Evolution & Atheism... Is it really more plausible?

[Madkipz]

IF you had a choice between a self righteous ****** god who

1. Showed himself to a handful of people after several millenias of nothing but fake gods. Starting with abraham the cheif of maybe 50 - 100 people and told him literally that he was on their side and noone elses.

2. Kills thousands of people in the course of the old testament and burns heathen cities to the ground, destroying their walls so the jews can slaughter the innhabitants.

3. advocates self mutilation in the aspect of removing the foreskin of the penis.

4. Supports slavery, check the 10 commandements

5. condemnts 99% of the world to suffer for an eternity in this place called hell.

6. Advocates that man can do what he wants while the female stays at home cooking.

or the option of simply death, the big nothingness. Equality.

then yes by all means pick the first one. I pick the latter one because i know that if the first one was true then you would burn in hell with me.

 

[Palindromemordnilap_v1legacy]

the "Atheists, It's time to turn the spotlight on you" topic has me ranting. Such quotes as:

xXGeckoXx: "I will raise the child as a scientist. I will not teach him that there is a god. If he tells me that he has heard of religions and wants to know what they are all about i will tell him but I will tell him why it is scientiffically7 implausible. then once he has been told he can choose."

MalthusX: "I will teach them how some people thought the world was made, but I will point out that evolution makes more sense."

Does it really make more sense? Can people really argue this logically for me? Yes, I realize you can't completely disprove or even offer significant evidence against the fuzzy, biased view of the earth's creation by a Christian, but try and offer some real evidence FOR evolution.

You've never heard of fossils then? These wonderful things we dig up from the ground that are plants and creatures preserved in rock?
I think a good one is Archaeopteryx. It's literally half-bird/half-reptile:

I don't know how clued up on skeletons you are, whether or not you can notice the distinctive hip design of a bird with the limbs and torso of a dinosaur. You can at least see the feather outlines in the surrounding rock.
It also might be worth you knowing that "raptor" (as in Velociraptor) is another word for the birds of prey we have today, such as hawks and falcons

aruki: "A fair judge [God] wouldn't tarnish everyone from a family, street, town or country or race for the acts of two individuals from centuries ago. Assuming the bible to be correct that is."

Okay, I know this post wasn't typical post, normally people replied a bit more intelligently than that in the thread. But posts that showed little to no knowledge of the Christian side of the picture were fairly common.

Okay guys... post. Please do so in an intelligent manner (I reserve the right to make fun of every grammatical error found), and, if you directly mention elements of Christianity... make sure you have some idea what you are talking about.

That post seemed pretty informed to me. That's exactly the sort of thing God does. For example, the Jews following Moses, when marching through the desert, cried out for food so God made it rain fowls. However he did punish them for their greed...500 years later. I ask you, what's the point? To me that just seems like something bad happened to a bunch of believers and, looking for a reason why, they came up with the raining fowl thing and thought "Oh, maybe he was angry at us for demanding food like that". They've linked two events and come up with an imaginative reason as to why they've done such a thing. In short, just how a superstition is started.

 

[Diablini]

Oh, lord. This never stops does it. Does it really matter? Honestly? You have your views, i have mine etc etc. Lets just get over this already.

/thread.

 

[Seanchaidh]

And that, kids, is how evolution works on its most basic level.
Random mutations (differently coloured moths) lead to differences within a species. And the environmental conditions (white versus blackened tree trunks) decide who gets to live and reproduce.

I've actually heard that the descriptions of those specific moths were a sort of hoax that ended up in biology textbooks. I don't know if that's true. Just warning you in case someone provides some evidence of that. That said, there's plenty more examples that actually happened, though perhaps not so quickly.

 

[MajoraPersona]

hai gais i can haz mok ur vyews plzkthxbai

No matter what you believe, the fact of the matter is most people need to believe something. Whether you believe in a schizophrenic old guy who plays Telephone with people or Xenu sleeping in Ry'leh, you have an opinion about the world.

Me? I just kind of sit here, mocking other people and looking down on them from my parent's basement.

 

[bjj hero]

IF you had a choice between a self righteous ****** god who

Please dont use ****** in a derogatory way.

