Um, bob? Do you want to watch a decent movie length toy commercial? If you do, just private message me and I will link you to the youtube video.MovieBob said:
Escape to the Movies: The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - The Movie That Broke MovieBob
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I thought it was "meh". There were parts I liked, plenty I didn't but didn't feel bad after watching it. It was... a movie, not one way or the other, if you catch my drift. While I can also understand Bob's overall downbeat attitude, I'm not buying him feeling done with everything. He knew he wouldn't like it long before the first trailer even came out.
In a twist though, the Avengers films Bob and many of us love are the reason for this. Sony is reacting to Marvel Studios's success. Same with DC. All the good those films have brought, there has been and will continue to be a lasting negative consequence.
However I will say now as I've said in the past, I think Bob is going to hate the new Godzilla regardless. There just seems to be a lot of foreshadowing, not liking the "serious" previews, the Big Picture episode on the matter etc. I may have to quote myself now when the film and his review do come out.
In a twist though, the Avengers films Bob and many of us love are the reason for this. Sony is reacting to Marvel Studios's success. Same with DC. All the good those films have brought, there has been and will continue to be a lasting negative consequence.
However I will say now as I've said in the past, I think Bob is going to hate the new Godzilla regardless. There just seems to be a lot of foreshadowing, not liking the "serious" previews, the Big Picture episode on the matter etc. I may have to quote myself now when the film and his review do come out.
If you ever get the chance to try Spiderman 2 the game, do it. You will thoroughly enjoy it. It brings across the one thing that people miss about Spidey while they (often rightfully) hate on the terrible writing happening for Peter Parker: being Spider-Man is heart-pounding, joy inducing, bloody FUN! His power set is kick-ass without being broken, and web-slinging is pure awesome-sauce. Doubly so in SM2 - many is the player who got carried away web-slinging about Manhattan and forgot to actually get to the mission point on time.shogunblade said:
Loads of the worlds heroes are cool, but not all of them get to have fun doing so. It's also why the Ninja Turtles are so beloved.
I couldn't love this more. Not Bob hating it, no, but Bob throwing a petulant fit because Sony won't play fair and give the Spider-man ball to Marvel where it can do the exact same thing that Sony does, franchise building and sequel setting. Couldn't love it more that he whines about how "boring" the villains are, or how "shitty" they look compared to the "cooler-looking" comic book counterparts. (Because a giant rhino robot is worse than a man wearing a rhino suit, or a blue man made of electricity looks worse than whatever the fuck this is) If a comic book movie deviates from a comic book in any sort of form, you better believe Bob's going to hate it.
Bob even acknowledges that Sony and Marvel do the exact same thing, but he can't bring himself to criticize the Marvel ones because he believes those are more complete with character arcs and growth, even though I've yet to see a comic book movie where a character grew more than a WWE character. Callbacks and easter eggs and side characters that don't mean shit but give the fans something to squeal about is what Marvel does. So to rail against one for doing it while simultaneously praising the other is just the height of hypocritical fanboyism. Oh yeah, I know he said he totally doesn't want it to fail so it can revert back to Marvel, but lets be honest here.
TL;DR: Bob should really just give up and become a fisherman
Bob even acknowledges that Sony and Marvel do the exact same thing, but he can't bring himself to criticize the Marvel ones because he believes those are more complete with character arcs and growth, even though I've yet to see a comic book movie where a character grew more than a WWE character. Callbacks and easter eggs and side characters that don't mean shit but give the fans something to squeal about is what Marvel does. So to rail against one for doing it while simultaneously praising the other is just the height of hypocritical fanboyism. Oh yeah, I know he said he totally doesn't want it to fail so it can revert back to Marvel, but lets be honest here.
TL;DR: Bob should really just give up and become a fisherman
The line from his first Captain America review ("This is exactly what I pictured in my head when I was six years old playing Captain America") should tell you everything you need to know about Bob's problems as a critic, especially with comic book movies.piscian said:
At this point I'm really hoping the whole comic books extended cinematic universe theme fails. You can have comic book movies and franchises, go ahead. But if your eye is always on this bigger world and not the story, the story tends to be lacking. A lot. If Captain's got a demi-god and an indestructible monster on his side, why is anything ever in danger.
"What happens if Cap doesn't destroy the helicarriers?"
"Well one of them's targeting Hulk, who just gets real pissed off if you shoot him, so he'll probably take care of this."
You and me both.Zachary Amaranth said:
I have been loudly outspoken on these forums as someone who absolutely despises Final Fantasy XIII, with reasons mostly stemming from my past experiences with the Final Fantasy franchise before it. I dare say that how I feel about Final Fantasy XIII would almost even approach how Bob felt about Amazing Spider-Man, or how a great portion of the internet still seems to feel about Star Wars.
