EVE Online Rolls Back Exploiters' Accounts

[Saulkar]

What more control do you want?

A solid copy and paste of my response everybody who ever challenged me on that topic.

I cannot take my Saitek X52 - Keyboard combo and directly assign it to control every last pitch, yaw, bank, maneuver, thruster, weapon, or ability of my ship. I don't want to click the damn thing around, "I WANT TO PILOT THE DAMN THING"! Since this is not the case I am not interested.

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(A frustrated advertisement)
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I have received dozens of counter responses like:
"That is not the point of the game": I know, that is why I do not like it.
"You have narrow tastes": My tastes are different.
"There is so much more to the game": Yes there is but little of it entertains me.
"The server could not take that much input in largescale battles": Not sure if true but still does not make me appreciate it any more so.
"You control the pilot who is trained to pilot the craft": I know, that is why I do not like it.

I'll wait for a modern, quality space simulator.

CAPTCHA: "pipe down" - Shutup!

 

[Cid Silverwing]

Speaking as an EVE player and as a dedicated gamer (obviously) I find CCP's lack of discipline deplorable. Exploiters need to be banned, period, not just have their accounts rolled back.

 

[beniki]

What more control do you want?

A solid copy and paste of my response everybody who ever challenged me on that topic.

I cannot take my Saitek X52 - Keyboard combo and directly assign it to control every last pitch, yaw, bank, maneuver, thruster, weapon, or ability of my ship. I don't want to click the damn thing around, "I WANT TO PILOT THE DAMN THING"! Since this is not the case I am not interested.

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(A frustrated advertisement)
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I have received dozens of counter responses like:
"That is not the point of the game": I know, that is why I do not like it.
"You have narrow tastes": My tastes are different.
"There is so much more to the game": Yes there is but little of it entertains me.
"The server could not take that much input in largescale battles": Not sure if true but still does not make me appreciate it any more so.
"You control the pilot who is trained to pilot the craft": I know, that is why I do not like it.

I'll wait for a modern, quality space simulator.

CAPTCHA: "pipe down" - Shutup!

Black Prophecy? Or Dark Prophecy... I can't remember which it is. Basically X-Wing online, with all the modularship design stuff that people typically ask for. I don't know what happened to it, but space sims in general have died out as a genre. A great shame. I do know when I played it I lost interest fairly rapidly. Not a whole lot of depth to the game play when all is said and done.

In any case, the basic operation of a ship in Eve is as you say, being captain rather than pilot, but if you're flying something with... delicate tracking capabilities on the guns, you'll be doing the minor course corrections yourself. That's what tends to separate to good pilots from the best. Try it and fly Minmatar ships, and stick to your guns over missiles and drones.

Just try it once really. I used to be the same as you, but I've come to love the Eve way of doing it. Makes the game play much more thought provoking than cross hair tracing. And I'll be honest... I think the joy toy game play would actually detract from the character of the universe. Space battles look cooler when you can see the awesome stuff your ship is doing.

But each to their own. Check out Black/Dark Prophecy.

 

[Skratt]

That seems to me like a really strange honor system. The entire game (which I don't play anymore, btw) is comprised of kill or be killed, eat or be eaten game play mechanics. They introduce a system where you earn for blowing up another players stuff. So they blow up each others stuff. So, what, they are now implementing a rule that you can only kill people who are not your friends and you have to prove that they aren't?

Look, I'm not saying it isn't a blatant exploit, it's just weird to give free reign to the community letting them be dicks to each other where there has been billions and trillions of ISK scams that players have played on each other where CCP was mum about the whole thing and suddenly there is a need to enforce morality?

There has to be a component that affects CCP somehow that I missed, otherwise this would be a non-issue.

 

[Scrustle]

They should have so been banned. Yeah, they reported the bug, but only after they made sure they benefited from it. It's like they were trying to use the bug to get an edge on everyone and then take that advantage away from anyone else who wanted to use it.

 

[Cenzton]

Actually, considering they were Goonsquad, yes, yes you can blame them for trying, because their sole purpose is to try and ruin any game they're in.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

I've always wanted to try out EVE but every news post about it makes me think more and more that i'm far too naive and innocent for it. Maybe that Dust 514(?) is more easy on me.

I played the game for a little over a month, and it is ruthless.

One day I had finally gotten to the point where I had the skills learned and the ISK to buy a shiny new cruiser. After I got said cruiser and messed around with it in mid-level security space and got the hang of using it and my new weapons I had also got for it, I just decided to take a short trip in to low-security space just to see what it was like. I was there for all of three minutes when another player and his friend ambushed me, destroyed my ship, and tractored my life pod.

He told me that he would let my life pod go and let me live if I gave them 50 million ISK. I of course didn't have it, and I told him I only had 2 million, because I had just bought the ship he just blew up.

