While we're on the subject of Final Fantasy, what you said about FFX really made me smile. Now I don't feel quite so alone in thinking Tidus's awkward laughter was simply awkward, not ear-piercingly horrendous. How that one scene became so infamous is beyond me, but then again a lot of things are.Graham_LRR said:All those things are true.Scrustle said:Interesting Graham said FF7 was his favourite. I remember him making a joke on Checkpoint at how it didn't deserve its reputation and was actually pretty average and that the only reason it was revered so much is because it was the first time a lot of people had seen a game like that. I guess that's pretty much what he said here too. But still, it's weird to say it's his favourite when before he seemed to be not so hot about it.
I still love that game though, I even said it in that CheckPoint episode. It's nostalgia, logic has no place here
JRPGs are a bit of a mixed bag with me. As a whole series, I've only ever really been able to get into Final Fantasy, the Tales games, and Kingdom Hearts, and I've been trying to get into Persona lately but keep getting distracted by other things. (Er, and Pokemon if you count that, I suppose.)Scrustle said:All this talk about Final Fantasy recently has got me wondering whether I should have a stab at getting in to JRPGs again. I've never had a particularly good relationship with them, especially FF, but there's something about them that makes me feel like I should like them. I guess I should get around to finishing the few JRPGs I've found I do like before I start looking for more, namely Infinite Undiscovery and The Last Story. I'll probably not bother with the former though. I do enjoy it but it's been so long since I played it I literally have no idea what's going on with the story and I've gotten to a point where I need to do a lot of grinding to past a boss.shrekfan246 said:snip
If I didn't keep getting distracted, I'd be working on Darksiders 2. I've been trying to clear out a bit of my backlog first though, still working on Alice: Madness Returns. As far as Zelda is concerned, I've never been too interested in it. Wind Waker was amazing, and I always got stuck in the Water Temple of Ocarina, but I couldn't get anywhere in Majora's Mask and I've never really been all that interested in the rest of the franchise.I was thinking about what I would say if I was on the panel too. I often feel like I want to chip in with panels and podcasts I hear. Sometimes it can be annoying when they're missing something that's so obvious to me, but I digress.
I can never pick a single favourite for anything, but I guess I would pick something like Okami, the Zelda series, or the Forza series. I can't even narrow down to a single game in each series either! I just finished Darksiders 2 today and I really loved that game, even if the end boss was a kind of disappointing cakewalk. That seems to be a trend with games recently. End bosses are relatively anti-climactic and pretty easy.
Don't lie to yourself, the only reason people around here have heard of Okami is because of Daystar. >.>As for games I think should have been more popular I also have to mention Okami. I feel like such a scratched record saying that though. It seems pretty much everyone knows about that game now. It's gotten round thanks to word of mouth a lot recently. Hopefully that'll help it to finally get the success it deserves on PSN (Bring it to XBLA! Grrr!) even if the money for it will no longer go to the people who created it. So sad that Clover was shut down. We'll never get a true Okami 2.
I've actually recently gotten Muramasa, because I got Odin Sphere on the PSN and wanted to check out its 'spiritual sequel'. Haven't played it much yet though, for previously stated reasons. I can agree to a point on No More Heroes, but I think that it's a relatively niche title, and I'm not sure how much better it would have fared being built from the ground up for the PS3/360. Personally, I'm not too much of a fan of the style of humor they used, but I can agree that it was a pretty solid game.If I wanted to pick something a bit less obvious I guess I would go for something like No More Heroes or Muramasa. NMH has captured my attention more than any other Suda51 game by far, and I think the IP is brilliant. It really deserved a lot of attention. I guess part of the reason it didn't do so good was because it's a Grasshopper game (they tend to be obscure) and that it was on the Wii, even if the control method was actually suited to the console. Muramasa probably didn't do great because of its platform either. It might have found more success on XBLA or PSN. The game also has pretty much zero publicity behind it and the production run was minute. I actually had to order it twice because the first place didn't actually get it stocked even though they said they would. That place wasn't a small shop either, it was Amazon! Really glad I got it though. More people should try it out.
I loved Fable, but the lack of an Xbox 360 back when it was released prevented me from maintaining any interest in the series after I did get a 360.My most hated game was Fable 2. No contest. I've talked about how much I hate that game at length many times, and I've already done a lot of talking so I won't cover that ground again. I'll just say it felt like a massive betrayal to me as a lover of the first Fable and I hated pretty much every aspect of that game. I have a very special loathing for it.
Eh, it's more about who you bring up those titles around. A lot of people like to blame Halo for making the Health-Regening, Two-Gun Toting, Slowly-Ambling Space Marine shooter all the rage. But that franchise was one of the reasons I ended up buying an Xbox 360. And the first Crysis is generally regarded well, but I consider the second one to be better, which is apparently heresy among Crysis fans because it was 'dumbed down' for the consoles. (And I consider Crysis Warhead to be the best out of all three, but apparently only four people in the world played it so nobody ever brings it up, ever.)But why do you say Halo and Crysis are shameful? I enjoy Halo, I feel no shame. They're really good games. I've never played Crysis, but I thought that was supposed to be a pretty well respected FPS. Visually stunning and mechanically interesting.
shrekfan246 said:JRPGs are a bit of a mixed bag with me. As a whole series, I've only ever really been able to get into Final Fantasy, the Tales games, and Kingdom Hearts, and I've been trying to get into Persona lately but keep getting distracted by other things. (Er, and Pokemon if you count that, I suppose.)Scrustle said:All this talk about Final Fantasy recently has got me wondering whether I should have a stab at getting in to JRPGs again. I've never had a particularly good relationship with them, especially FF, but there's something about them that makes me feel like I should like them. I guess I should get around to finishing the few JRPGs I've found I do like before I start looking for more, namely Infinite Undiscovery and The Last Story. I'll probably not bother with the former though. I do enjoy it but it's been so long since I played it I literally have no idea what's going on with the story and I've gotten to a point where I need to do a lot of grinding to past a boss.
I think one of the biggest problems with JRPGs is that they require a large amount of time to really get into them, even when compared to more 'Western' RPGs like The Witcher or Dragon Age. It's a significant time investment, and they usually seem to lose steam about a quarter or halfway through and then it takes too long for most of them to get interesting again. And as Graham and Paul talked about in one of the other panels that's been posted on the website, some JRPGs just adopt the most asinine and archaic combat systems that require a damn PhD in Astrophysics to navigate properly (which is why I like the relative simplicity of Tales, FF, and KH).
If I didn't keep getting distracted, I'd be working on Darksiders 2. I've been trying to clear out a bit of my backlog first though, still working on Alice: Madness Returns. As far as Zelda is concerned, I've never been too interested in it. Wind Waker was amazing, and I always got stuck in the Water Temple of Ocarina, but I couldn't get anywhere in Majora's Mask and I've never really been all that interested in the rest of the franchise.I was thinking about what I would say if I was on the panel too. I often feel like I want to chip in with panels and podcasts I hear. Sometimes it can be annoying when they're missing something that's so obvious to me, but I digress.
I can never pick a single favourite for anything, but I guess I would pick something like Okami, the Zelda series, or the Forza series. I can't even narrow down to a single game in each series either! I just finished Darksiders 2 today and I really loved that game, even if the end boss was a kind of disappointing cakewalk. That seems to be a trend with games recently. End bosses are relatively anti-climactic and pretty easy.
Don't lie to yourself, the only reason people around here have heard of Okami is because of Daystar. >.>As for games I think should have been more popular I also have to mention Okami. I feel like such a scratched record saying that though. It seems pretty much everyone knows about that game now. It's gotten round thanks to word of mouth a lot recently. Hopefully that'll help it to finally get the success it deserves on PSN (Bring it to XBLA! Grrr!) even if the money for it will no longer go to the people who created it. So sad that Clover was shut down. We'll never get a true Okami 2.
I've actually recently gotten Muramasa, because I got Odin Sphere on the PSN and wanted to check out its 'spiritual sequel'. Haven't played it much yet though, for previously stated reasons. I can agree to a point on No More Heroes, but I think that it's a relatively niche title, and I'm not sure how much better it would have fared being built from the ground up for the PS3/360. Personally, I'm not too much of a fan of the style of humor they used, but I can agree that it was a pretty solid game.If I wanted to pick something a bit less obvious I guess I would go for something like No More Heroes or Muramasa. NMH has captured my attention more than any other Suda51 game by far, and I think the IP is brilliant. It really deserved a lot of attention. I guess part of the reason it didn't do so good was because it's a Grasshopper game (they tend to be obscure) and that it was on the Wii, even if the control method was actually suited to the console. Muramasa probably didn't do great because of its platform either. It might have found more success on XBLA or PSN. The game also has pretty much zero publicity behind it and the production run was minute. I actually had to order it twice because the first place didn't actually get it stocked even though they said they would. That place wasn't a small shop either, it was Amazon! Really glad I got it though. More people should try it out.
I loved Fable, but the lack of an Xbox 360 back when it was released prevented me from maintaining any interest in the series after I did get a 360.My most hated game was Fable 2. No contest. I've talked about how much I hate that game at length many times, and I've already done a lot of talking so I won't cover that ground again. I'll just say it felt like a massive betrayal to me as a lover of the first Fable and I hated pretty much every aspect of that game. I have a very special loathing for it.
Eh, it's more about who you bring up those titles around. A lot of people like to blame Halo for making the Health-Regening, Two-Gun Toting, Slowly-Ambling Space Marine shooter all the rage. But that franchise was one of the reasons I ended up buying an Xbox 360. And the first Crysis is generally regarded well, but I consider the second one to be better, which is apparently heresy among Crysis fans because it was 'dumbed down' for the consoles. (And I consider Crysis Warhead to be the best out of all three, but apparently only four people in the world played it so nobody ever brings it up, ever.)But why do you say Halo and Crysis are shameful? I enjoy Halo, I feel no shame. They're really good games. I've never played Crysis, but I thought that was supposed to be a pretty well respected FPS. Visually stunning and mechanically interesting.
I'm an acquired taste.Ekit said:I don't know what it is, but something about Susan Arendt just annoys me to no end.
He almost blew my headphones up in the 27th minute.beetrain said:It seems Jim's cursed with microphones.
Susan Arendt said:I'm an acquired taste.Ekit said:I don't know what it is, but something about Susan Arendt just annoys me to no end.