresh out of a suspended sentence for computer crime so I hear (!), declared by a judge to not be credible, hurling random accusations she can't hope to back up, and putting up pics of her and Giuliani on the social media accounts that she claimed in the hearing that public hostility had forced her to close down.

Well I guess the election isn't so important after all. If you can't dedicate resources to having a safe and secure election, then your priorities are backwards. You get what you pay for.
Indeed you do. Remind me, which party runs the legislature in these states and thus oversees their election organisation, and which party is obsessed with cutting taxes?

Also, I like how you're saying both "we don't have enough resources to prevent fraud!", "there was no fraud! Our elections are safe and secure", and "how dare you suggest disenfranchising people by requiring ID" at the same time.
I like how you can't exercise reading comprehension.

Not all fraud can be prevented. The key is to have reasonable measures to restrict fraud, accepting that measures to further restrict fraud have considerable cost increases for diminishing returns. One might therefore set an approximate target for acceptable error. The reality is that the USA's anti-fraud funding appears to be adequate, because as Bill Barr -Trump's cronytastic best buddy head of the DoJ - put it: "To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election". Nor will you, because it doesn't exist. And everyone is bored stiff of you yammering away about fraud, fraud, fraud, empty affidavits, the dregs of social media bullshit, hysteria and rumour, and never ponying up one substantial claim yet.

The problem therefore with what you're saying is to slap a massive load of expensive regulations on elections that basically don't do anything. There's no meaningful fraud to prevent. And then you're complaining about fraud in the mail ballots to argue for voter ID used when they turn up to the polling station. As you are proposing a measure that will not prevent the fraud you claim is occurring, therefore you are dishonest and this is a scam to cover an ulterior motive.
 

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When did free speech become freedom to try and destroy a persons life again?
Because that's what free speech is. Didn't you get the memo?

People think hate crimes shouldn't exist, and if someone gets cyberbullied to suicide it just means they were a weakling who needed to toughen up. Got doxxed? Who gives a monkey's - what right is it of yours to stop someone saying what your contact details are?

Let it all be totally free, and let the destruction flow unimpeded.
 
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firstly, I don't really give a monkey's if the staff cheered when Republican observers were ejected for breaking regulations.
This is the same logic used to say that black people deserve whatever they get for breaking the law, I hope you realize that.
 

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This is the same logic used to say that black people deserve whatever they get for breaking the law, I hope you realize that.
I'm pretty sure that the issue is that quite a lot of black people do nothing but get targeted. As far as I've seen, these observers broke the actual rules.
 
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