Enslaved As It Should Have Been

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It makes me wonder why creators do this. Adapt works when they don't intend to follow the source, I mean. In that case, why not just create their own IP?
*cough*DmC*cough*

And to be honest about it, if anyone were ever going to make a video game out of Journey to the West (or most other legends), they should just stick as closely to them as possible while downplaying the boring parts. Otherwise, they shouldn't try to pass it off as the original (example, God of War is not called "The Adventures of Hercules"). Legends are already fantastical enough, you don't need to change the setting to capture the player's imagination. It'd be like taking Star Wars and setting it in medieval times. It's just unnecessary. It's so hard to fuck up adapting a good legend as it is. I mean, why the fuck isn't there a game about Thor and Ragnarok out there already? Who the hell wouldn't want to play as THE GOD OF THUNDER as he traverses the land to fight all sort of nasty creatures? If you turn Thor into something generic like a space marine and the Midgar Serpent into a robot, you've lost most of the originality of the legend. We've seen this kind of setting in so many games before, but how many games is there set in Viking folklore? Undoubtedly less than there is games set in futuristic worlds.


I know I'd play an Into the West game if it were a good adaption of the original. But not if someone wiped their shitty ideas over it because they thought they were being "creative".
 

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Ampersand said:
I have a question.
Why do you seem to have a problem with men who are strong looking strong? Seriously you bring it up in almost every review.
You can't have climbing trees, lifting heavy things and fighting giant robots as regular parts of your life style without gaining some serious muscle mass.

This seems especially ironic to me seen as how you so openly object to wimpy looking teen aged boys swinging giant buster swords in JRPGs.
Maybe he wants a balance. A normal basic body structure human being. Someone agile but strong but not like body buidler the characters he comments as being too built have so much muscle it would probably hinder agility. and for wimpy teens weilding giant swords it just comes off as improbable and annoying.
 

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latenightapplepie said:
Yahtzee's game idea was....dull. Perhaps it wasn't explained well enough, but it really didn't grab me.

I like the sound of Enslaved: Odyssey to the West more.
Have you played it? The whole slaver routine doesnt sound related to the source material. Yahtzee's actually sounds like it has much more depth.

Perhaps you should play it and then say if you like it or not. I liked "the sound of it" as well, unfortunately that lasts only until you put the disc in.
 

Ampersand

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Swifteye said:
Ampersand said:
I have a question.
Why do you seem to have a problem with men who are strong looking strong? Seriously you bring it up in almost every review.
You can't have climbing trees, lifting heavy things and fighting giant robots as regular parts of your life style without gaining some serious muscle mass.

This seems especially ironic to me seen as how you so openly object to wimpy looking teen aged boys swinging giant buster swords in JRPGs.
Maybe he wants a balance. A normal basic body structure human being. Someone agile but strong but not like body buidler the characters he comments as being too built have so much muscle it would probably hinder agility. and for wimpy teens weilding giant swords it just comes off as improbable and annoying.
The human body isn't like an rpg character creation screen, you don't have to choose between being strong and being fast.
When it comes to climbing and/or combat, you need to train in strength to get faster and vise versa. If you only do one you'll wind up crippling yourself.
 

Swifteye

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Ampersand said:
Swifteye said:
Ampersand said:
I have a question.
Why do you seem to have a problem with men who are strong looking strong? Seriously you bring it up in almost every review.
You can't have climbing trees, lifting heavy things and fighting giant robots as regular parts of your life style without gaining some serious muscle mass.

This seems especially ironic to me seen as how you so openly object to wimpy looking teen aged boys swinging giant buster swords in JRPGs.
Maybe he wants a balance. A normal basic body structure human being. Someone agile but strong but not like body buidler the characters he comments as being too built have so much muscle it would probably hinder agility. and for wimpy teens weilding giant swords it just comes off as improbable and annoying.
The human body isn't like an rpg character creation screen, you don't have to choose between being strong and being fast.
When it comes to climbing and/or combat, you need to train in strength to get faster and vise versa. If you only do one you'll wind up crippling yourself.
That is not what I meant at all. I was just saying that Yatzhee isn't interested in dramatic body structures.
 

Ampersand

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Swifteye said:
Ampersand said:
Swifteye said:
Ampersand said:
I have a question.
Why do you seem to have a problem with men who are strong looking strong? Seriously you bring it up in almost every review.
You can't have climbing trees, lifting heavy things and fighting giant robots as regular parts of your life style without gaining some serious muscle mass.

This seems especially ironic to me seen as how you so openly object to wimpy looking teen aged boys swinging giant buster swords in JRPGs.
Maybe he wants a balance. A normal basic body structure human being. Someone agile but strong but not like body buidler the characters he comments as being too built have so much muscle it would probably hinder agility. and for wimpy teens weilding giant swords it just comes off as improbable and annoying.
The human body isn't like an rpg character creation screen, you don't have to choose between being strong and being fast.
When it comes to climbing and/or combat, you need to train in strength to get faster and vise versa. If you only do one you'll wind up crippling yourself.
That is not what I meant at all. I was just saying that Yatzhee isn't interested in dramatic body structures.
Fair enough.
I just don't see what makes it such a big deal. Bottom line, dramatic character models are alot more fun to design. I mean I seriously doubt we'd have as many iconic characters as we do in gaming if everyone designed their characters like Alan Wake.
 

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Ampersand said:
Swifteye said:
Ampersand said:
Swifteye said:
Ampersand said:
I have a question.
Why do you seem to have a problem with men who are strong looking strong? Seriously you bring it up in almost every review.
You can't have climbing trees, lifting heavy things and fighting giant robots as regular parts of your life style without gaining some serious muscle mass.

This seems especially ironic to me seen as how you so openly object to wimpy looking teen aged boys swinging giant buster swords in JRPGs.
Maybe he wants a balance. A normal basic body structure human being. Someone agile but strong but not like body buidler the characters he comments as being too built have so much muscle it would probably hinder agility. and for wimpy teens weilding giant swords it just comes off as improbable and annoying.
The human body isn't like an rpg character creation screen, you don't have to choose between being strong and being fast.
When it comes to climbing and/or combat, you need to train in strength to get faster and vise versa. If you only do one you'll wind up crippling yourself.
That is not what I meant at all. I was just saying that Yatzhee isn't interested in dramatic body structures.
Fair enough.
I just don't see what makes it such a big deal. Bottom line, dramatic character models are alot more fun to design. I mean I seriously doubt we'd have as many iconic characters as we do in gaming if everyone designed their characters like Alan Wake.
I agree to that. That's why I make stories with anthros instead of humans. I feel I have more options in design.
 

Ampersand

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Swifteye said:
Ampersand said:
Swifteye said:
Ampersand said:
Swifteye said:
Ampersand said:
I have a question.
Why do you seem to have a problem with men who are strong looking strong? Seriously you bring it up in almost every review.
You can't have climbing trees, lifting heavy things and fighting giant robots as regular parts of your life style without gaining some serious muscle mass.

This seems especially ironic to me seen as how you so openly object to wimpy looking teen aged boys swinging giant buster swords in JRPGs.
Maybe he wants a balance. A normal basic body structure human being. Someone agile but strong but not like body buidler the characters he comments as being too built have so much muscle it would probably hinder agility. and for wimpy teens weilding giant swords it just comes off as improbable and annoying.
The human body isn't like an rpg character creation screen, you don't have to choose between being strong and being fast.
When it comes to climbing and/or combat, you need to train in strength to get faster and vise versa. If you only do one you'll wind up crippling yourself.
That is not what I meant at all. I was just saying that Yatzhee isn't interested in dramatic body structures.
Fair enough.
I just don't see what makes it such a big deal. Bottom line, dramatic character models are alot more fun to design. I mean I seriously doubt we'd have as many iconic characters as we do in gaming if everyone designed their characters like Alan Wake.
I agree to that. That's why I make stories with anthros instead of humans. I feel I have more options in design.
What's an anthros?
 

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Ampersand said:
Swifteye said:
Ampersand said:
Swifteye said:
Ampersand said:
Swifteye said:
Ampersand said:
I have a question.
Why do you seem to have a problem with men who are strong looking strong? Seriously you bring it up in almost every review.
You can't have climbing trees, lifting heavy things and fighting giant robots as regular parts of your life style without gaining some serious muscle mass.

This seems especially ironic to me seen as how you so openly object to wimpy looking teen aged boys swinging giant buster swords in JRPGs.
Maybe he wants a balance. A normal basic body structure human being. Someone agile but strong but not like body buidler the characters he comments as being too built have so much muscle it would probably hinder agility. and for wimpy teens weilding giant swords it just comes off as improbable and annoying.
The human body isn't like an rpg character creation screen, you don't have to choose between being strong and being fast.
When it comes to climbing and/or combat, you need to train in strength to get faster and vise versa. If you only do one you'll wind up crippling yourself.
That is not what I meant at all. I was just saying that Yatzhee isn't interested in dramatic body structures.
Fair enough.
I just don't see what makes it such a big deal. Bottom line, dramatic character models are alot more fun to design. I mean I seriously doubt we'd have as many iconic characters as we do in gaming if everyone designed their characters like Alan Wake.
I agree to that. That's why I make stories with anthros instead of humans. I feel I have more options in design.
What's an anthros?
Furries?
 

