Slycne said:
gains said:
I saw the fist one right around the time that I outgrew the NRA fantasy of Punisher comic books, so I was repelled rather than impressed.
Don't look away from the guy getting his head pulped execution style, it's good for you. So what if you're an FBI agent? Just throw in with a bunch of guys who shoot people to death in the streets because they've declared themselves judge, jury, and executioner.
Seriously?
Sounds like what I expected. Fan service all the way, so nothing to justify it's revival to me.
Isn't that precisely the point of films like this and comics like Punisher though? Sure some people see it as simple vigilante gun porn, but the point at its core for me has always been the narrative question of fighting fire with fire. The first film caps off perfectly with the fake news reporter asking normal people about if they think the Saints are right or not. In some ways it's a ramped up morally grayer version of Robin Hood, can good be done by doing bad things? That's the question these things are asking to you as the viewer.
I dunno if I quite agree with that statement. I think some vigilante pieces definitely do ask whether or not fighting fire with fire is appropriate.
Memento,
The Dark Knight (oddly, both Christopher Nolan films) do, some comics do, lots of military pieces do. I don't think
Boondock Saints ever really bothers to get around to asking that question. By the end of it, the guy who's whole job is establishing law and order over outright vigilantism (i.e. Willem Dafoe) is totally converted to their point of view. I mean, they're labeled "Saints," for Pete's sake, and while it might be because they do their deeds with a little prayer, something makes me doubt it. I know Troy Duffy is all for vigilantism. And he's the writer/director, so it's pretty much a 1000:1 against that question actually being ambiguous. He wrote the damn thing as a revenge fantasy in reaction the news one night. I think that bit at the end was tacked on, so that anyone who wanted to question it could claim that the political message was obscured, even though it was pretty clear what side had been chosen for the rest of the film (and in everything Duffy's said after the fact).