But why would I ever let that ruin my enjoyment of the rest of the Final Fantasy franchise? If anything, it reinforces what I loved about the previous entries even more. It means I'm still hopeful for a day when they get back to making things I'm interested in. Why should I waste so much of my energy on saying that Square Enix "ruined" their franchise for me, when instead I can brush it off and move on and merely hope they do better next time? It's just a video game. And in the case of Amazing Spider-Man 2, it's just a movie.
I'll be honest, I couldn't even watch this entire video. I've been getting tired of most of the superhero coverage since a few months before The Avengers came out, and it just gets hammered in deeper and deeper with every new superhero film Bob covers. But this? This crossed a line into 'unprofessional' that I don't think any critic should do as part of their paid work. I'm the first person to say that 'critics should be objective' is a silly argument, because there is practically no objectivity in entertainment outside of production values, but there's still professionalism, and that should keep someone from making six minute rants about how they're depressed and feeling done with their job because of one movie which, by their own admission, they only consider "mediocre".
Well Bob, now you know how i feel since they announced that a live action version of Lord of the Rings would be in the planning (1994) and that it is planned to replace Samwise Gamgee with a female, because the Samwise/Frodo relationship looked too gay.
To my relieve, Samwise was in the movies, but i still have this urge to puke at everything LotR related. And the butchering of the Hobbit just proves i was right for the last 20 years.
To my relieve, Samwise was in the movies, but i still have this urge to puke at everything LotR related. And the butchering of the Hobbit just proves i was right for the last 20 years.
Couldn't have said it better. As you wish failure upon those who butchered Spider Man, i wish you to understand the full extent of the dissapointment ME3 brought upon those who loved the franchise.Redd the Sock said:
To each his own, but I think Bob tends to get way to wrapped up in the drama of what is in the end, an artless cash-in. This is part of becoming an adult nerd. You must expect that corporations, who only want money, are going to frequently making a mess of a thing you like. But none of that other stuff is erased. You don't have coal miner's lung, Bob, you just have to see a bad movie every year, which is already guaranteed to happen anyway. If your dreams are crushed by Sony Pictures, it might be better that you find new dreams in the long run.
I think people carrying personal baggage and pre-existing notions of what they think Spidey should be is the problem. You've had one film to guage the direction they're taking him. If you didn't like it then it's a safe bet you won't like this. Generally it seems people that love the Maguire/Raimi films hate ASM and vice versa.
Either way, Sony aren't giving the rights back. So it doesn't matter what your personal take on film!Spidey is, this is the one we have for now (until they inevitably reboot it again).
Personally, I didn't like the Raimi films. I didn't like Toby Maguire and I couldn't have given two shits about Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane. And Spiderman 3 was a goddamn travesty; I had such acute second-hand embarrassment from that film. It was awful. Willem Dafoe and Alred Molina were the bomb though.
So far I've liked both ASM films. Garfield to me is infinitely superior as Spiderman (though I'm not convinced of him as Peter Parker). On more than one occasion his snarky quips and antics had me and my friends laughing in the cinema. I also liked Emma Stone as Gwen; she didn't make me want to flip tables half as much as Dunst did.
I do think the new films have a massive weakness in the villain department though. Credit where it's due, Raimi's villains (at least in 1 & 2) were awesome. Rhino was... disappointing. And they could have done more with Electro. More build up to the scene where
Was ASM2 perfect? No.
Were there plot holes and dodgy writing? Definitely.
Did I have fun for 2 hours and leave entertained? Hell yes.
Either way, Sony aren't giving the rights back. So it doesn't matter what your personal take on film!Spidey is, this is the one we have for now (until they inevitably reboot it again).
Personally, I didn't like the Raimi films. I didn't like Toby Maguire and I couldn't have given two shits about Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane. And Spiderman 3 was a goddamn travesty; I had such acute second-hand embarrassment from that film. It was awful. Willem Dafoe and Alred Molina were the bomb though.
So far I've liked both ASM films. Garfield to me is infinitely superior as Spiderman (though I'm not convinced of him as Peter Parker). On more than one occasion his snarky quips and antics had me and my friends laughing in the cinema. I also liked Emma Stone as Gwen; she didn't make me want to flip tables half as much as Dunst did.
I do think the new films have a massive weakness in the villain department though. Credit where it's due, Raimi's villains (at least in 1 & 2) were awesome. Rhino was... disappointing. And they could have done more with Electro. More build up to the scene where
he realises that even though everyone is now noticing him, Spidey is still number 1; it seemed to happen too quickly.
Was ASM2 perfect? No.
Were there plot holes and dodgy writing? Definitely.
Did I have fun for 2 hours and leave entertained? Hell yes.
This from the guy who loved Springbreakers!
Sure, the script was written by monkeys but I saw it in 3d and the web-swinging alone gave me a good time.
