Oh. I was wondering how that movie was. I was thinking about watching it.
I might get around to it.
I might get around to it.
Escape to the Movies: Red State
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Kevin Smith, he's lost his edge and stuff. If he just kept making movies with Jay and Silent Bob (as he is still a stonier and could never possibly get that wrong) that were at least as good as Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, I would be happy. I mean, who doesn't like Jay's rap?
Where did the accent go Movie Guy? I though it was cool and stuff.
Yeah but you also said that Splice was the best movie of the year and I thought it was horrible. So either this is super horrible or actually good. I'll have to find out.
Stereotype, the last refuge of poor writers. People wonder why I don't got to the damn movies anymore. This kind of tripe is why, I don't even care if something negative about something that is tangentially related to a part of something that is considered 'my ideology', but doing it badly, really badly...that's what pisses me off. Using christian fundamentalists who are clearly outlandish caricatures of an extreme sect is just bad. Terribly bad.
If he actually wanted to make a movie about religious groups who persecute homosexuality in much the same way, he should have used Islam. Or if he'd wanted to write about governments whose actions revolve around wiping out religious sects, he could have used China. But no...the 'stock villain' writing can't be legitimate, it can't point at actual widespread atrocities being committed in this world every day by real groups, instead it has to be Christian Americans are the villain, and the American government is the villain.
What ever happened to movies that made you think about how it relates to reality, rather than makes you wonder how it's warping reality?
If he actually wanted to make a movie about religious groups who persecute homosexuality in much the same way, he should have used Islam. Or if he'd wanted to write about governments whose actions revolve around wiping out religious sects, he could have used China. But no...the 'stock villain' writing can't be legitimate, it can't point at actual widespread atrocities being committed in this world every day by real groups, instead it has to be Christian Americans are the villain, and the American government is the villain.
What ever happened to movies that made you think about how it relates to reality, rather than makes you wonder how it's warping reality?
Well...aegix drakan said:
at the critical point at the end of the movie (sort of critical), the sound of trumpets is heard. The religious nuts interpret them as the sign of the end of the world - as the 7 trumpets in the Book of Revelation. You kind of get this Dogma-vibe, as if Alanis Morrisette is going to come down from the heavens and deal out justice. But then you realize it is a shitty 4M dollar B-movie, so there is no way Smith would be able to pull something like that off. And sure enough the movie skips to the next scene where we have Goodman explaining that it was some college kids with an old firehouse siren playing trumpet noises off their ipod just to yank the preacher character's chain. And that is about it.
So what, does Kevin Smith think that Fred Phelps is some kind of mega-conservative? Need I point out that Fred Phelps has run for various offices as a Democrat?
To be fair, though, for Fred Phelps it was less about a political ideology than it was about, well, himself.
To be fair, though, for Fred Phelps it was less about a political ideology than it was about, well, himself.
I don't know if this got posted on the Facebook comments or not. I hope I'm not violating a ToS or something by posting here as well.
It seems the overall message of this movie, to put it in a dialect Bob would understand: You don't gotta be a religious nut job to be some kinda fuck (but it helps).
I don't know that much about American politics regarding movies, but I recall someone (might have been Bob reviewing a Transformers movie) saying you can't actually film a movie and include the military with authentic military hardware and uniforms without the green light from the Pentagon. With that in mind the movie would have been perfectly coherent if you replaced the Extremist Christians, teens, and feds in the south with Facist Muslims, tourists/missionaries/whatever, and American soldiers in the middle east. Except that movie would never see the light of day in America.
I'm not saying this movie went over Bob's head, but ratther under it; he didn't see the forest because someone was beating him over the head with a tree.
It seems the overall message of this movie, to put it in a dialect Bob would understand: You don't gotta be a religious nut job to be some kinda fuck (but it helps).
I don't know that much about American politics regarding movies, but I recall someone (might have been Bob reviewing a Transformers movie) saying you can't actually film a movie and include the military with authentic military hardware and uniforms without the green light from the Pentagon. With that in mind the movie would have been perfectly coherent if you replaced the Extremist Christians, teens, and feds in the south with Facist Muslims, tourists/missionaries/whatever, and American soldiers in the middle east. Except that movie would never see the light of day in America.
I'm not saying this movie went over Bob's head, but ratther under it; he didn't see the forest because someone was beating him over the head with a tree.
Apparently there was supposed to be a different ending
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During various interactive Q&As for the film, Smith has stated that the original ending actually continued through with the trumpets signalling the Rapture. After Cooper tells Keenan to shoot him, Cooper's chest explodes, followed by the remaining family members' chests exploding one by one, and then the remaining agents' chests exploding one by one. During these deaths, the ground shakes and splits, and Keenan curls up on the ground and closes his eyes. When he opens his eyes he sees the last agent killed with a giant sword coming out of his chest, which is being wielded by an enormous armoured angel. The angel looks at Keenan, puts a finger to his lips, and says "shhhhh". The angel then flies off into the sky, and as the angel banks out of the picture the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse descend.[10]
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During various interactive Q&As for the film, Smith has stated that the original ending actually continued through with the trumpets signalling the Rapture. After Cooper tells Keenan to shoot him, Cooper's chest explodes, followed by the remaining family members' chests exploding one by one, and then the remaining agents' chests exploding one by one. During these deaths, the ground shakes and splits, and Keenan curls up on the ground and closes his eyes. When he opens his eyes he sees the last agent killed with a giant sword coming out of his chest, which is being wielded by an enormous armoured angel. The angel looks at Keenan, puts a finger to his lips, and says "shhhhh". The angel then flies off into the sky, and as the angel banks out of the picture the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse descend.[10]
Just came across this. Fascinating, really.
There are a few alternatives here. Either Moviebob got massively trolled by Kevin Smith and didn't understand how. Or Moviebob tries to massively troll everyone by saying that Red State is on par with The Room, which is just completely asinine and takes away pretty much any credibility Bob has as a critic. Both alternatives has Bob looking bad.
There are a few alternatives here. Either Moviebob got massively trolled by Kevin Smith and didn't understand how. Or Moviebob tries to massively troll everyone by saying that Red State is on par with The Room, which is just completely asinine and takes away pretty much any credibility Bob has as a critic. Both alternatives has Bob looking bad.