Escapist Dragon Age II Review, Is Something Wrong Here?

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Hawgh

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drunken_munki said:
Hawgh said:
drunken_munki said:
green_dude said:
danpascooch said:
Escapist reviews are often statistical anomalies, remember the Black Ops review?

I think its more likely Greg Tito just rated the game on what he thought about it, rather than trying to guess the average score like most other reviewers.
Hmm not quite?

Edge magazine gave a good review of a poor game, without even mentioning the disparity from the DA:O to DA2. On its own merits, it flops as a triple A budget RPG. So given that, it is more like a 5-6 / 10 game. Now throw in the fact that a lot of Bioware fans and RPG fans were keen and excited on playing a game that they were accustomed to seeing. With depth and character. Yep, you enrage and upset a lot of fans. Now you can call them what you like, but what are you without your fans? What exactly are you? A money sucking leech?

Please can someone explain whats the point in trashing one set of fans to replace them for another set? You can't make EVERYONE happy. That is a fact of life. So why bother? They could have made this dumbed down crass game and called it something else. There you go, that mass market can eat it up.

Fuck em. Another developer will swoop in and woo the people, and create a deserving game to receive high acclaim, that is EARNED. Bring on the competition, there isn't much you have to beat here...
Or they rated a game as they saw it? You claim that the game is poor, but you've not offered a single reason for doing so. Your previous post was nothing but flamebait, and I'm worried that I'm just handfeeding the troll here. But dammit, show your work!
You're kidding right?

The thousands of reviews already out there doesn't paint you the picture already? You want me to waste my breath further? OK then, lets see...

"PC Gamer Feb 26, 2011
94/100
The best RPG combat ever. Not gaming's best story, but maybe its best storytelling. Darker, sexier, better"

Explain to me how 'Not gaming's best story' gets 94? LOL
'The best RPG combat ever'... mindless repetitive clicking = best combat? LOL. There isn't even challenge in this game unless you plan on HARD and even that is just padding out. Even the fucking DEVS had an interview, i.e. damage control, about the game difficulty being easy , i.e. so watered down it's boring.

"GameTrailers Mar 9, 2011
92/100
Though it doesn't hold a candle to its predecessor when it comes to sheer breadth, Dragon Age II has quite a bit more soul."

How can you not hold a candle to the predecessor but have MORE soul? Mmmm the bullshit is getting more obvious here.

"Vandal Online Mar 9, 2011
91/100
An excellent role-playing game, and a logical and direct evolution of the previous game, more action-focused and more polished, although its action focus won't please everyone."

How can a 'logical' evolution lead to a 'focus won't please everyone'? LOL. A logical evolution would be to craft and improve the previous game to be BETTER and thus please more people, i.e. the fan base that was created in addition to attracting new players.

"GamingXP Mar 8, 2011
86/100
Unfortunately, Dragon Age 2 has not met my expectations. The epic story of Dragon Age: Origins made me play the game for hours, but Dragon Age 2 lacks a gripping story. Most of the time you create bloodbaths by running through the same dull dungeons. There are some improvements like a talking main character, but it's not a new Dragon Age, it's rather a hack'n'slay with a touch of roleplaying. If you missed some action in Dragon Age: Origins, then you should get Dragon Age 2, but if you loved the atmosphere, the story and the freedom of choice, then you should expect something different."

Once again, how can there be high score given, if 95% of the above review is NEGATIVE. I fucking kid you not look at it. The only thing positive is 'There are some improvements like a talking main character' and even that is followed up with a negative statement. Jesus, are you people even listening? HOW CAN A GAME get 86/100 if you have NOTHING good to say about it.

Same goes with the below:

"Gamers.at Mar 8, 2011
81/100
Dragon Age II is still a good role-playing game, but in more than one way it is inferior to its great predecessor."

LOL.

And...

"Game Informer Mar 8, 2011
78/100
On all platforms, Dragon Age II caters to an audience that didn't connect with Origins, while alienating those who did. This may result in a better console experience, but considering that Dragon Age: Origins was a love letter to old-school PC RPGs, BioWare's neglect of the sequel's PC release is tragic. I appreciate the technical refinements, but improving the polish doesn't do much good when the basics still need work."

Most of the above is negative, yet 78/100? LOL. 78% says to me it is a great game worth spending you cash on, with a few bugbears to deal with. What you get in DA2 is a linear corridor of a game with stripped down dialog and character interaction. That breaks the whole point of an EPIC rpg. Also exploration... there isn't any in this game.

Lastly...

"IncGamers Mar 8, 2011
72/100
While the gameplay is far from perfect, Dragon Age II is an absolute must for anyone interested in the world, the lore and a good story - but anyone hoping for something that feels and plays like Origins might want to adjust their expectations accordingly."