So he blasted my pod and killed me. Luckily, I had that new ship at least partially insured and I had invested in a clone that was good enough that I didn't lose any of the skill knowledge I had spent those months learning(and you will spend months learning things, some single skills take an entire month to train).

Still, I doubt that even if I had paid those guys 50 million ISK, that they would have not blown up my life pod anyway.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

I think your perception of what "many players" do and think is skewed.

My perception is almost certainly skewed because it is dated. I played from 2005 - 2008 and then again in 2010 .


It all comes from how you perceive ISK I think. You think that ISK is hard to make.

Me and ten of my closest internet friends can hang out in our wormhole, run some escalations for about 3 hours, and make half a billion isk apiece.

I never considered most acts where I made isk to be risky. I considered them incredibly tedious. Running level 4's would net me perhaps 30 million isk/hour. Ratting in 0.0 could net perhaps 80 million an hour after long prep in an unoccupied system. Mining was highly variable depending upon location and support for the operation but even in an exhumer I'd rarely break 20 million isk/hour if working alone or 40 million if working with corporation members.

If it is as easy to make a half billion isk as you say, then all of my previous ranting about risk can be rethought. At the time I purchased my navy raven, it cost me just shy of 1 billion isk for the hull, a cerberus cost about 130 million isk, and a Rokh was about 110. Battleships and smaller were relatively expendable, but anything T2 above cruiser weight was not and navy ships above cruiser weight were staggeringly expensive.

The time required to make isk is what eventually made me stop playing the game. None of those activities were fun. Hell, I took up mining as a money making system because I could join a mining op and barely pay attention. The idea of having to replicate dozens of hours of tedium to replace a ship was sufficient to ensure I rarely flew things in combat that cost more than about 50 million isk to replace after insurance.

 

[Dogstile]

A bit of a long read, but for anyone who wants a first-hand account of what happened, here's the forum thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=124145

Thank you, that's the most entertaining thing i've read in a while.

 

[Saulkar]

What more control do you want?

A solid copy and paste of my response everybody who ever challenged me on that topic.

I cannot take my Saitek X52 - Keyboard combo and directly assign it to control every last pitch, yaw, bank, maneuver, thruster, weapon, or ability of my ship. I don't want to click the damn thing around, "I WANT TO PILOT THE DAMN THING"! Since this is not the case I am not interested.

----------------------------------------------------------
(A frustrated advertisement)
----------------------------------------------------------
I have received dozens of counter responses like:
"That is not the point of the game": I know, that is why I do not like it.
"You have narrow tastes": My tastes are different.
"There is so much more to the game": Yes there is but little of it entertains me.
"The server could not take that much input in largescale battles": Not sure if true but still does not make me appreciate it any more so.
"You control the pilot who is trained to pilot the craft": I know, that is why I do not like it.

I'll wait for a modern, quality space simulator.

CAPTCHA: "pipe down" - Shutup!

Black Prophecy? Or Dark Prophecy... I can't remember which it is. Basically X-Wing online, with all the modularship design stuff that people typically ask for. I don't know what happened to it, but space sims in general have died out as a genre. A great shame. I do know when I played it I lost interest fairly rapidly. Not a whole lot of depth to the game play when all is said and done.

In any case, the basic operation of a ship in Eve is as you say, being captain rather than pilot, but if you're flying something with... delicate tracking capabilities on the guns, you'll be doing the minor course corrections yourself. That's what tends to separate to good pilots from the best. Try it and fly Minmatar ships, and stick to your guns over missiles and drones.

Just try it once really. I used to be the same as you, but I've come to love the Eve way of doing it. Makes the game play much more thought provoking than cross hair tracing. And I'll be honest... I think the joy toy game play would actually detract from the character of the universe. Space battles look cooler when you can see the awesome stuff your ship is doing.

But each to their own. Check out Black/Dark Prophecy.

I will do that.

 

[Gilhelmi]

As a player of EVE I can understand the desire to get an advantage over the other guy, lord only knows I would LOVE to be able to get a nice Navy issue ship for almost no effort or cost. But also being a player makes more than familar with what can happen if you mess with the EVE economy so I'm going to have to agree with CCP on this one. I don't even want to imagine if this exploit spread and suddenly all PVP is being done in faction ships fit with faction gear.

I like how they weren't banned, so they can continue to look for less detectable ways to cheat.

And That is why we love EVE.

I agree With RvLeshrac too. It would be a nightmare getting into PvP if everyone was flying the most expensive ships with the most expensive modules. I would hate to see the damage that could be done by a 3 billion ISK Battleship.

A bit of a long read, but for anyone who wants a first-hand account of what happened, here's the forum thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=124145

Thank you, that's the most entertaining thing i've read in a while.

(*cough* starting to role-play as Gilhelmi - a pilot of EVE)
DEATH TO THE GOONS AND ALL WHO SUPPORT PIRACY. (hopefully at the end of my guns, hahaha).