 

[twistedshadows]

I find it amusing how hypocritical you just were. You implied that people who don't believe in or are ignorant of Christianity are unintelligent, all the while showing off your disbelief and ignorance of scientific theories; many atheists would think you were the unintelligent one.

No, I cannot explain evolution in a logical manner to you because you clearly believe strongly in Christianity, just as you can't convince me that Christianity is logical because I believe strongly in science (I was raised Catholic, by the way, and truly believed it all for a long time).

It is a difference of opinion, and people have a right to their opinion even if it is different than yours. It doesn't necessarily make them stupid.

Get over it.

 

[Cxizent]

PS: Don't hate me for making a religious thread.

Fine, I'll hate you for knowingly starting a flame war. Honestly, if you cannot understand the basics of evoloution you are one of two things:
1. A moron
2. Too damned lazy to bother doing any basic research or readings on what it actually is (and then because you're trying to argue with it without any knowledge, a moron)

Neither have any place trying to contest it or imply it doesn't make sense. In the case of the second, here is a good place to start. You can read about some of the basic concepts without the "I'm not a monkey" bullshit most people would try and counter evolution theory with.

Sounds fun! Did you also read this before you made this post? I sure know that I did, before instructing another to take the same road. Anyone can go there and read about some of the basic concept without the "God isn't fair" bullshit most people would try and counter Creation theory with.

You may want to observe that I made no mention of my opinion on creationism (it is irrelivant, this is not a debate on it), merely the most common and most stupid counter arguament to evoloution. You'll find my understanding of christianity is far greater than most, so please refrain from patronizing me with wikipedia articles on faith at least until I say something that in some way could be taken as a contradiction of the fundamental concept of faith (perhaps if I was to argue something along the lines of "you can't prove god).

What I said was that you'd have to be a moron to not be able to understand the basics of evoloution (please note that understanding is different from beleiving). To even need to ask if one can "even argue it (evoloution) logicially" implies that you have no understanding of evoloution, logic or both.

tl;dr

 

[Agrael]

Who gives a rat's ass ?

Seriously...

 

[similar.squirrel]

This religion thing hasn't fizzled out yet?Or gotten out of control?

Anyway..I say you tell the kid both versions.
It depends on how you brought the child up, really. But if s/he's predisposed to question, and likes to see how things work, chances are s/he'll take the evolution theory.
If s/he's prone to flights of fancy and likes simple, shiny and reassuring answers, s/he may become religious.

 

[Zac_Dai]

Well done guys you helped this troll earn his Hot Topic badge!

 

[Skeleon]

And that, kids, is how evolution works on its most basic level.
Random mutations (differently coloured moths) lead to differences within a species. And the environmental conditions (white versus blackened tree trunks) decide who gets to live and reproduce.

I've actually heard that the descriptions of those specific moths were a sort of hoax that ended up in biology textbooks. I don't know if that's true. Just warning you in case someone provides some evidence of that. That said, there's plenty more examples that actually happened, though perhaps not so quickly.

Even if that specific example was not true (this is the first time I hear this), it still works to illustrate it. I could also use the giraffes or whatever else to make the same point.

 

[Dys]

PS: Don't hate me for making a religious thread.

Fine, I'll hate you for knowingly starting a flame war. Honestly, if you cannot understand the basics of evoloution you are one of two things:
1. A moron
2. Too damned lazy to bother doing any basic research or readings on what it actually is (and then because you're trying to argue with it without any knowledge, a moron)

Neither have any place trying to contest it or imply it doesn't make sense. In the case of the second, here is a good place to start. You can read about some of the basic concepts without the "I'm not a monkey" bullshit most people would try and counter evolution theory with.

Sounds fun! Did you also read this before you made this post? I sure know that I did, before instructing another to take the same road. Anyone can go there and read about some of the basic concept without the "God isn't fair" bullshit most people would try and counter Creation theory with.

You may want to observe that I made no mention of my opinion on creationism (it is irrelivant, this is not a debate on it), merely the most common and most stupid counter arguament to evoloution. You'll find my understanding of christianity is far greater than most, so please refrain from patronizing me with wikipedia articles on faith at least until I say something that in some way could be taken as a contradiction of the fundamental concept of faith (perhaps if I was to argue something along the lines of "you can't prove god).