Why should anyone adjust their expectations? Bioware knew long ago that this move would not be well received. You market a game that is a sequel to DA:O, then give me that game. Yes changes will occur, as creative freedom will drive it. But the problem is here creative freedom didn't drive anything. What you have is LACK of creativity that forces a stripping down of features and depth. See the difference?
There are a number of things that I take issue with here, in order:
If it's really such a bother for you to argue about things on the internet, then why did you start? I will resolve to feel honored that you dedicate your obviously costly time and resources to educating the masses on your opinion on a video game, despite the fact that you don't want to. Good man.

How exactly are these rather favourable reviews you posted here going to convince me about...what exactly is your point? That the game is bad?

I don't intend to defend the claims made by other people, in no small part because they come from an obviously biased source.

Even if some reviews of the game shows a disrepancy between commentary and grading, and we do not attribute this to poor communication skills, why should that have any effect on other reviews? There is no causal relationship between computer game reviewers and their output.

Your counterpoints adressed, in order:

1(PC Gamer): A story can be good without being the best, you will notice that 94 < 100.
I do not know what definition of "mindless repetetive clicking" you work under, but how exactly do the controls differ from DA:O(Or, indeed, a great number of RPGs throughout time)? action bar, shortcuts, clicking? Your point that the game is challenging only on hard and above seems....inane. Is the game not supposed to be difficult on that level, and more manageable on lower difficulties? I realise that Origins essentially shifted the entire difficulty curve up a notch, but having done it once is hardly an argument for doing it again.
I do find the combat much more palatable than the first game, but that is mostly to do with the animations being more, well, animated. In origins, autoattacking(which took up a lot of my time when conserving energy) was boring and sluggish, now it is at least pretty to look at, comparable to the combat in The Witcher.

2(Gametrailers): You deliberately misread the comment. While they refer to the breadth of the game being reduced(fewer locales and the different origins spring to mind), that does in no way conflict with saying that the game has more soul(whatever that means, I assume they liked the storytelling or characterisation or setting or something)

3(Vandal Online): I don't know how games logically evolve, but it obviously can't be both identical to Origins and different from Origins without existing in some strange quantum state where humans would have a very hard time interacting with it(what with observance forcing it to assume a state). No matter how dedicated your fanbase is, it's a stretch to release the same game twice within two years, so I think it rather sensible that they shook things up a bit.

4(GamingXP): Yep, that guy(or gal) should probably have given it a lower score. Unless you have not made a faithful representation of his statement. However, only two of the statements are criticisms of DA2's own qualities, the rest is lamentation that it is not a repackaged Origins, and should not influence the score.

5(Gamers.at): Well, that's just vague. But it does have a lower score than Origins, so I don't see what's so unreasonable about it. Perhaps the points weren't that important?

6(Game Informer): Again, the commentary only states that: "the game is different, not a smart move", not "the game is bad, tsk tsk". Also exploration....there wasn't any in Origins either.

7(IncGamers): Here's why you should adjust your expectations: It's a different bloody game! On these forums we're usually up to our necks in complaints that this and that popular shooter treads about as much new ground as a completely stationary rock. But changing things is also a deplorable move? What in the hells?

Creativity is not only about creating an increasingly bloated system(You yourself critisised Vista, which is enormously guilty of doing nothing but this).
Creativity is also about honing and specialising. Allow me to max out my pretentiousness by quoting Antoine De Saint-Exupéry: "A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.".

So, in conclusion: There is no basis for reviews affecting one another, I also vented a lot.

Addendum: I just finished the game an hour ago. And I find just about all your complaints(byzantine and incomprehensibly presented as they are) to be completely unfounded.
 

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danpascooch said:
This is simply incorrect, the option is simply not there on consoles, and the review clearly states that it was based off the 360 version of the game, Bioware meant to include the option but do to a coding mistake the option is not currently on the console version, was this review truly written based on experiences from the game? If so why does the reviewer think the option is there? If there is any merit to the argument that EA payed them for an advance-written positive review this would be the strongest evidence, this statement in the review mentions something that was supposed to be there and was expected to be there by Bioware, but ended up not being in the final version (or review copies) of the game
Kakulukia said:
And you know the option wasn't in the review build because... oh, you don't?! Well, shut up then. If you know it's a coding mistake, you should know that the review build might contain the right code.
Not sure if this has been addressed in the thread at all, but Greg Tito did comment in the thread for his review that he believed a "trusted source" who told him that the auto attack option was available on the console versions. It damages his credibility slightly that he didn't actually check for himself, so you have to wonder how much time he put into the game.
 

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Well after going through all of this slog, I am officially giving up on mankind.
The world has enough problems as it is without you people going on about if a game is shit or not or if the reviewer was bought off, with a golden "cock and balls" to quote Yahtzee, or not.

Seriously, if you look at all the time you put into this argument, refuting opinions left and right, trolling (on both sides I might add) and whatever the hell you were all about; don't you think there might have been something more constructive you could have done?

But this is just my comment on this whole sorry mess, get back to whatever you were doing before and dismiss what I just said. The future is royally buttf***ed anyway, if this topic is something people really can and will get worked up about.