Election results discussion thread (and sadly the inevitable aftermath)

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Silvanus

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Like you said, it would be an independent investigation.
Then why are you trusting it now? You said before that you don't trust the word of non-party-affiliated electoral officials, because you believe they have reason to lie. What changed?

I'm also taking to an active duty military guy and I asked him what he thought about the military running elections, and he's all for it.
Well there we go then, case closed. The way to ensure the integrity of an electoral contest is to place it under the protection of an armed force under the ultimate command of one of the candidates in that election. Makes perfect sense.
 
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Odd. It would neither inimidate or suppress me. What are you writing about? Also, I have photo ID.
Yeah but I'm guessing you don't have experience with armed authority assaulting and possibly murdering you.
 

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Does it really matter?
The forensic audit would only detect printed ballots, not anything else.
You don't collect fingerprints in order to determine the cause of death.
You don't do an autopsy to figure out a motive.
You also don't pre-determine something, and then deliberately only look for evidence which fits, make any evidence found fit, or only accept evidence found which fits, this pre-determination.
 

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You also don't pre-determine something, and then deliberately only look for evidence which fits, make any evidence found fit, or only accept evidence found which fits, this pre-determination.
The police can be pretty good at that when they really take against a suspect and want to fit them up.
 

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Well there we go then, case closed. The way to ensure the integrity of an electoral contest is to place it under the protection of an armed force under the ultimate command of one of the candidates in that election. Makes perfect sense.
To ensure democratic standards, we need to push for a military junta takeover... I mean, what?
 

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Hey remember when we thought arming school teachers as a response to school shootings would be the dumbest fucking thing conservatives would suggest. Well 2020 brought us "let the military run the elections". Good job dipshits, proving why you shouldn't be trusted with a toaster nevermind a gun.
 
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Hey remember when we thought arming school teachers as a response to school shootings would be the dumbest fucking thing conservatives would suggest. Well 2020 brought us "let the military run the elections". Good job dipshits, proving why you shouldn't be trusted with a toaster nevermind a gun.
A toaster?! That thing runs on electricity and can burn bread! I wouldn't trust conservatives with a glass of water!
 

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Odd. It would neither inimidate or suppress me. What are you writing about? Also, I have photo ID.
This honestly isn't meant as an insult:

That's because you're an older white, straight, cis, upper-middle-class male who politically identifies with "authorities" in general and the people who would be carrying the automatic weapons in particular.

It shouldn't be too hard to see why that's not the case for everyone though.
 

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While not intended as an insult, a less polite suggestion is that it is a failure of imagination to not be able to see why it would be intimidating to vote while surrounded by heavily armed soldiers who watches your every move. Especially if you are intending to vote for the party that said soldiers do not support.
doesn't understand how it's possible for people to dislike trump. He is incapable of understanding that there are people who don't think like him.
 

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A toaster?! That thing runs on electricity and can burn bread! I wouldn't trust conservatives with a glass of water!
I was going to take this to absurd lenghts by saying something like "I wouldn't trust conservatives to breathe responsibly". But thing being what they are, perhaps not so absurd.
 
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I was going to take this to absurd lenghts by saying something like "I wouldn't trust conservatives to breathe responsibly". But thing being what they are, perhaps not so absurd.
Oh no, existing as responsible humans is something conservatives gave up a long long long time ago. That's why they're conservative and at best think things should stay the same, if not go back to the way they used to be. Can you imagine the disfunction required to think the past is something to admire?
 

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Then why are you trusting it now? You said before that you don't trust the word of non-party-affiliated electoral officials, because you believe they have reason to lie. What changed?
This is a forensic investigation carried out by someone who isn't an election official.

You're focusing on the "non-party-affiliated" part. The more important thing is the "electoral official" part, because that carries the risk of "we investigated ourselves and found ourselves innocent"


Yeah but I'm guessing you don't have experience with armed authority assaulting and possibly murdering you.
Confusing "the police" with "the army" is one's personal error. Nobody has experience being mistreated by the army.
 

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Confusing "the police" with "the army" is one's personal error. Nobody has experience being mistreated by the army.
Missing the point and also incredibly wrong. "Nobody has experience being mistreated by the army" might be the most stupid thing you've said this year but you have a few hours yet.
 
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No Americans have experienced being mistreated by the army. Y'know, the people who would be voting. Context is a thing, pay attention to it.
 

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No Americans have experienced being mistreated by the army. Y'know, the people who would be voting. Context is a thing, pay attention to it.
Seriously what world are you from? No Americans have experienced being mistreated by the army?! Are you simply not counting the actual Americans who make up the army?



Or perhaps you'd simply like to ask Native American tribes if they feel like the US army has a history of mistreatment? Or maybe Kent State when the Ohio National Guard gunned down peaceful US citizens protesting the Vietnam War?

I mean seriously the fuck world do you live in?
 
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No Americans have experienced being mistreated by the army. Y'know, the people who would be voting. Context is a thing, pay attention to it.
Because the US Military is not on active, armed duty in American towns and cities. Which you're suggesting we change.

Why should we trust an organisation which has been guilty of grotesquely, criminally mistreating anyone? Should we trust them more because they've heretofore only murdered people far away, where they had greater opportunity?

This is a forensic investigation carried out by someone who isn't an election official.

You're focusing on the "non-party-affiliated" part. The more important thing is the "electoral official" part, because that carries the risk of "we investigated ourselves and found ourselves innocent"
That's a fair enough distinction.
 
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