Uh, it's more of a horror aspect that I am looking for, not the plot. Personally, I think plot for both movie genres are pretty typical (at least Act 3 part is). Besides, I think I am more engaged to plot of Asian horror movie (which seldom has good/happy endings) than typical American serial killer movies.Gunnyboy said:Yeah, how many dead ghost girls movies has Asia released? How many gore filled lame killer movies? Give me a break.lastoflancas said:This is exactly why I always stick to good old Asian horror films, if I ever want to get my horror movie fix. No, not remakes. Remakes tend to remove actual tension and thrill out of the original.
What the hell is 'religion' and what does it say? I'm only familiar with different religious traditions and the sects they are composed of. Like I said, one can easily make a deist argument about god creating man through evolution. However, that person wouldn't have a literalistic interpretation of the bible. And many people do. Who's right in their interpretation? Not relevant to what I'm trying to say.Ultratwinkie said:Snippy snip-
I learned of evolution at an early age, and yet it doesn't conflict with anything religion says. People are just trying to use religion as a cover so they can act like they are more than animals when humans are just that, smart animals. Life is amazing and can do and be anything, simple as that. Anyone who thinks life isn't incredibly flexible has one hell of a closed mind. The free will part was a part of the now-deleted point about free will and how god doesn't factor into what people do. Humanity is a big boy, and can make decisions for itself. It just so happens that people exercise their free will to make life hell for other people. You can't exactly blame and vilify god because people chose to be assholes. God didn't tell them to be assholes, they chose to be assholes by themselves. It's just humanity's way, and it has been humanity's way since we climbed our way up the evolutionary ladder to sentient thought.
The idea wasn't that he was blaming god. It was that he becomes disillusioned with religion as a social system and starts seeing it arising out of the needs of society and human nature. Atheists who blame god are idiots, and not really atheists at all. A real atheist is someone who just finds the idea of god unnecessary and too prone to creating absurdities, and they therefore reject the plausibility of the idea by using Ockham's razor, i.e. it's easier to explain the world and even the existence of religions through naturalistic means. I'm not saying that atheists are right or wrong, I'm just saying that the character doesn't have to hate god in order to become disillusioned with Christianity.Ultratwinkie said:I am saying the link between a crime and god is nothing making the plot illogical. God cannot force you to kill, and if you say god did then you end up in an asylum. If i could blame a deity for a crime i would be rioting in the streets saying "Don't blame me! Blame Loki the Norse god of mischief, he made me do this!". That way all they can say is "that dastardly Loki! This is his 1,000th crime today!".ReiverCorrupter said:What the hell is 'religion' and what does it say? I'm only familiar with different religious traditions and the sects they are composed of. Like I said, one can easily make a deist argument about god creating man through evolution. However, that person wouldn't have a literalistic interpretation of the bible. And many people do. Who's right in their interpretation? Not relevant to what I'm trying to say.Ultratwinkie said:Snippy snip-
I learned of evolution at an early age, and yet it doesn't conflict with anything religion says. People are just trying to use religion as a cover so they can act like they are more than animals when humans are just that, smart animals. Life is amazing and can do and be anything, simple as that. Anyone who thinks life isn't incredibly flexible has one hell of a closed mind. The free will part was a part of the now-deleted point about free will and how god doesn't factor into what people do. Humanity is a big boy, and can make decisions for itself. It just so happens that people exercise their free will to make life hell for other people. You can't exactly blame and vilify god because people chose to be assholes. God didn't tell them to be assholes, they chose to be assholes by themselves. It's just humanity's way, and it has been humanity's way since we climbed our way up the evolutionary ladder to sentient thought.
Another point to consider is the long running theological debate associated with free will and the problem of evil. You state your opinion as if you're the only one who has thought about this properly, but very clever people have been debating it for centuries. Free will is fine as long as you're willing to give up both god's complete omniscience and omnipotence. But many people find that option unattractive. But even putting god aside, there is considerable problems with the doctrine of free will from the physicalist standpoint. If a person's behavior is completely determined by physical factors, then they don't really have free will do they? Of course there's also compatiblist theories as well, but their move is usually to reduce the definition of free will to a much weaker stance, i.e. not being physically forced to do something. The problem with this is that a person is still bound to do what he or she is going to do, so it isn't a very meaningful solution.
