entitled gamers? a good example going on right now

[Nazulu]

Wow. While the OP makes me sick, I'm amazed how much understanding came after it. Well done. All has been said but what the hell.

I've seen special packs you can get when making a contribution to the production of a game, and this is to show everyone that you made an impact on it's development, or whatever. If I received something regarded as special/rare through 'different' means than usual, then it suddenly became open to everyone. Yeah, that would piss me off too.

Eve Charm (post 21) does make a good point too. Though if they really want it to be revived, then maybe those who cherish it for being rare should be compensated for.

Also, just because some people go over the top, doesn't mean they should be completely ignored. Not even you sonofliber. I find most people have a hard time describing how they feel and so I believe we should be more patient and get a better understanding.

 

[Vegosiux]

Eve Charm (post 21) does make a good point too. Though if they really want it to be revived, then maybe those who cherish it for being rare should be compensated for.

And that's...exactly what happened. People got refunded and kept the skin (basically, they got it for free now), and got an icon that marks them as having previously owned it.

 

[Something Amyss]

Okay, maybe I'm missing something, but these were sold under the pretense that they were of a limited nature, correct?

Seems like you actually are entitled to expect they be limited.

Now, it seems like they're doing things to compensate earlier players, but I think people are misusing entitlement here as a pejorative.

Maybe some of the people are being needlessly whiny, but not out of a misplaced sense of entitlement.

 

[Nazulu]

Eve Charm (post 21) does make a good point too. Though if they really want it to be revived, then maybe those who cherish it for being rare should be compensated for.

And that's...exactly what happened. People got refunded and kept the skin (basically, they got it for free now), and got an icon that marks them as having previously owned it.

That would be fine with me, so... good

Thanks for letting me know

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

While I will agree with some entitled-gamer arguments, this one is on the borderline. I feel the people who worked hard to get exclusive skins/items deserve to have that exclusivity and not have it taken from them.
E.G. WoW removed mounts from the game when it was clear the next expansion's power level increase would make it easier to get some, or they were going to re-vamp former raids, but let the previous owners keep theirs. Examples include the legendary black Silithid mount from the Ahn'Qiraj gate opening event, the Amani Warbear mount from Zul'Aman (Raid) after Wrath was released and the Zulian Tiger and Raptor mounts from Zul'Gurub when Cataclysm came out. They DID release reskins of some of those mounts (Ultramarine Silithid from Archaeology, reskinned armored version raptor from ZG 5-man, and a different warbear mount in the ZA 5-man). But you couldn't get the originals once the quests/drops were removed. This way players could still get similar mounts without getting the "exclusive" mounts.
Now since their WoW TCG is in its final expansion they have released all the previous loot cards in the booster packs to make it possible for those who missed out to have a chance of getting the mounts/pets/vanity items but its so few and far between that its not like anyone can get them.

TL;DR - WoW did it better by not releasing the old content exactly but instead releasing similar content for newer players to attempt to get. This I feel is better while preserving the exclusivity of the older content.

 

[Vegosiux]

While I will agree with some entitled-gamer arguments, this one is on the borderline. I feel the people who worked hard to get exclusive skins/items deserve to have that exclusivity and not have it taken from them.

There was nothing to "work hard" for. You just bought them, as you'd have bought any other skin. These weren't any kind of "rewards for being hurr durr awesome".

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

While I will agree with some entitled-gamer arguments, this one is on the borderline. I feel the people who worked hard to get exclusive skins/items deserve to have that exclusivity and not have it taken from them.

There was nothing to "work hard" for. You just bought them, as you'd have bought any other skin. These weren't any kind of "rewards for being hurr durr awesome".

Since I don't play LoL, is it in-game currency or real money? Or are they the type that allows you to buy in-game currency thus negating the differential?

 

[Vegosiux]

While I will agree with some entitled-gamer arguments, this one is on the borderline. I feel the people who worked hard to get exclusive skins/items deserve to have that exclusivity and not have it taken from them.

There was nothing to "work hard" for. You just bought them, as you'd have bought any other skin. These weren't any kind of "rewards for being hurr durr awesome".

Since I don't play LoL, is it in-game currency or real money? Or are they the type that allows you to buy in-game currency thus negating the differential?

Haven't played a while, but they have an in-game currency, and a premium currency, but as it goes, there are some things you can only buy with one of them. Skins you can only buy with premium currency, characters with both, and runes only with in-game currency, for example. And you can't convert between the two, they're separate.

That's how I remember it.

