I've taken out battleship class NPC's in my Frigate....geldonyetich said:
And you wont lose skills if your clone is up to date
EVE Online Politics: A spy just screwed a few thousand players, years of work.
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And you wont lose skills if your clone is up to date
Yeah, I knew about the clone insurance, I was just wondering if your clone had so many skill points that the insurance was super costly so you ended up losing points.smallharmlesskitten said:
Yeah, I've taken out Battleship class NPCs in my Cruiser. At least, I think it was a cruiser, it might have been a Destroyer. The NPCs aren't super cunning - I've been on missions where my one ship would take down whole fleets of them - Battleships, cruisers, frigates. Players are much trickier.
No, it simply happened after he'd joined the goons in-game, found he enjoyed playing with them in-game, and arranged to defect in-game.geldonyetich said:
It's very cheap to replace your clone... like.... 30,000 ISK cheap... Maybe a little more.geldonyetich said:
You can make that amount in 20 minutes running a High sec level 1....or 30 mil in nullsec per hour
I used to fly around 0.0 behind enemy lines in an autocannon Punisher (amarr frigate) and try to gank cruisers.smallharmlesskitten said:
When the system was too busy for me to risk warping in on anyone I'd recite Edward Lear's nonsense poetry to them in Local.
An..... autocannon... Punisher... thats like me fitting Hybrid Turrets on my RiftersOswald D Grant said:
So, worse case scenario, you're out about 30k, plus whatever components were on your frigate. Not a bad little setup, considering your prey would have cost a whole lot more to replace their ships.smallharmlesskitten said:
Probably would have taken down my Exhumer, had I stuck around long enough to earn one as was silly enough to plow it into lowsec space. Ouch.
Man, you've got to read more carefully. What actually happened was he fell for a recruitment scam - he tried to join them, but failed. Then he said, "oh, actually, I'm a BoB director, I hate BoB, maybe I can offer you some intel" or something like that. They're like, "No way, you liar" and it eventually snowballed into him defecting with the assistance of Mittagi, doing a massive amount of damage to BoB before he quit it.Oswald D Grant said:
He didn't actually join them until it was all over. His only association with "playing with them" was done outside the game as they arranged all this. By then he had given them several out-of-game message passwords, poked around as his in-game persona and give them a lot of in-game intel, ect.
Here, this is covered pretty much in the first 15 seconds of the video:
Listen to the whole the whole thing, this is beyond what happened on those chat logs.
Not really. You see, the Punisher doesn't have any real bonus to lasers. All it gets is a 10% bonus to Small Energy Turret capacitor use per level, and guess what? Autocannons don't use cap anyway.smallharmlesskitten said:
They do require that you get in close, but you want to do that anyway because orbiting at 500m with an afterburner means most larger ships can't hit you. Fit the biggest plate you can and use all that spare cap you have left over to repair it. Don't try to tackle anything with missiles or drones, orbiting close won't help you there.
you can kite the drones... and if you use a smaller plate and a MWD you can avoid quite a lot of missile damage too. I know I manage to get a cap stable rifter with a MWDOswald D Grant said:
Wrong. He joined the alliance and discovered he enjoyed playing with them before any of that happened.geldonyetich said:
Tamir Lenk said:
Haargoth Agamar said:
IIRC MWD will help you against missiles (as you can, effectively, outrun the explosion) but hurt you against guns on account of the large signature radius it gives you. Drones generally eat frigates for breakfast, but if you can pop them fast enough while tanking the main ship you'll be alright.smallharmlesskitten said:
The rock-paper-scissors element is strong, perhaps too strong.
Also, fit jammers on your Rifter. We had a guy who was infamous for killing Interceptors and Interdictors with a jamming Rifter. He was very shy about his fitting though.
Well, reading a little further, what was happening is they were trying to get rid of him, kick him out of their corp which was set up to scam him. It was then when he tipped his hand he was actually a BoB director to stay there. So it's kind of complicated: maybe it was technically in their corp, but only under a trial basis that was never intended to seriously hire him.Oswald D Grant said:
Meh, I guess I could begrudging give you the point that, even as a trial candidate, he was close enough to get the look he needed to decide it was better than BoB. (Though that is pretty weird considering it was just a corp that was scamming him.)
However, you would have to give me the point that apparently he was terribly bored/dissatisfied while he was with BoB.
This is where I'd say EVE Online has a vulnerability:
If the game itself was more entertaining by its own merits, maybe he wouldn't have been so desperate to improve his situation.
And this opens up a giant can of worms: 1. The corporate experience itself apparently doesn't bring enjoyment. 2. The game itself isn't fun enough to deflect the misery of his corporate experience (he can't just go off and perform missions or tool around 0.0 space in a Frigate to stay entertained). And so on, it goes all the way down the chain until you realize that every single aspect of EVE Online failed to entertain so profoundly that BoB, an alliance of thousands of players, had to die.
As a would-be game designer myself, that's where I sit up, take notice, and say, "okay, that's something I would improve." That's really where I was always coming from (brain-bits shifted into trying to rub EVE Defenders noses in something notwithstanding): if the game design could use improvement.
Are you insane? "If the game had been better, he wouldn't have hated playing it with people he hates!"geldonyetich said:
They say the flip side of intelligence is insanity, you know.Oswald D Grant said:
What I meant is, "if the game had been better, he wouldn't have had a reason to hate these people."
Look deeper. According to this player and the guy in the YouTube video, BoB was a dead faction. Thousands of players? Technically, but 70 players online during prime time, tops - the whole thing. The corp this player was part of had problem because several of the leaders sort of stopped playing.
He wouldn't have been where he was if he didn't, at some point, like these people and they liked him. Unfortunately, everything flew south, his corporation descended into bitter infighting, and there's really nothing else to blame than the way EVE Online is done.
They often do [http://en.thinkexist.com/search/searchQuotation.asp?search=insanity]. (We apparently even had a thread [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.84604] on it.)Oswald D Grant said:
However, as you're so very sane, I don't expect you to agree.
Yes, we're done again. When the issue cannot be attacked and we've moved on to incriminating the participants, clearly a civil conversation is out of the question. The last word is yours if you wish.
The king of MWD's are interceptors. With the new update they get -15% signature radius per level of interceptors making them rape if you capstable it.
Mission rats are very, very dumb. The rats in belts are 1.5 while players are 2.0 if you will.
Mission rats are very, very dumb. The rats in belts are 1.5 while players are 2.0 if you will.