Eurogamer Expo Bans Booth Babes
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Allright now im getting more where you're coming from and can understand your views better.scw55 said:
And guess we will have to agree to disagree, as you find skimpy clothing and the use of good looking models to be shocking and exploitative of the public. I dont (find them shocking or exploitative) simply because im desensitized to them and my experiences and friend circles have mostly reacted positively or neutral towards these topics rather then negatively and makes me view these matters in a very different light to you (especially concerning the models themselves, since again, i have friends in that businss, so obviously feel need to counter the view that they are hookers brainwashing the public with their boobs).
Both our personal experiences shaped our beliefs and im sure we would be able to exchange tons of personal anecdotes to support our respective beliefs. Irl i think this would have led to an interesting conversation (on forum it will make massive amounts of tldr so not as attractive to do it here), but as it stands we will have to agree to disagree and hopefully consider what the other has said to understand an opposing point of view if nothing else.
As for why you are contributing to this quagmire, only ye can answer that truthfully, but since you answered me fairly honestly i did in kind to you and hopefully this conversation wont leave a bad aftertaste and youll view our exchange as positive.
Well played. I especially like the part where you use "people" instead of "virgins" and "pretty girls" instead of "bimbos being paid to cheapen any cultural identity video games might have once had."Andy Chalk said:
What a bunch of nonsense, I haven't seen many booth babes, but the ones I have come across seem fine. They are not showing anything that you wouldn't see at a beach.
I honestly thought you misquoted me and were answering someone else.NightowlM said:
Started by looking at the definition, didnt get what you meant by linking it to me. I AM defending sexual objectification if that wasnt clear, with the right of " viewing of people solely as de-personalised objects of desire instead of as individuals with complex personalities and desires/plans of their own".
When i go to glastonbury or w/e and see gogo dancers, i aint gonna be thinking of dancers aspirations for sure. And there is nothing wrong with that.
Since you dont know "what the fuck" im getting about with life experience (this was the only part that seemed adressed to me), im using that as a term to sum up the experiences and unique events that might have shaped our perspectives on the matter (this includes everything from culture to personality influenced outlooks and where we lived and groups of friends we had), I am finding that viewing people as having different outlooks due to having lived a different life to you rather then "im right, other guys wrong" tends to be more fruitful for a good debate especially in debates like this, which was the big lesson i learnt from france and what i was trying to convey, it shaped my beliefs on the topic.
Now heres where your response made me o0 and made me reread to checkthat you were responding to me. I dont indeed know you, i havent implied otherwise beyond judging the comments you made (its all i have to work with atm). I NEVER suggested you were a puritan, such a thought honestly never occured to me and your overreaction and being "insulted"+link to feminism blogs and emotional tone means i cant help but draw some negative conclusions about you even if they are likely very erroneous (all i have to work with is what you tell me after all).
Otherwise please dont feel im challenging your sexuality or deviancy in any way, im sure you are the kinkiest guy in this thread and do all sorts of crazy things, but putting aside our sexual exploits, i DO believe that objectification is ok.
I dont know where this conversation will go from here but if you do want this to continue, id ask you try and understand what im getting at rather then do whatever it is your doing. I tend to match the tone of the people im talking with
Oh i can see how you might have misinterpreted that, i could have worded it a lot better :/NightowlM said:
I meant it more as in experience in france desensitized me to seeing people going around half naked and sex used in advertising, which in turn shaped my views as they are now. Im assuming your upbringing was different (not implying better/worst/kinkier) which in turn led to your views.
It all sounds kinda obvious but intention with my tldr was to hopefully make you see how one could reach an opposing point of view to yours, and not fall under the generalizations you quoted me with initially.
Rest assured if i wanted to keep the booth babes for the TnA i would have no shame to say as much.
Actually hang on what am i saying, i DO want to keep the booth babes for the TnA,going back on topic i just dont see it fair that guys (and lesbians i guess) get to have most of the TnA and women get little of their own. Anyhows glad we cleared up the misunderstanding and remained civil And definitly dont think of you as a puritan feminist, heck i thought you were a guy as you can tell xP
But did you ask every person you did this with about their life's ambitions and their driving force in life?NightowlM said:
I mean, have you ever had casual sex with someone you were not emotionally invested in? If not then it sounds like you're objectifying people too and it sounds like you didn't have a problem with it at the time.
If not, do you have a problem with casual sex?
I'm not trying to insult you in any way, but I'm a bit bemused by someone firstly saying that sexual objectification is wrong and then later on getting into a competition of who's had the most/weirder sex. I've never quite seen that combination before.
When they did a similar thing in China everyone here called the Chinese backwards.
When they do it in Europe it's a good thing and a progression towards a more mature industry.
Riiight.
You bunch of hypocrites.
Personally, I don't think booth babes need to be banned except when they are becoming overly sexualised. The way it was going, they'd have naked girls grinding against a guy in a Sonic Costume. Well, that's about the only way Sega could distract from the fact that their new Sonic games suck.
When they do it in Europe it's a good thing and a progression towards a more mature industry.
Riiight.
You bunch of hypocrites.
Personally, I don't think booth babes need to be banned except when they are becoming overly sexualised. The way it was going, they'd have naked girls grinding against a guy in a Sonic Costume. Well, that's about the only way Sega could distract from the fact that their new Sonic games suck.
You misunderstand the whole basis of advertising. It all works subliminally. YOU don't get a choice.crazyarms33 said:
"Won't someone pleaaaaaseeeee think of the booth babes!"rbstewart7263 said:
Yeah, I'm crying with compassion now. Internally. Externally I'm rolling my eyes.
The entire notion of booth babes is a fucking juvenile teen fantasy that really seems to be painfully dominant in markets dominated by men who don't want to be men but rather teenagers again.
I don't give a shit about the children, or families reacting to this. I care about a market that is so annoyingly immature it's aggravating.
On one hand, we have people going; "Games are art, it's special."
Then we have people going "Hurr hurr hurr y so srs?"
We have people claiming video games have evolved and matured.
On the other hand we have booth babes and people that can't just say "Yeah, I like oogling women like they're playboy posters."
For fucks sake, be honest with yourself. Videogaming has a long way to go, and a good deal of it is socially awkward in a way that would make your average 70's tabletop rper blush in embarrassment about.
fair enough but growing up and being a prude are not the same. Id be fine if the booth babes were required to be fans and knowledgeable of the franchise. itd give cosplayers something to shoot for. But banning them because of people feeling like there art has grown up and needs a suit doesnt make me think of adults it makes me think of smarmy stuck up socialite elitists.NortherWolf said: