Escape to the Movies: Blackhat - Haxxor

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Aiddon said:
ouch, not one of Mann's best. Whatever, I can take a blemish or two. Still need to watch Mohicans
you better be 18 because there's no excuse not have watched that film :mad:
 

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Soooo not only is it a crap movie, but I've got a suspicion that it's the Blackhat ad in the bottom right that's screwing with some people's text boxes/ability to quote other members (since past experience has shown that it's ads in the bottom right that have a tendency of screwing with text boxes).

Just another reason this movie sucks. :p
 

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Man, Bob can't go 5 minutes without bringing up sexism and racism. Everyone should be glad he is here to remind us that since the Oscars nominations are mostly white, we are all a bunch of racists. Thanks Bob, I don't know if I could go the day without feeling a decent amount of white guilt. ;p

I wasn't expecting too much from this movie. I don't know why the physical condition of the main character is an issue though. I have to be honest, the whole hackers are fat slobs who are socially inept is literally an idea that is more and more commonly wrong as technology becomes more and more the a part of everyday life. I know America has a history of weight issues, especially in the last 20 years, but smart people tend to also take physical care of themselves. I work in IT, but I go to the gym 5 days a week and eat really healthy. I'm not the norm, but I work with plenty of people who care about themselves physically. To me,it's not a big stretch that he may just give a shit about his health.

That is my one qualm. I'm sure the movie isn't that great. I feel like this almost sounds like Live Free or Die Hard but in the badass is the same character as the hacker, rather than what amounts to essentially being the escort for the physically ill equipped hacker.
 

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Bob, either you have a screwed up perspective or you are incredibly naive.

The economic damage from cybercrime is nearly half a trillion a year ... and if that's a bit too abstract for you, that includes data ransoming which hits a huge number of average people. As obnoxious as /gg/ gets, it hits a tiny number of people. The damage is just a few too many orders of magnitude removed from the human and monetary damage caused by cybercrime to make it the ultimate examples of the terror of hacking.
 

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V4Viewtiful said:
Aiddon said:
ouch, not one of Mann's best. Whatever, I can take a blemish or two. Still need to watch Mohicans
you better be 18 because there's no excuse not have watched that film :mad:
Count me in. That movie gives me chills. The final mountainside scene is what movie making should strive to be.
 

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Oh boy, more GG and 8chan jabs. Honestly, my guess is that (a) Bob knows jackshit about GG and (b) Bob has never been on 8chan. If he had, he'd know that 8chan's climate varies radically board by board, and making a generalization like "8chan, eugh" is immature and stupid.
 

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While I agree the movie looks pretty silly I wish Bob would have researched hacking a little more instead of continuing the disappointing trend of attributing cyberbulling or vandalism to hacking.

"Blackhat" the name of the movie is an actual term to describe (usually crackers, the term for people who crack networks) who maliciously gain access to secure networks. Corporate espionage is the biggest outlet for blackhat hackers. All of the high profile security breaches in companies like Target, eBay, Lowes, Sony, Staples, and more were the product of hackers. A level beyond that you get to organized crime like the DNS hijacking that happened a few years ago. Where hundreds of thousands of computers were accessing a private DNS server instead of the normal one and the websites they were visiting had malicious ads added to them which would feed money to the crime organization. It took years for the FBI to figure it out and they never found who was responsible for it.

Governments also engage in blackhat hacking such as the stuxnet worm which spied on government networks in middle eastern countries and tampered with nuclear power pants in Iran.

There have also been malware found in the United States government websites that point to the Chinese government.

So this belief that hacking is nothing but DDoS attacks (sending millions of pings to a server) and doxxing celebrities is extremely ignorant of the real dangers of hacking.

This whole argument also ignores whitehat hacking which is a real professional expertise. Companies hire these individuals to attack their networks and report their results to make the company's web security better. Whitehat hackers also report zero-day bugs and usually earn a living by collecting rewards from companies that pay for every bug or vulnerability found.

There's also "greyhat" hackers which occupy a somewhat middle zone between malicious hacking done for money or bad intent and good hacking paid by companies. This greyzone is usually occupied by whistleblowers looking to expose corrupt governments or companies.
 

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Man, the sheer amount of people white-knighting for hackers and 8chan is ironic and hilarious.
 

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I think it would hurt for Moviebob to crawl out of his dark hole and take a look at the public gaming world today as well. I fit the stereotype of a nerdy gamer to a tee, straight up with Moviebob's comparison in the video. However if you look at the people who truly spend all day in front of a computer and get public attention, often times they may not look like a hollywood actor but they're not chubby and bumbling (well, yeah, most of them are pretty bumbling). Just do a casual browse through twitch for streamers, or look at any of the number of esports teams, or even pick up a damn newspaper that has an image attached to some interview of a "hacker". Just because you're sitting in front of a computer doesn't mean you're stuffing your face constantly and when it comes to actual "hackers" or professional gamers being in at least some decent shape, physically, shows dividends in ones ability to react quickly and keep a focused mind.
 

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Oh man, based on that last part of the review, now if I ever see this movie I am going to be so disapointed when Hemsworth doesn't go "Oh fuck this, *throws gun away and summons Mjolnir and starts beating people up*". :p
Seems like I'll pass on this one, maybe I'll watch it some 5 years from now when we get it on telly.
 

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ngl42398 said:
Oh boy, more GG and 8chan jabs.
He never once mentioned Gamergate.

He did, however, make a visual reference to harassment. Is that what you're talking about?
 

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Gildedtongue said:
Soooo... Sneakers still remains the best film about hacking?
As someone who's professionally working with computer and network security for over a decade now, I'd say: Yes.

Though I heard "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" is pretty good as well. Never seen it to verify, so take it with a grain of salt.
 

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Bob, glad to see call the harassment of female developers and critics of Gamergate exactly what it is. It's terrorism. It's a loaded word, but as the definition of an act that inspires fear and intimidation to achieve a goal, it fits it to tee. Just because there are worse acts of terror, doesn't negate that is exactly what cowards hiding behind anonymity are doing every day in the name of their socio-political agenda. To say otherwise, is disingenuous at best, and at worst, belongs to someone who lacks the conscious or the personal ethics to realize that threatening someone to behave in a manner you wish to see is not just wrong, it's malicious.
True, but that's not what people are discussing.

Bob says that real hacking is doxxing, swatting and DDoSing people, when it isn't. As numerous others have mentioned, those types of attacks barely count as hacking, since the real experts do things that are way more intricate and way worse. That is real hacking because it requires a lot of expertise and knowledge.

To put it in other words, I remember seeing someone use this analogy right here on the forums:
"DDoSing is to hacking what a hammer is to knee surgery".
 

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Did anyone else get an ad for Blackhat in front of this review? I did, and it made the resulting review HILARIOUS!
 

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ngl42398 said:
Oh boy, more GG and 8chan jabs. Honestly, my guess is that (a) Bob knows jackshit about GG and (b) Bob has never been on 8chan. If he had, he'd know that 8chan's climate varies radically board by board, and making a generalization like "8chan, eugh" is immature and stupid.
How many of the featured boards can you find who don't have OPs mentioning SJW in the catalog? It does kinda permeate the whole chan.

That's of course not an excuse for Bob to do the same thing with /gg/, I'm not saying the two sides are equally stupid ... the /gg/'ers are just a bunch of circlejerking sheep being used by anonymous misanthropes. What IS equally stupid though is when either side casts everything in the world through the lens of /gg/.
 

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God, these comments. I tend to say that alot, but if I hear Gamergate one more time, I'm going to go back in time and erase 2014 with a big fat eraser. Made out of eraser stuff. Because I'm not feeling creative.

On the subject of the review, Bob, I don't intend on watching this movie, but having enjoyed other movies that you have painted in a very negative light, can I suggest that you offer more positive and constructive conclusions to your reviews? Surely, these movies have more merit that might take more effort to find, but I think it'd be worth focusing on the good, than the bad. The world needs more of that. If everyone focused on the bad, we'd, as a gaming community, collectively think that crazy feminists are trying to take our video games away from us (when we just want a game or two more where we see more identifiable characters).

Inflammatory comments directed at things that should have died 17 days ago aside, I used to hate the Initial D movie. I'm going to make a point here. Just you watch. Compared to the anime that took itself much more seriously (and Ryosuke), the movie was this sort of cheech and chong mashup with stupid comedy and alot less of what made Initial D great (headshots of people standing still while their internal monologue argues philosophy with itself). Then, after a couple years, I watched the movie again. I realized two things. One, man, I was a stupid dumb hoe for not being able to appreciate the movie for its own merits (compared to any Fast and Furious, it's like a godsend), and the crew behind the movie had alot of chemistry that you could see openly affect the acting (and the script, flow, etcetera). Two? Focusing on the negative significantly more than the positive sort of makes you a stupid dumb hoe, so don't do it.
 

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Twinmill5000 said:
God, these comments. [...]
Yes. As engaging as playing tag in a phone booth.

Twinmill5000 said:
On the subject of the review, Bob, I don't intend on watching this movie, but having enjoyed other movies that you have painted in a very negative light, can I suggest that you offer more positive and constructive conclusions to your reviews? [...]
I think you have identified the solution, but not the problem. Bob's "positive" reviews are very cogent, well-presented and insightful. When talking about things he likes, Bob will wax introspective, identify nostalgia and sentimentality for what they are, and call attention to the objective and subjective merits of a work. And it's reasonable to want more of that.

On the other hand, Bob's "negative" reviews are generally summed up by, "I didn't like this. It make me angry or uncomfortable or bored. So it sucks." Bob never wants to examine why he has those feelings, and simply projects them back on the film as objective deficits. This leads to irrational comments, like the one in this review complaining that the filmmakers didn't invent a better visual metaphor for hacking than a shot tracking through wires. That Bob is jaded and bored by such a scene is not a problem with the film. This is simply Bob wanting subjective novelty, and blaming the film for not providing it as if that were an objective issue.

Twinmill5000 said:
[...] I used to hate the Initial D movie. [...] I realized two things. One, man, I was a stupid dumb hoe for not being able to appreciate the movie for its own merits [...]. Two? Focusing on the negative significantly more than the positive sort of makes you a stupid dumb hoe, so don't do it.
I would direct you to a different "life lesson". People change, and not everything is for everyone all the time. When you don't like something and have a negative reaction -- particularly while many other people have a positive one -- it's probably not for you. Either you've out-lived it, or you have yet to be in a mindset where you'll appreciate it. And this isn't a matter of linear-maturity; it's about contexts and perspectives. Some people will never understand what it's like to escape from a totalitarian government; some people won't understand Brakhage; some won't understand The Stunt Man; and some won't know the horror and sorrow of having their beloved child put into a coma.

But people change. You're only a stupid dumb hoe if you refuse to change -- and worse than that if you try to stop other people from changing.
 

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JustMakingAComment said:
That Bob is jaded and bored by such a scene is not a problem with the film. This is simply Bob wanting subjective novelty, and blaming the film for not providing it as if that were an objective issue.
Why do you interpret comments made by Bob in his video series of his reviews of films based on his viewing of them as attempts of objective analysis? Reviews of entertainment media are inherently subjective. The only people I've seen with expectations the reviews ought to be objective are critics of critics, who are doing so based on their own subjective evaluation.