Bob, what's with the bleeping out of "cunting" where you said "this is a cunting great action movie"? Swearing is allowed on The Escapist, or does that only apply to Yahtzee?
Escape to the Movies: Skyfall
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Hm.... this makes it sound like the Bond movie I've been waiting for. I remember at the end of Casino Royale, that final scene had me thinking "oh hell yeah, origin story's over, next movie Bond is gonna be 100% full Bond".
And then I watched Quantum of Solace and it seems like he kind of reverted to an even less Bondlike state for that movie. I'll definitely be checking this out to see if they finally got Craig's Bond character complete.
And then I watched Quantum of Solace and it seems like he kind of reverted to an even less Bondlike state for that movie. I'll definitely be checking this out to see if they finally got Craig's Bond character complete.
... Did nobody watch Casino Royale? I guess they've probably melted into one another in people's minds a little, but Royale has a very definite sense of humour. (I actually thought it handles humour better than Skyfall, which tries too hard to get laughs at certain points.) It's dry as hell, but people keep claiming it's laden-faced and that Craig's Bond doesn't have any sense of humour or look like he's having fun, which is total crap.The Great JT said:
It's not a Bourne rip-off just because you're no longer watching a franchise smother itself in unintentional self-parody.Plinglebob said:
Very, very loosely in the past, at choice moments. Since Casino Royale, there's been a much stronger sense of continuity.daxterx2005 said:
so, its good, and i still havent seen the last 2 bond movies. i guess i have to rent them one day. but for now, im not rushing to see it. i still think the older once are the best with connery and moor.
SPOILERS!!!!!! SPOILLLLLLLERSSSSS! SPOILERS!
This is the worst Bond movie ever made. Forgot Bond movie....it's the worst action film I have seen.
What is wrong with everyone??!
Every single time the plot advances there are several new plot holes and contrivances.
How does Craig continue fighting with a bullet in him? I know his awesome hard but his not terminator
Bond was being held up by the throat on the train in the specific angle? this was the most imaginative way they could use to 'kill off Bond' and make him all upset about being betrayed?
Not only is it overdone but it's still full of plot holes.
Bond could hear the order- he could of just dropped to the floor
Why didn't Naomi keep shooting?
How did Bond survive 2 bullet wounds and that fall? Bourne or the punisher survive..because this is how their journey begins...it's what makes them special. You can't do something like that to an already special established character
So we are just going to explain everything by hacking magic? can we have hacking defined in this universe because it's a bit vague- like how, the context, the limitations...kind of like how die hard 4, goldeneye do it? for all i know silva could of programmed a satellite to fall on people.
Bond pulls a uranium tipped bullet shrapnel out of his chest? led poisoning? does this isotope of uranium cause cancer? Only 3 baddies in the world use this bullet?!! his a ghost! but here's his flight manifesto! This is how we are going to advance the plot??!?!
Bond can't shoot and has crap fitness? is it mental or physical? -i need to watch it again.
Half way through the film his 100% again
Bond follows an assassin and allows him to kill people. But in casino royale and QoS he grew into a character that at first didn't care (half monk half hitman) but then became a good guy (fell in love, saved cammille- even though he didn't have to). As part of a trilogy this is inconsistent.
The bad guys escape- the joker's was creative; silva had a convenient trap door? are you kidding me?!! I know lets put the hacker in a cell that's connected and controlled by our computer network. Lets not connect Silva's laptop to an isolated computer..this is hollywood hacking 101 stuff since 1997.
Silva hacks everything and has planned everything but his master plan is a firefight in a courtroom?! Why not just kidnap M with hacking.
Now i think about it..what did silva achieve by being caught? He could of had a convo with M at any time because hacking can do everything now. The joker got that chinese accountant person...silva got a free flight to london!
knowing all this lets go back to the start;
Why are there only 2 agents (+ 1 dead) trying to get the macgiffin list?
How did the bad guys get it...what was it doing in turkey?
What happened to the list half way through?
I thought this was a good way to start it...but looking at the lack of imagination & creativity throughout the rest of the film it was clear they just couldn't think of a reason. Even charlies angels 2 thought up those '2 rings'.
I'm going to stop here...the plot holes and stupidities of every character involved continue and i probably missed a lot out.