That was a good read I enjoyed the pouting over getting their ill-gotten gains taken away. AND THEY STILL LOST THE MINERALS, HAHAHAHA. TRILLIONS TAKEN AWAY FROM THE EVIL DOERS, HAHAHAHA.

I do despise the Goons.
(*cough* stopping role-playing, and praying that the Goonswarm does not put a hit out on me. At least when I am not in my pvp BS)

 

[Gilhelmi]

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Consider that hit taken out -shakes fist- And trillions taken away isnt much, they make a trillion or two a month on moon goo in profits

Though a three billion isk battleship...really isnt all that scary. I have seen a few 3-4 billion isk Nightmares poped because they were being tards while running incursions. Especially considering for the cost of that one battleship you could get about 10 Alpha Maels that could blap it in a salvo [/quote]

Ya, I have only flirted with billion. I have been making a living doing *retracted because I am not that stupid* so I make more then the average player but nowhere near that much. Nightmares are what though 1.5 billions just for the ship? So ya they were stupid. I took a Rattlesnake into Low-sec once, I lost 500 mill that day (this was before SOMEONE drove the price of everything through the roof).

(*role-play*)
Ya, I am still Laghing about how they lost all the minerals that jumped in value after the "Burn Jita" mineral hoarding. Lucky for me, I had all my minerals saved up so it did not affect me 'much'. Still, part of me wishes I could talk about trillions like it was nothing. (*/role-play)

 

[Dogstile]

As a player of EVE I can understand the desire to get an advantage over the other guy, lord only knows I would LOVE to be able to get a nice Navy issue ship for almost no effort or cost. But also being a player makes more than familar with what can happen if you mess with the EVE economy so I'm going to have to agree with CCP on this one. I don't even want to imagine if this exploit spread and suddenly all PVP is being done in faction ships fit with faction gear.

I like how they weren't banned, so they can continue to look for less detectable ways to cheat.

And That is why we love EVE.

I agree With RvLeshrac too. It would be a nightmare getting into PvP if everyone was flying the most expensive ships with the most expensive modules. I would hate to see the damage that could be done by a 3 billion ISK Battleship.

A bit of a long read, but for anyone who wants a first-hand account of what happened, here's the forum thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=124145

Thank you, that's the most entertaining thing i've read in a while.

(*cough* starting to role-play as Gilhelmi - a pilot of EVE)
DEATH TO THE GOONS AND ALL WHO SUPPORT PIRACY. (hopefully at the end of my guns, hahaha).

That was a good read I enjoyed the pouting over getting their ill-gotten gains taken away. AND THEY STILL LOST THE MINERALS, HAHAHAHA. TRILLIONS TAKEN AWAY FROM THE EVIL DOERS, HAHAHAHA.

I do despise the Goons.
(*cough* stopping role-playing, and praying that the Goonswarm does not put a hit out on me. At least when I am not in my pvp BS)

Funny thing is, you're telling a goon you despise goons Although i'm not an eve player, I just follow the thread because it's hilarious. Although i'd recently stopped doing so, which is something I regret doing.

 

[Gilhelmi]

As a player of EVE I can understand the desire to get an advantage over the other guy, lord only knows I would LOVE to be able to get a nice Navy issue ship for almost no effort or cost. But also being a player makes more than familar with what can happen if you mess with the EVE economy so I'm going to have to agree with CCP on this one. I don't even want to imagine if this exploit spread and suddenly all PVP is being done in faction ships fit with faction gear.

I like how they weren't banned, so they can continue to look for less detectable ways to cheat.

And That is why we love EVE.

I agree With RvLeshrac too. It would be a nightmare getting into PvP if everyone was flying the most expensive ships with the most expensive modules. I would hate to see the damage that could be done by a 3 billion ISK Battleship.

A bit of a long read, but for anyone who wants a first-hand account of what happened, here's the forum thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=124145

Thank you, that's the most entertaining thing i've read in a while.

(*cough* starting to role-play as Gilhelmi - a pilot of EVE)
DEATH TO THE GOONS AND ALL WHO SUPPORT PIRACY. (hopefully at the end of my guns, hahaha).

That was a good read I enjoyed the pouting over getting their ill-gotten gains taken away. AND THEY STILL LOST THE MINERALS, HAHAHAHA. TRILLIONS TAKEN AWAY FROM THE EVIL DOERS, HAHAHAHA.

I do despise the Goons.
(*cough* stopping role-playing, and praying that the Goonswarm does not put a hit out on me. At least when I am not in my pvp BS)

Funny thing is, you're telling a goon you despise goons Although i'm not an eve player, I just follow the thread because it's hilarious. Although i'd recently stopped doing so, which is something I regret doing.

Ya, I know its masochistic of me. But at least it will be entertaining when they come. Win or lose its still something to do.