What I said was that you'd have to be a moron to not be able to understand the basics of evoloution (please note that understanding is different from beleiving). To even need to ask if one can "even argue it (evoloution) logicially" implies that you have no understanding of evoloution, logic or both.

tl;dr

It's two paragraphs...why would you even bother replying to anything I have to say if you can't be bothered sparing 30 seconds to read two paragraphs. Why also would you respond to tell me you couldn't be bothere sparing a few seconds to gloss over it....

 

[Cxizent]

tl;dr

It's two paragraphs...why would you even bother replying to anything I have to say if you can't be bothered sparing 30 seconds to read two paragraphs. Why also would you respond to tell me you couldn't be bothere sparing a few seconds to gloss over it....

Admit it. There was a line, a sinker, and a hook, and you fell for them in no particular order.

 

[Dys]

tl;dr

It's two paragraphs...why would you even bother replying to anything I have to say if you can't be bothered sparing 30 seconds to read two paragraphs. Why also would you respond to tell me you couldn't be bothere sparing a few seconds to gloss over it....

Admit it. There was a line, a sinker, and a hook, and you fell for them in no particular order.

So we're now gloating about people responding to our poorly thought out arguaments? You're now going to try and claim you were trolling because you said something stupid and got called on it? Whatever, I don't really care a whole lot, but it's a little pathetic that you feel the need to try and claim it was intentional, especially on an anonymus forum.

 

[Mr Companion]

I see another one of these threads, I will repeat my previous statement.

"Anyhow I tend to avoid Religious people rather than try to shake my own definition of sense into them. And that is just it, it is all by our own definition. My own definition of sense could be that my mouse mat is a god in the form of plastic, and that he will one day revert into his original form to strike justice into all. And there will be those who tell me I am wrong, because they have free speech, and I will tell them they are wrong, because I have free speech. In actuality I am an atheist and don't believe anybody enforces justice in the world. But I feel that it is only fair that others believe in anything they like, however stupid it may seem to me. That is all there is to say."

And if you have a problem with why atheists believe what they believe (or dont) and why they feel they are more in the right. The reason I personally am an Atheist is because I had religion forced down my neck for six bloody bleeding years at a religious school. Six whole years of continuously praying every morning, six years having to pray despite my beliefs. I was never a man of god yet still religion was forced down my neck more aggressively than any atheist possibly could. It was the only school close enough but I still feel a hateful scar where Christians have tried to brand me. But never mind, keep on making threads about how Atheists keep on trying to convert people in a hypocritical manner despite misenformedly reffering to them as atheists and not anti-theists. Keep on hypocritically calling atheists misinformed and judgemental despite the twang of hypocrisy. I usually don't get this riled about religion but it is quite early in the morning and this is the second religion thread in the time span of a mere two days. And as much as I try to avoid Christians and not boycott them I find myself surrounded by it so often and their arguments are so thin I can see right through them. Still I will try to keep to myself in future if you don't like to see other peoples sides of the argument.

 

[DN83]

Evolution is accepted in Catholicism. Animals evolved into humans and humans have souls. Simple.

 

[Pink dragon]

I dont know

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

You should have done some research instead. There's in fact shitloads of evidence for evolution. I'm not going to pander your laziness by giving it to you though, go and look for yourself.

Besides, I think everyone else gave you enough.

Can mods lock this now? Please? Pwetty pwease?

 

[DoomyMcDoom]

I'm more inclined to say... I'm a christian, but not a religious person... I see evolution as plausable, and i see creation as plausable as well... I however do not think that brain power should be consumed trying to prove one over the other in any case as we need all the brains we can get thinking about how to save our relatively hairless human hides from extinction... y'know... alternative power sources that aren't nuclear, such as geothermal. alternative fuel sources. that kinda thing.
I see scientists who spend their free time arguing about evolution being the only truth and spend their ontime researching more ways to try and prove said point as disgusting as I find the majority of hypocritical christians who preach and don't act on it...

I say leave this argument/conversation/debate to the dogs and cats and other animals who aren't actively saving lives and developing new and interesting ideas, the topic is so old it's getting moldy!