The point is a film like dark knight will have far fewer plot holes and stupid moments and when they do occur atleast Nolan isn't regurgitating easy plot devices and is being a bit more creative about it. You can do mind gymnastics to answer questions but after about 5 major ones narrative coherence goes into the toilet.
Why is Q, the quartermaster a master hacker, programmer? These are completely different skill sets.
The themes are lame; james Bond in a new world. we did this in goldeneye already. and the last 2 movies, financing terror/civil wars, natural resources....i don't think we need this theme...just a harvey dent conference moment for skyfall.
There is nothing 'deep' about going back to skyfall/parents house. I can make a dozen fanfictions about the main character going to his old house to get cheap applause.
QoS wasn't well made. but the story was good. part of the origin story, same book. Bond is on a rampage trying to get revenge/understanding/solace about what happened to vesper. At the same time all this Quantum stuff is going on, CIA and his own government are involved with them. At the end the issues for casino royale are resolved and he becomes the more balanced Bond we know.
Craig is 'angry' throughout the entire movie because he is supposed to be;Bond doesn't talk about his feelings so he does it mostly through action. the audience are left wondering if he really is out of control.
If they didn't execute this so the typical audience member didn't get it..then fair enough.. but i expect a movie critic/reviewer to be able to appreciate what they were trying to do and comment on it- Not like mark kermode who complains because he can't even understand the title! youtube his review if you want to see useless.
We are in a new era of stupid.
This is the worst Bond movie ever made. Forgot Bond movie....it's the worst action film I have seen.
What is wrong with everyone??!
Every single time the plot advances there are several new plot holes and contrivances.
How does Craig continue fighting with a bullet in him? I know his awesome hard but his not terminator
Bond was being held up by the throat on the train in the specific angle? this was the most imaginative way they could use to 'kill off Bond' and make him all upset about being betrayed?
Not only is it overdone but it's still full of plot holes.
Bond could hear the order- he could of just dropped to the floor
Why didn't Naomi keep shooting?
How did Bond survive 2 bullet wounds and that fall? Bourne or the punisher survive..because this is how their journey begins...it's what makes them special. You can't do something like that to an already special established character
So we are just going to explain everything by hacking magic? can we have hacking defined in this universe because it's a bit vague- like how, the context, the limitations...kind of like how die hard 4, goldeneye do it? for all i know silva could of programmed a satellite to fall on people.
Bond pulls a uranium tipped bullet shrapnel out of his chest? led poisoning? does this isotope of uranium cause cancer? Only 3 baddies in the world use this bullet?!! his a ghost! but here's his flight manifesto! This is how we are going to advance the plot??!?!
Bond can't shoot and has crap fitness? is it mental or physical? -i need to watch it again.
Half way through the film his 100% again
Bond follows an assassin and allows him to kill people. But in casino royale and QoS he grew into a character that at first didn't care (half monk half hitman) but then became a good guy (fell in love, saved cammille- even though he didn't have to). As part of a trilogy this is inconsistent.
The bad guys escape- the joker's was creative; silva had a convenient trap door? are you kidding me?!! I know lets put the hacker in a cell that's connected and controlled by our computer network. Lets not connect Silva's laptop to an isolated computer..this is hollywood hacking 101 stuff since 1997.
Silva hacks everything and has planned everything but his master plan is a firefight in a courtroom?! Why not just kidnap M with hacking.
Now i think about it..what did silva achieve by being caught? He could of had a convo with M at any time because hacking can do everything now. The joker got that chinese accountant person...silva got a free flight to london!
knowing all this lets go back to the start;
Why are there only 2 agents (+ 1 dead) trying to get the macgiffin list?
How did the bad guys get it...what was it doing in turkey?
What happened to the list half way through?
I thought this was a good way to start it...but looking at the lack of imagination & creativity throughout the rest of the film it was clear they just couldn't think of a reason. Even charlies angels 2 thought up those '2 rings'.
I'm going to stop here...the plot holes and stupidities of every character involved continue and i probably missed a lot out.
The point is a film like dark knight will have far fewer plot holes and stupid moments and when they do occur atleast Nolan isn't regurgitating easy plot devices and is being a bit more creative about it. You can do mind gymnastics to answer questions but after about 5 major ones narrative coherence goes into the toilet.