Ampersand

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mr_rubino said:
Ampersand said:
Swifteye said:
Ampersand said:
Swifteye said:
Ampersand said:
Swifteye said:
Ampersand said:
I have a question.
Why do you seem to have a problem with men who are strong looking strong? Seriously you bring it up in almost every review.
You can't have climbing trees, lifting heavy things and fighting giant robots as regular parts of your life style without gaining some serious muscle mass.

This seems especially ironic to me seen as how you so openly object to wimpy looking teen aged boys swinging giant buster swords in JRPGs.
Maybe he wants a balance. A normal basic body structure human being. Someone agile but strong but not like body buidler the characters he comments as being too built have so much muscle it would probably hinder agility. and for wimpy teens weilding giant swords it just comes off as improbable and annoying.
The human body isn't like an rpg character creation screen, you don't have to choose between being strong and being fast.
When it comes to climbing and/or combat, you need to train in strength to get faster and vise versa. If you only do one you'll wind up crippling yourself.
That is not what I meant at all. I was just saying that Yatzhee isn't interested in dramatic body structures.
Fair enough.
I just don't see what makes it such a big deal. Bottom line, dramatic character models are alot more fun to design. I mean I seriously doubt we'd have as many iconic characters as we do in gaming if everyone designed their characters like Alan Wake.
I agree to that. That's why I make stories with anthros instead of humans. I feel I have more options in design.
What's an anthros?
Furries?
Oh right.
When i'm designing a new character I usually just scratch at the page with a pencil until it starts to look like something I like.....It's not very elegant but I usually get some interesting results. = )
 

Swifteye

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mr_rubino said:
As it is commonly known. But really it stands for Anthropomorphic which is just making something that isn't human whether it be a an animal, A car, or a milkshake. And giving it human characteristics
Ampersand said:
What's an anthros?
Short for Anthropomorphic which is just making something that isn't human whether it be a an animal, A car, or a milkshake. And giving it human characteristics.

I use it all the time for my writings. When I used to daydream fanfict about human characters I ran into a brick wall. It felt like there was a real limit to how you could create a human that would showing transformation or a clear difference in power and abilities without the use of something like technology or gaining the powers of gods and or animals. At some point I just cut it loose and started writing about animal people than humans. For the most part.
 

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Interesting concept. Totally workable, but what's the main obstacle, I ask you? Several problems are mentioned, but none stand out. Well, at least you didn't go so far as to include romance. Nothing wrong with it, but we don't always need to see two characters eye each other like their own personal microwaved watermelon.

Also, Yahtzee's personal site has been flagged by my computer recently as a potential hazard for malware. The computer makes it clear that Yahtzee himself doesn't endorse it, but that pretty much leaves me with the problem that I want to see his site and yet it has been flagged and blocked.
 

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Did he just praise Okami? I think he did. Didn't he? Seriously, I'm going paranoid!

But anyway, everyone allready hailed his idea for Journey to the Space-West, so I'm going to say it's going to suck, because it's really hard to make us sympathise with a robot, so a human/monkeythingy would be somewhat more workable.
 

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"They copy it all into the head of a random menial droid that happens to be called Tripitaka because fuck you" - Love it XD
 

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Eh, I didn't really like the idea. I was never a fan of futuristic interpretations of past events that were intended to be full of magic and whatnot.
Or it could be because I hate when the character I'm playing as is a robot. It lacks the pizazz of hidden potential.
 

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Croshaw's idea is cool, I would probably pay full price for that game, it sounds fun. My only suggestion being that it should be "Monkeybot's" pole that should change forms, for example:

Need to climb? It splits into climbing picks. Need to reach a high ledge? A hook appears at the end and it extends up to the ledge.

Need to launch a rocket at the boss's open mouth? Shift into a shoulder mounted RPG.

Need to surf over some hot lava? Split into LAVA SKIS!

Finally, it would be a sweet pole vaulting pole, which would actually make sense if you wanted to curb or increase difficulty of platforming, depending on the style of game: For higher difficulty, you would hold the vault button for as long or as hard as you want the pole to extend, increasing the distance of the jump, but if you wanted to make easier, just have it extyend automatically depending on the jump gap.

After all, everybody loves upgrades, and an upgradeable swiss army pole would be pretty damn cool.
 

ThePants

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I'd play that game. Seems like this story would've already have had a *good* video game adaptation....