Escape to the Movies: Godzilla - Breaking Kaiju

Lilani

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I knew the human relationships were going to be Bob's complaint about 20 minutes in, and I couldn't agree more. Cranston's character and Serizawa and his assistant were the only characters I ever wanted to know more about. I wanted to know more about Cranston's background--how did he as an American come to be one of the lead scientists at a Japanese nuclear power plan, how does he feel about living in Japan, who were those other people he teamed up with when going to the quarantine zone, what are their motivations, is there some kind of huge underground network of people trying to expose the truth of what happened that day (who aren't associated with or aware of Serizawa's organization)? I'm aware he explained it was a fisherman who attached the things to the boyies which allowed him to hear the MUTO's call, but I sort of felt like he was also hinting that he was working with other scientists as well.

And Serizawa and his assistant seemed to have something going on--not romantically, but at one point she called him sensei, which suggests she looks to him as a teacher or mentor. What is their relationship, how long has she been studying with him, did she also lose somebody in the nuclear plant disaster? And about Serizawa, how did he get ahold of his father's pocket watch, did he have much to do with forming that organization that was watching the MUTO at the nuclear plant, does he have a family, does anyone else within his own organization feel the same about Godzilla's reason for existence?

Every other character who wasn't them was just absolutely grating. The main character "Ford Brody," which is a name so painfully American it makes me ashamed to be an American, is so bland and emotionless he makes Kristen Stewart look like Tim Curry. And I'm not even exaggerating--Kristen Stewart's facial contortions might be pathetic, but at least she TRIES to contort her face. This guy just straight up left all his facial muscles at home. The wife and kid are loaded down with so much cliched, foreshadowing dialog every scene they're in feels like a parody of disaster movie families. "You're going to be here in the morning, aren't you dad?" "We'll still be here, it's not like the world's going to end." Uuuuugh.

And speaking of the kids, none of the kids in the movie actually BEHAVED like kids. Every kid that has any screen time seems to be under heavy sedation, all they do is stare blankly at things. Brody's kid barely reacts to seeing him after coming back from spending 14 months overseas, barely reacts when he's separated from his mom, barely reacts when seeing the monster both on TV and in real-life, and barely reacts to being reunited with his dad. The girl in Hawaii who sees the tsunami coming does that "kid walks away from their parents because they see something none of the adults see" cliche and doesn't react any more than saying "Dad...?" in a cautious way, even as the water comes rushing in. The kid Brody saves on the monorail in Hawaii doesn't seem to be terribly bothered after being separated from his parents, nearly killed by falling out of a monorail car, and being accompanied by a stranger through an exploding and flooding city full of hurt, screaming people. The only time I can recall kids actually behaving like kids is when the bus driver on the Golden Gate bridge is having to tell the kids on the bus to quiet down so he can hear what the military officers are telling him, because at that point they aren't terrified yet, they're kind of excited and bouncing off the walls.

Then I couldn't help but go all CinemaSins on a few of the details in the story. Why were the battleships and aircraft carriers following Godzilla so CLOSELY? They could have easily been capsized if Godzilla decided to raise his head up while they were on the open sea, and then they actually WERE capsized when he rose up with them right on top of him in San Francisco Bay. What were they expecting, for Godzilla to feel a few toy-sized boats overhead and go "Oops, guess I'm stuck in the water here, these little floaty things are in my way." And how in the HELL were any of those nukes able to function after being broken-up and manhandled by the MUTOs? How the flying fuck did the dog that was tied by a leash to a palm tree in Hawaii able to break his leash and outrun the tsunami when it clearly shows on screen that the water made contact with him WHILE he was still tied to the tree? Even if the force of the water broke the leash without killing him, he would have been swept up in the water and wouldn't have been able to run ahead of the wave. And gee, it sure was smart of them to send Brody--the only guy left alive in the ENTIRE MILITARY who knows how to arm or disarm a nuke--with the nuke as it slowly trundled across the west on a freaking train car that they KNOW will be a huge target for the MUTOs. If they only needed him to arm or disarm it, then why didn't they safely fly him to the nuke's final destination and let the more expendable soldiers handle the escort?