Sure, the script was written by monkeys but I saw it in 3d and the web-swinging alone gave me a good time.
So Bob is going through the exact same emotions that thousands of Star Wars fans are after the closing of the EU. Huh, weird coincidence. But yeah anyone who's had that experience of something that used to be one of your greatest joys in life turning into something you hate knows it sucks.
The exact fucking opposite of what Bob said he wanted but ok. I can see that you are going to be completely reasonable and not at all petty in your line of argument.irishda said:
The villains ARE boring no matter what your definition is, and Bob does a pretty good job of explaining his reasoning. Electro is built up like the big bad but his arc doesn't make much sense and ultimately he just turns out to be a henchman for the equally boring Green Goblin, and the Rhino is litterary just in it for two scenes and have absolutely no fucking characterisation beyond obnoxious and stupid Russian stereotype.irishda said:
As for the looks thing, I agree that the original designs really aren't a whole lot "cooler", but that is also not something I will fault Bob on since he pretty much admits up front that part is his own preference. What IS a bit more objective in this case is that these new designs are a tad more lazy when being "out there" has always been one of the reasons to go see these types of characters.
You don't pay a whole lot of attention to Bob's videos do you?irishda said:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/7231-The-Big-Spoiler-Iron-Man-3
Because if YOU don't see the merits that another critic sees in a movie, then obviously they don't exist. "Dissenting opinions", what's that?irishda said:
Except Bob has often and repeatedly made it clear that there is a difference between a Movie franchise that focuses on creating Movies that work as standalone features yet remain interconnected by references and easter eggs, and a franchise created for the SOLE purpose of delivering minor callbacks, references and easter eggs in order because that is what that other franchise did and they made a gazillion dollars. Please, just stop talking already. You obviously have no interest in any kind of discussion because you repeatedly make claims about Bob's supposed intentions that he has already addressed. I haven't even seen you try to refute a single Point he made against the Movie itself, you just want to Point out how much of a "hypocrite" he is because he dares to have a personal interest in these types of Movies and because he also happens to Think that one Company is better at it than others.irishda said:
Yes, he does. His standards are not the same as yours, and his belief system is not the same as yours. It is pretty egotistical and judgmental to say his disappointment is somehow less valid than yours just because of the specific subject matters involved; particularly when--and forgive me if this sounds dismissive of your faith--many people consider Spider-Man and Jesus Christ to be of approximately equal historical authenticity. You do not get to set his priorities, nor determine the strength of his reactions.SuperScrub said:
Then, by all means, enjoy your enlightenment over those of us more benighted than you. I have tried to explain the feeling to you and you do not understand, which is fine, but I do not have any interest in trying to explain any further if you're just going to belittle and dismiss others' feelings simply because they aren't your own.Zachary Amaranth said:
What metrics are you referring to, Delcast? What specific methods of judgment are you using? Because I have to say, it sounds very much like you're inventing some sort of objective scale of movie quality out of thin air in order to justify calling Mr. Chipman names.Delcast said:
Damn that wrap up sums how i've felt since OMD and when Doc Ock took over Peter's body. What a sad state of affairs, oh well at least I have Spider-man 2099.
My mate keeps trying to get me to see this film and I keep telling him I want to spend my money on something more worth while... like heroine.
Anyway, I catch this on TV or get a dvd file off a mate when it's available. But I think it proves those who complained about Gobby in the first film looking like a power ranger are full of crap, he looks and did look tamed compared to what we got in this film.
Oh I saw this image on IGN and it convinces me how the Green Goblin's original look could work on screen.
It's still silly but it's better than - well that!
My mate keeps trying to get me to see this film and I keep telling him I want to spend my money on something more worth while... like heroine.
Anyway, I catch this on TV or get a dvd file off a mate when it's available. But I think it proves those who complained about Gobby in the first film looking like a power ranger are full of crap, he looks and did look tamed compared to what we got in this film.
Oh I saw this image on IGN and it convinces me how the Green Goblin's original look could work on screen.
It's still silly but it's better than - well that!
Could someone spoiler-tag the bit that Bob mentioned was laughable? I don't play on paying to see the movie while its in theaters. (I'm pretty sure I already know what the events of the scene in question are, but I want to know what it was that took away its gravity. Spoil away!)
Oooookay. I see you are also using 1st year film school phrases without some context. You are telling me its bad that they are setting stuff up for future films AND telling me its stupid they didn't set up harry for this movie from the last one. Also please stop assuming every protagonist has to be this overlord with some diabolical plan from the beginning that gets foiled from the one thing super heroes are set up to do. The parts where you don't know if he is doing this because it will fill a master plan, or he is just really angry and has super powers. That really is the most terrifying part of the film. By the way I love the copy pasting you are doing because you really have nothing else to say other than what Bob said.Gerardo Vazquez said: