k-ossuburb said:
MINOR EDIT: First off, there's a few grammatical errors in here that I'm trying to catch. Secondly, I'm trying to sound as unbiased as possible in this, I thought I better mention that now because I've been known for not being entirely clear. I think that my opinion here is meaningless but yours is not so I'm a lot more interested in hearing your feelings towards this than my gut-reaction.
But if you're interested: I think these guys are being way too mean on ol' Andy. Fox News has a bad reputation for a reason, and when the Game Heroes mentioned their position on gun laws it has lead me to believe that there is a strict bias here and maybe this is less about the article or the game and more about The Left VS The Right, but that's just me.
wow, I;m a big channel awesome guy, but this is the first time I've actually watched Handsome Tom and... the other guy, I forget his name. Are they always such beacons of (well I'll get attacked for using the word i was about to, so insert your slur/childish namecalling here)? "Smoke you"? seriously? lame.
Anyway, the Andy's article really didnt go too far. He did misrepresent some facts, but not to any reprehensible degree.
The article fox news put up is clearly about bulletstorm. It also clearly has a negative slant on bulletstorm, despite offering evidence that videogames are not, in fact, the devil. This can be seen just from the title of the article, and the "stronger" position of the negative side.
So, we've established that fox news placed and article on their website about bulletstorm. This article included an entirely bullshit claim about videogames causing rape. THE CLEAR IMPLICATION IS THAT BULLETSTORM IS ONE OF THE SEXUALLY OBJECTIONABLE GAMES MENTIONED IN SAID BULLSHIT STATISTIC. Fox News has a responsibility to not post articles (just as the escapist does) that conflict with the groups established views. So obviously, someone at Fox News green-lit this article with a clear implication that bulletstorm is a sexually violent videogame contributing to an increase in rape crime.
FOX NEWS DID EXACTLY WHAT ANDY SAID.
Now for why I quoted you: You mention that gameheroes (aforementioned lame dudes) are probably attacking andy's article (i've noticed we all call him andy, despite none of us knowing him. I think we just feel weird calling a man "Chalk") because of their own personal bias. You may be right. The only reason to attack andy's article is that he does hype up the negative in the article to make it seem more antagonistic than it actually is. At the same time, as you said, Fox News has a well-established (and at least in my opinion, well-deserved) reputation for being unfair, biased, and sensationalistic. I feel the attack is justifed
Hubilub said:
Then I guess we can directly blame ESC for all the stupid shit that's been said on the forums over the years.
After all, they gave them the platform!
No, because the forums are not officially put forth by the escapist. Everything on the forums is user-content, not endorsed or decried by The Escapist. If the escapist were to make every user rant about how master chief is gay or Marcus Fenix could fight a bear and article, your statement would be true.
The article wasn't a forum troll ranting, it was a legitimized "news" piece set out on Fox's website in an official capacity.
Andy Chalk said:
Here's the thing, dudes - and I explained this in the original thread but I don't mind repeating here, briefly. The Fox News article was pure, unadulterated bullshit. The anti-gaming side of the argument was presented by "experts," psychologists and authors and so forth, while the pro-gaming side was presented by Hal Halpin - a guy who quite clearly has a vested interest in supporting the game industry. Is that balanced? Why does the anti-gaming side get "experts" while the pro-gaming side gets a guy who's essentially employed by the industry?
Other sites, particularly Rock Paper Shotgun, have already utterly demolished Lieberman's position and evidence, so I won't even get into that here except to mention that she's one of the more obvious and repulsive media whores I've run into in recent years.
Fox gets the blame for saying "games cause rape" because it provided a platform for this kind of nonsense. It sought out Lieberman and the rest, it got them to say idiotic things (probably not much work required there) and then it spread them all over the net, in the guise of news. That's on them. They bear the responsibility for that, and I called them out on it. Is that unfair? I don't think so, and I'm not about to give Fox credit for presenting both sides of the issue when it quite obviously did not do so.
You, sir, are almost entirely correct in your assertion, and I personally agree with your stance, but I will admit you went a little bit sensationalist yourself, and probably could have presented your own article in a more stable, less antagonistic fashion. After all, if you base your own article on pathos, you can't call out Fox for doing so.
Superhyperactiveman said:
I think there's a crapload of idiocy on all 3 sides: Chalk's, GH's, and Fox's. I'm also sure this is going to devolve into a bunch of name-calling on both sides that's going to be idiotic and annoying...
You are exactly right sir. I'm going to start by calling them ninnies. all of them!
(sic) humor said:
I agreed with most of the points Andy made, but the stab at Bill O'Reilly, who had nothing to do with any of this, was spiteful and misplaced.
That was clearly a silly joke that has no basis in anything approaching fact, as almost all of the articles on the escapist end.
Bill O'Reilly DOES know where the moon comes from. He built himself in ages long past out of legos paste and finely grated parmesan cheese.