Bob said he was left wanting to see a story that's more about Serizawa's disagreement with the military on how to handle Godzilla. Well, I was left wanting to see a story that was more about several different groups of people all working together to get their plan going. Instead of having one character that's involved with EVERY SINGLE task from start to finish, have several teams of different people doing different things which all come together to save the day. They never even have to meet or know each other on a personal level, at least not until the finale. But to me, seeing different people doing different things but all striving toward the same goal and having their efforts converge into something that's greater than any of them could have done alone is a LOT more satisfying than seeing ONE person get deus-ex-machina'd through a story which was carefully crafted to make sure they are the ONLY ONE that could EVER have done ANYTHING that needed to get done to make the mission a success.
 

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Saw Godzilla last night and I gotta say I loved the parts with Godzilla but the parts without him were just boring. It's a Godzilla film, I don't care about the human element or what their stories are. All I care about is seeing Godzilla fighting other monsters. Since there will most likely be a sequel they need to have Guillermo Del Toro direct it. So far he seems like one of the few directors that can actually pull off a really good Kaiju film.
 

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Lilani said:
ONE person get deus-ex-machina'd through a story which was carefully crafted to make sure they are the ONLY ONE that could EVER have done ANYTHING that needed to get done to make the mission a success.
In what way was the mission a success? If they pulled off some great plan that saved the day it would have made since to have lots of different groups all working together, but this was the story of one mostly useless guy floating through the disaster watching/helping the military be useless/mess stuff up, then decide to light a fire, the one useful thing he did, and go back to being useless.

Bat Vader said:
It's a Godzilla film
Thats why there is a large focus on the human characters and their silly plans, because its a Godzilla movie and thats what Godzilla movies do.
 

Lilani

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Darknacht said:
Lilani said:
ONE person get deus-ex-machina'd through a story which was carefully crafted to make sure they are the ONLY ONE that could EVER have done ANYTHING that needed to get done to make the mission a success.
In what way was the mission a success? If they pulled off some great plan that saved the day it would have made since to have lots of different groups all working together, but this was the story of one mostly useless guy floating through the disaster watching/helping the military be useless/mess stuff up, then decide to light a fire, the one useful thing he did, and go back to being useless.
You know, you make a very good point, which makes his heroic rescue and return seem even sillier in hindsight. The only reason they ever had to tell him ANYTHING about Godzilla or the MUTOs after his father died was to get more information from him about his father. Otherwise, pretty much anybody else in the military could have done what he did. And there is no movie in existence that can generate enough suspension of disbelief to convince the audience he was the only person in the US military who knows how to arm and disarm a nuke.
 

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had a feeling he will review this movie.
i knew that it will have some flaws but still sounds like it worth a watch. me and my wife intend to watch it next week. after that, i cant wait for the new x men movie. please dont suck.
 

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Lilani said:
You know, you make a very good point, which makes his heroic rescue and return seem even sillier in hindsight. The only reason they ever had to tell him ANYTHING about Godzilla or the MUTOs after his father died was to get more information from him about his father. Otherwise, pretty much anybody else in the military could have done what he did. And there is no movie in existence that can generate enough suspension of disbelief to convince the audience he was the only person in the US military who knows how to arm and disarm a nuke.
Its not like he got a hero's welcome, and yeah they pulled him off the boat but they would want to debrief the only guy left from the group that went to get the bomb. Also, the guy in charge of the bombs did say that his men knew what they where doing and that they did not need him, but soldier boy argued with him, spouted technobabble, and claimed he had more experience until the guy let him come along.
 

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The highlights for me was the halo jump(perfectly handled imo) and the scene with the main character and Godzilla simply looking at each other. Easily worth the price of admission just to see those on the big screen. I thought the characters did an well enough job and the cliches subdued, but yes, i did drag just a tad to long, but never to the point were I got 'bored'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY0VuIt4YNw
 

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Lilani said:
And Serizawa and his assistant seemed to have something going on--not romantically, but at one point she called him sensei, which suggests she looks to him as a teacher or mentor. What is their relationship, how long has she been studying with him, did she also lose somebody in the nuclear plant disaster? And about Serizawa, how did he get ahold of his father's pocket watch, did he have much to do with forming that organization that was watching the MUTO at the nuclear plant, does he have a family, does anyone else within his own organization feel the same about Godzilla's reason for existence?

ss.
Sensei also is used for doctors both Medical Doctors and Phd's.
 