 

[Dalisclock]

My $.02.

1.) If they said they were never going to release these skins again, they should have stuck to their word on that.

However,

2.) Limited Edition/Exclusive/Last Time is a common marketing tactic in many industries. It's designed to make you buy it by creating a false sense of urgency and people keep using it because it works. Those pre-order exclusives that are advertised will, 90% of the time,eventually be released to the general public. Why? Because the companies want your money and will be happy to sell stuff to you. Because you are not special. The fact you pre-ordered does not make you special. It just means you are more likely to spend money early in exchange for getting a free gun/skin/unit/piece of cheese 6 months before anyone else does.

And my sympathy is expressed in this tiny little violin playing just for you.

 

[Depulcator]

"For the past year, we've been exploring ways to solve a conundrum with Limited Edition skins. Here's the crux of the issue:
-During events from December 2009 through October 2011, we released 34 skins for a limited time and communicated they wouldn't come back into the store.
-Since then, our playerbase has grown so much that these skins are virtually never seen in game

-Every day we receive heartfelt emails with compelling stories from players asking for the chance to own or gift their favorite skin, either because they missed the brief store window due to travel, illness, deployment, etc., or because they hadn't joined the LoL community yet."

These are Riot's own words from the page about the event, They told people it would not be made available again so basically they lied. They can go on about these "heartfelt" e-mails and skins like bewitching Nidalee only being seen every thousand games (I've only played for about a year and personally I have seen this skin used more than just about every Lux skin) but they are doing for one thing GREED they want the all the monies. I don't own any of these skins in fact I don't own ANY skins and while I have always wanted Christmas Sona and kittykat I'm still more upset than happy.

If people bought something under the assumption that it would not be for sale again and then it is of course they get angry or feel "entitled" as you put it but to me entitlement looks more like "Why do these guys who played for years and years get something I don't? I WANT IT RIGHT NOW!"

This. As one of the players who owns these skins, I can say these were not cheap either. But, they did this with last years holiday skins, so this was gonna be the next step. The emblem is a nice addon for the players that actually own some of these but I think riot REALLY needs to re-think the word limited if they are gonna keep this up.

 

[Suave Charlie]

Similar thing happened in Gears 3, didn't care then, don't care now. I mean, it's a virtual skin in a game, I don't understand the obsession with having an exclusive item that didn't take effort to achieve (It's my understanding that they weren't earned in game via some task, just buying at a certain time).

My gamer picture is an "exclusive item" since I had to kill 10k people in ranked matches, so I'd be annoyed if I saw someone that just cheated/glitched to get it, but if my picture was gained by just buying a different edition of the game I couldn't give less of a fuck about whether someone else had it.

Though in regards to Gears 3 it did warm my heart knowing some people had paid stupid amounts for a character skin on ebay and then days later the skin becoming available.

 

[WOPR]

I wouldn't care...

HOWEVER, I can see why people would complain and I don't feel like they're being entitled at all.

If I spent [footnote]I have no clue if people did for I know nothing of LoL. If it cost them nothing, then quit your bitching people who are complaining about the limited skins being re-released[/footnote].money on something that's supposed to be limited, I'd be unhappy if they pushed out more editions of what's SUPPOSED to be a rare item.

They are supposed to be rare limited edition items. If no one filled you in, they were "Only available during the week of halloween two years ago" and they're bringing them back for anyone to buy.
I don't know how I feel about it yet but I think I'm glad they're bringing them back, I mean LoL is still a fairly young rapidly developing game, now if 10 years down the road they're letting people buy things from its first 2-3 years alive then I'll be a little annoyed.

Note: They're only bringing back HOLIDAY skins. They're not selling any skins that were "PAX Only" or "Seasonal Finals Only" or anything like that.

The only time I think I've honestly acted like an entitled dick... I went to a tournament (MvC3) and I won, there was a $40 entry fee and the prize was a $20 gift card to lamestop. I was quite annoyed...

EDIT: And yes they did pay physical money, roughly $8 USD per skin I believe.

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

I wouldn't care...

HOWEVER, I can see why people would complain and I don't feel like they're being entitled at all.

If I spent money on something that's supposed to be limited, I'd be unhappy if they pushed out more editions of what's SUPPOSED to be a rare item.

Riot is refunding them (with the in game currency you use real money to buy) as well as giving them a "I had this skin first" icon to compensate for the skins being less rare. Also it's important to note that there is no trading system in LoL, so unless someone had intent of selling their whole account, there's not really any depreciation of value. They're bitching about not being able to say "I HAVE THIS AND YOU DON'T"

Now how will they make other LoL players think they're an asshole?

 

[Happiness Assassin]

Huh... this reminds me of a term from my anthropology class: the image of the limited good. Even if a "good" is technically isn't finite, those that have it tend to view it as finite. Not much to add beyond that, as I find this whole thing childish.

 

[ZZoMBiE13]

Being a big Halo fan, I had a similar issue a while back.

A little history; I used to do a Halo themed fan comic. (No, I'm not begging for views by posting a link) During that time I made a lot of friends in and around the Halo community. Many of them had received the specially granted "Recon" armor for their multiplayer Spartan. And this was a big deal if you were a fan. The only way you could get it was to be a Bungie employee or have it awarded to you by a Bungie employee.

Almost 2 years after the game came out, the amount of people who had it was still relatively small. But once Halo 3: ODST came out, it became available to anyone who jumped through several hoops and acquired some reasonably difficult achievements and/or feats in multiplayer and FireFight mode.

Good and otherwise kind people who I'd come to call friends... went batshit crazy over this. As if opening it up to the dirty noobs somehow erased the 2 DAMN YEARS that they had gotten to use this limited skin.

These were good people, but for some reason this digital goody made them feel special in some certain way and the piece of kit going mainstream made them feel less so. I guess I can understand how they would have preferred it to stay unique to them, but I don't understand going to a website, calling out the devs, and all the fury over it.

 

[Agayek]

I don't understand the term manchildren, what does it mean and is there a female equivalent?

"manchildren" is just like it says on the tin, a "man" who also fits the term "child". It's a derogatory term for an adult who acts like a child, usually by means of bitching and moaning about how life is unfair or whatever other "life lesson" they should have learned long before they became an adult.

OT:
Eh. It's not really entitled to be upset when you purchase something under the understanding that it is a rare, limited-time offer only for the company to pull a 180 on that and remove the restrictions. I don't think I would be too upset about it if I had bought any of them, just because I've never really been bothered about how I or my things compare to other people's, but there's definitely valid reason to be upset. It's at best dishonest and a dick move, and at worst a breach of contract (though I doubt it would fit the legal definition of such), and people have every right to be upset about it.

 

[Not Gabe Newell]

"There's that word again!"


The word "entitled" is soon going to go the same way that words such as "sexism," "emo," "biased," "troll," "boycott," and "racism" have gone. Misused, abused, and overused to the point where nobody takes it seriously anymore. I'm calling it now.

 

[KazeAizen]

Different people value things differently (example: all trade evar), you're saying they're "entitled" because you don't view the skins the same way they do.

I think what it all boils down to is: Riot promised these skins would be a one-time offer and they didn't deliver. That's something I would be pissed off about.

For the record, I don't care about the skins at all; just the treatment of the player-base.

Riot has stated their Rationale though behind it. Since the time the skins were released the LoL community has grown exponentially. So therefore they want to give their now very vast community one more chance to grab these skins because a majority of them weren't playing at the time of their initial release. If they didn't reimburse the players who initially got the skins then that would be an issue but they are.

Riot has what appears to me a very big love/hate relationship with its community. Its by far the most involved company out there with its fan base then any other, but they also make changes that pisses people off or makes other people happy and then piss other different people off. Like they are revamping a pool of their much older champs which I've seen several people complain about but then I see a few who are the "Ugh. Finally" variety.

 

[Bix96]

Using the word "man" to describe things that are not gender exclusive has become sexist over time. We don't say "policeman" or "mailman" anymore because that's considered sexist.

but....we do still say mailman and policeman. unless you're joking in which case this is me right now:

Some do and some don't. I think you are missing the point though.

I am likely the most radical liberal commi in this entire forum and I have literally never met somebody who thought the term "policeman" was sexist. Yes, it mentions a specific gender. Which is a reference to the fact that, once upon a time, all police persons were men. That was when the term came about, and it's still used because the people saying "policeman" aren't thinking about the suppression of women's rights but about cops.

Didn't the state of Washington just pass a law that changes words like penmanship and journeyman to more gender neutral words like handwriting and journey-level?

 

[Brian Tams]

...why is Riot caving into these nimrods by giving back the RP they spent on them and giving them special borders?

If the skins are going to be on sale for the same amount of money (and not cheaper), than they have no reason to ***** and whine. Even if they are on sale for less, tough shit. Your skin isn't going anywhere.

I've lost what little respect I had left for Riot by justifying this behavior.