Why is Q, the quartermaster a master hacker, programmer? These are completely different skill sets.
The themes are lame; james Bond in a new world. we did this in goldeneye already. and the last 2 movies, financing terror/civil wars, natural resources....i don't think we need this theme...just a harvey dent conference moment for skyfall.
There is nothing 'deep' about going back to skyfall/parents house. I can make a dozen fanfictions about the main character going to his old house to get cheap applause.
QoS wasn't well made. but the story was good. part of the origin story, same book. Bond is on a rampage trying to get revenge/understanding/solace about what happened to vesper. At the same time all this Quantum stuff is going on, CIA and his own government are involved with them. At the end the issues for casino royale are resolved and he becomes the more balanced Bond we know.
Craig is 'angry' throughout the entire movie because he is supposed to be;Bond doesn't talk about his feelings so he does it mostly through action. the audience are left wondering if he really is out of control.
If they didn't execute this so the typical audience member didn't get it..then fair enough.. but i expect a movie critic/reviewer to be able to appreciate what they were trying to do and comment on it- Not like mark kermode who complains because he can't even understand the title! youtube his review if you want to see useless.
We are in a new era of stupid.
I really wasn't much of a fan of the newer, Daniel Craig James Bond movies. As such I wasn't planning to see it. However I ended up getting asked and it was an Orange Wednesday and thought why not - and I'm so glad I did.
I agree with Bob on this one, as a James Bond its good, as an action movie it is great.
I agree with Bob on this one, as a James Bond its good, as an action movie it is great.
In fairness yes but the movie itself deals with that, asking the question of Bond and M that are they too old for this modern world of cyber terrorism?Gizmo1990 said:
It's a great movie and worth a watch, without revealing much the central plot of this is fantastic and watching it all escalate and unfold is some of the best film this year.
About Arnold reprising the role of Conan: it's not going to be as bad as the extremely brief summary Bob gave us makes it out to be. Basically, the movie is going to be a direct sequel to the original Conan movie, except 30 years later. Conan has been King for 30 years, and grown fat on a life of excess. Now what? Basically, it's going to take a look at the part of action movies that reliably gets neglected, being "what happens once the action's over?" So he's returning to the role of Conan, but not in the way that we're used to seeing Conan.
Casino, sure.jFr[e said:
Here is a summary:
Bond kills 2 people, gets liscence to kill. Kills 'em like a thug, rather than a Gentleman.
Goes places, shit blows up, kills people. Brass at MI6 not happy.
Send James on another mission reguardless.
Plays poker. Kills people inbetween scessions. Finds fuck buddy. Wins at poker.
More people die. Bond crashes cars. Everyone apart from bond, including his fuck buddy turned lover. Contemplates leaving job, as Spy/ssassinhitman. Learns women betrated him.
Sad.
Decides to stay. Shoots guy in the knee caps.
Goes places, shit blows up, kills people. Brass at MI6 not happy.
Send James on another mission reguardless.
Plays poker. Kills people inbetween scessions. Finds fuck buddy. Wins at poker.
More people die. Bond crashes cars. Everyone apart from bond, including his fuck buddy turned lover. Contemplates leaving job, as Spy/
Sad.
Decides to stay. Shoots guy in the knee caps.
Quantum... a lot of people die. It was a bad film... There was something about oil, then water and then everyone died, almost. Fuck buddy survived this time. ahh... but which one...
If you watched the other 2 films then you may look back and think, oh! That makes a bit more sense now... otherwise, you've missed little in terms of back story.
Summary: Bond starts as thug...then bit less thug... now bond.
Pretty much mirrors my thoughts. The instant the real trailers started coming out I was like "Another one? Come on, didn't everyone hate Quantum of Solice?.... Wait... is that Q? Oh hell yes."
I was just excited to see the first actual James Bond movie to come out in ten fucking years, instead of a Jason Born movie with some guy named James Bond running around doing stupid shit that should end with him getting executed for causing international incidents.
I was just excited to see the first actual James Bond movie to come out in ten fucking years, instead of a Jason Born movie with some guy named James Bond running around doing stupid shit that should end with him getting executed for causing international incidents.