Lilani

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faefrost said:
Sensei also is used for doctors both Medical Doctors and Phd's.
Ah, okay. Still, she stuck to him like glue, and seemed to have a particular regard for him--stuck with him to the end, and had as much wonder and respect for Godzilla as Serizawa. Anyway, there was enough there for me to want to know more about them. At least more than I wanted to know about Sergeant Bland and his stock photo wife and child.
 

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Definitely got the feeling that there was a lot of executive meddling behind the scenes. Both in the amount of "Army hero must save the day" and in the release schedule. The amount of times it refuses to actually show Godzilla after the build up just screams that they had the scenes planned and probably prepared, but just didn't have the time to pump it through the rendering rigs to get it finished on time, meaning they had to fill the space with faster to produce scenes of Army dude and family. Should have filled it with scientist exposition about Godzilla himself like Bob said but hey, hindsight is 20/20.
 

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Bob seemed to dislike this movie far more than I thought he would. Though I will agree that the stuff when Godzilla shows up is indeed the highlight of the film.
It makes me think that this movie could have a prequel that breaks the prequel curse.

It would make for an interesting movie the entire way through as long as we ignore Captain Wallpaper Paste and focus on the discovery and study of the King of the Monsters. That is a movie I think could be a real blockbuster.

At least it seems more interesting than the ironically named 'Amazing Spiderman' movies, which tend to forget that Peter Parker is a guilt-driven character and not someone who is happy-go-lucky with plots handed on a silver platter reading 'All plots come from Oscorp'.
 

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Lilani said:
Darknacht said:
Lilani said:
ONE person get deus-ex-machina'd through a story which was carefully crafted to make sure they are the ONLY ONE that could EVER have done ANYTHING that needed to get done to make the mission a success.
In what way was the mission a success? If they pulled off some great plan that saved the day it would have made since to have lots of different groups all working together, but this was the story of one mostly useless guy floating through the disaster watching/helping the military be useless/mess stuff up, then decide to light a fire, the one useful thing he did, and go back to being useless.
You know, you make a very good point, which makes his heroic rescue and return seem even sillier in hindsight. The only reason they ever had to tell him ANYTHING about Godzilla or the MUTOs after his father died was to get more information from him about his father. Otherwise, pretty much anybody else in the military could have done what he did. And there is no movie in existence that can generate enough suspension of disbelief to convince the audience he was the only person in the US military who knows how to arm and disarm a nuke.
Sorry, for a second I thought you were talking about the Amazing Spiderman movie.
 

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please at least tell me someone yells "GODZILLA!!" at some point...that's in there right?...right?
 

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Personally, I think the film should've been about Godzilla's impact on East Asia and possibly humanity if the film would permit Regenerator G1.
 

Lilani

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Oly J said:
please at least tell me someone yells "GODZILLA!!" at some point...that's in there right?...right?
The main Japanese guy is the first one to say Godzilla's name, and he says it in the most dramatic and thickly-accented way imaginable (GOZIRA.). But unfortunately, at least as far as I remember, nobody really shouts it. The general public doesn't know him by name until the very end, and all they do for him is cheer, but don't shout his name or anything.
 

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While I did enjoy it, I will say my one small gripe is that Godzilla seemed like a background character in this movie. Even during the final fight (most of the 6 minutes of time Godzilla gets fighting) most the clips last for at most 30 seconds before cutting to the military doing something and Godzilla's fight in the background.
 

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To be honest, a lot of the criticism you raise about this movie could be raised even more devastatingly at Pacific Rim, as the characters and overall script in that movie was just embarrassing. I just watched Godzilla today, and it is by far a more coherent well accomplished package. At least I thought it really put Pacific Rim to shame.
I wouldn't say it was flawless, as I do agree that the the "soldier dudebro" character was absolutely forgettable. But overall it was very entertaining, and far better written than expected.

I also felt that the fact that godzilla was not shown for most of the movie increased the sense of the monster as something of a more mythological proportion. I don't particularly think it accomplished a lot of tension as in Jaws (and I don't think that was the purpose either), but instead, it grew my expectation and excitement for when he DID show up, which was honestly absolutely spectacular.