You sound almost like a deist, though deists typically believe in an absentee god, i.e. a god that creates the universe and then goes off somewhere else. Not really satisfying as a personal deity though. I'm more sympathetic to deists, but that's because I REALLY dislike the idea of some universal father figure looking over my shoulder and judging everything I do. I like the more hands-off deities.
There is a reason i cut the free will part out, it would end in an infinite loop like other philosophical debates.
I'm not saying the character would be right or perfectly reasonable, or even that he loses his faith. Given the circumstances I think it's relatively reasonable if he looses his affinity for organized religion. Maybe he just quits the seminary and prays on his own.Ultratwinkie said:That same argument can be said of anything from government to science itself. It all depends on how the person uses said object instead of the said object itself. All he would gain i a new view that everything has a darker side that people can exploit.ReiverCorrupter said:The idea wasn't that he was blaming god. It was that he becomes disillusioned with religion as a social system and starts seeing it arising out of the needs of society and human nature. Atheists who blame god are idiots, and not really atheists at all. A real atheist is someone who just finds the idea of god unnecessary and too prone to creating absurdities, and they therefore reject the plausibility of the idea by using Ockham's razor, i.e. it's easier to explain the world and even the existence of religions through naturalistic means. I'm not saying that atheists are right or wrong, I'm just saying that the character doesn't have to hate god in order to become disillusioned with Christianity.Ultratwinkie said:I am saying the link between a crime and god is nothing making the plot illogical. God cannot force you to kill, and if you say god did then you end up in an asylum. If i could blame a deity for a crime i would be rioting in the streets saying "Don't blame me! Blame Loki the Norse god of mischief, he made me do this!". That way all they can say is "that dastardly Loki! This is his 1,000th crime today!".ReiverCorrupter said:What the hell is 'religion' and what does it say? I'm only familiar with different religious traditions and the sects they are composed of. Like I said, one can easily make a deist argument about god creating man through evolution. However, that person wouldn't have a literalistic interpretation of the bible. And many people do. Who's right in their interpretation? Not relevant to what I'm trying to say.Ultratwinkie said:Snippy snip-
I learned of evolution at an early age, and yet it doesn't conflict with anything religion says. People are just trying to use religion as a cover so they can act like they are more than animals when humans are just that, smart animals. Life is amazing and can do and be anything, simple as that. Anyone who thinks life isn't incredibly flexible has one hell of a closed mind. The free will part was a part of the now-deleted point about free will and how god doesn't factor into what people do. Humanity is a big boy, and can make decisions for itself. It just so happens that people exercise their free will to make life hell for other people. You can't exactly blame and vilify god because people chose to be assholes. God didn't tell them to be assholes, they chose to be assholes by themselves. It's just humanity's way, and it has been humanity's way since we climbed our way up the evolutionary ladder to sentient thought.
Another point to consider is the long running theological debate associated with free will and the problem of evil. You state your opinion as if you're the only one who has thought about this properly, but very clever people have been debating it for centuries. Free will is fine as long as you're willing to give up both god's complete omniscience and omnipotence. But many people find that option unattractive. But even putting god aside, there is considerable problems with the doctrine of free will from the physicalist standpoint. If a person's behavior is completely determined by physical factors, then they don't really have free will do they? Of course there's also compatiblist theories as well, but their move is usually to reduce the definition of free will to a much weaker stance, i.e. not being physically forced to do something. The problem with this is that a person is still bound to do what he or she is going to do, so it isn't a very meaningful solution.
You sound almost like a deist, though deists typically believe in an absentee god, i.e. a god that creates the universe and then goes off somewhere else. Not really satisfying as a personal deity though. I'm more sympathetic to deists, but that's because I REALLY dislike the idea of some universal father figure looking over my shoulder and judging everything I do. I like the more hands-off deities.
There is a reason i cut the free will part out, it would end in an infinite loop like other philosophical debates.
That would be win right there.Manicotti said:Please tell me that the satanic donkey is voiced by Eddie Murphy.
I laughed when i heard that.Boba Frag said:Hi Bob, Ciarán Hinds' name is pronounced "Kee-raWn", not Cee-rawn.
Cheers.
Eh, I'm glad you got a chuckle then? I'm just one of those people that have an impulse to correct mispronunciationsDuskwaith said:I laughed when i heard that.Boba Frag said:Hi Bob, Ciarán Hinds' name is pronounced "Kee-raWn", not Cee-rawn.
Cheers.
Anthony Hopkins can make any movie good, hes that good