I don't want to be mean, and I am often very critical of Bob, but I feel that criticizing other critics for their "snobbish appreciation of the slow burning action of the movie" makes him look quite unprofessional ( as if he knows better than other critics ) rather unreasonable and kind of resentful (Since a lot of the explanations of the effective escalation of the movie are far more comprehensive than just an Alien / Jaws parallel). I find it quite low and pedantic, almost blinded by his ego.

I'm ok with disagreeing with a critic, but I find that by him undermining his colleagues and their rather valid opinions make his own appreciations easy to dismiss.
 

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Lilani said:
Oly J said:
please at least tell me someone yells "GODZILLA!!" at some point...that's in there right?...right?
The main Japanese guy is the first one to say Godzilla's name, and he says it in the most dramatic and thickly-accented way imaginable (GOZIRA.). But unfortunately, at least as far as I remember, nobody really shouts it. The general public doesn't know him by name until the very end, and all they do for him is cheer, but don't shout his name or anything.
You do know the monster is actually called Gojira in the original movies right?

Anyway, I don't think anyone really expected a great movie out of this. Hollywood is just too adicted to trying to make the same over homogenized movie every single time. They need to step back and take a look at what TV shows are currently popular and realize that they don't need to do that anymore and that people would be more interested in seeing more varied and less predictable movies.
 

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Flunk said:
Lilani said:
Oly J said:
please at least tell me someone yells "GODZILLA!!" at some point...that's in there right?...right?
The main Japanese guy is the first one to say Godzilla's name, and he says it in the most dramatic and thickly-accented way imaginable (GOZIRA.). But unfortunately, at least as far as I remember, nobody really shouts it. The general public doesn't know him by name until the very end, and all they do for him is cheer, but don't shout his name or anything.
You do know the monster is actually called Gojira in the original movies right?
I KNOW that, but there's something about hearing it so played up in what is otherwise a painfully American adaptation of the franchise that made it feel more like a joke than an actual attempt to demonstrate the original pronunciation of the name.
 

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Wow, I thought there would be at least a few more people lining up opposing Bob on this one... guess I was way off.

I took my mom to a morning matinee of this for belated mother's day, and we thoroughly enjoyed this film. Will this be my #1 pick for the year? Not by a long shot. Was it airtight and completely sound in all it showed me? Not even close - (how many military bomb disposal units are cleared and capable of a HALO jump? And why do the military keep a)shooting at any of these things and b) keep sending up jets/choppers after the first EMP pulse knocks things out? Just to name a few) yet we were lost in the magic of the film for a couple hours. My only real gripe is that they could have shaved off about 20-30 minutes and this would have probably had minimal complaints. I still wonder how much griping FOR that annoying 'human content' we'd be hearing from Bob and his co-reviewers if we saw what it seems Bob is asking for, a 90-120 minute pure monster slugfest.

Personally, I think Taylor-Johnson did fine with what was handed him, and Olsen's character was next to pointless, but that's not Edwards' fault, nor is it the actors' either. You work with what you have, and in the end, for a movie whose inspiration was the monstrosity and mystery of nuclear power and its ramifications, they handled that portion great. They also did well with the explanation of the WHY these things are even around. Watanabe and Cranston were perfect, and yes, more of them couldn't have hurt, they still added perfectly to the film in their roles.
Of course, Ford is emotionally stunted, he lost his mom (and kinda his dad) at an early age, I'd be an emotional troll too. Is that reason to despise him? Was Burr really all that in King of the Monsters? Nope, he was just as bland, and a reporter to boot, with nothing to do but find out what was going on, but that's because the bigger picture/story is what is supposed to captivate, not the actual figurehead that carries you through the chaos.

I guess I just don't get what those of you that complained want from a movie... a 'Perfect' movie would be a disaster, as anything else will forever be terrible.
Take what's good and enjoy the ride, I know we did.

...And Mr. Chipman, for all your uses of Ego, it seems like you missed his character's revelation, or perhaps do not remember it (As you usually utilize Lovitz' Critic screenshot instead).
Remember to enjoy things, sir, even when they are simple (or not 'Great'!) and not what you are accustomed to, enjoy them (it may make your job a bit easier).