Evolution is real. Its a real thing that really does happen and did happen. Gah!

[Woodsey]

If it were real, and we evolved from monkeys, how come there are still monkeys around? You can't explain that.

And what of the tides?! NO ONE CAN EXPLAIN THE TIDES! TIDE COMES IN, TIDE COMES OUT! NO EXPLANATION!

*sets self on fire and dances*

 

[x EvilErmine x]

Simply put, most people who don't think evolution is a real thing never will because they don't want it to be real. Somehow they find the theory of evolution changeling to there beliefs or ideals so they refuse to think of it as credible.

Rather than reassessing their perceived ideas in the light of new evidence they choose not to and just ignore the evidence or try to disprove it using non empirical means.

The only way that's ever going to change is if the people doing the denying stop and reassess there beliefs in the light of the new information. Which they wont, because they already know the truth...isn't circular logic grand kiddies.

 

[xXTheParadoxXx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO9IPoAdct8

I'm not sure if this has been posted already. If not. Enjoy

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

Don't be completely short sighted, evolution is only a theory.

If it were real, and we evolved from monkeys, how come there are still monkeys around? You can't explain that.

Next you'll be claiming that the world is round like that dude in the other thread. What's wrong with you people, has the world gone mad.

For the first two lines I thought you were serious. Poe's law strikes again.

OT: Science doesn't care if you believe in it, it doesn't require being spread and maintained as an idea to still be true, but it does matter what people think because it will affect the future. That people still believe the word of 2000+ year old uneducated peasants over renowned scientists who have devoted their lives to discovery is not only insulting but it's just plain stupid.

Believing what you want is great, I love the theory of forms, as an example, but it should't interfere with accepted fact. It sure as shit should't affect education.

 

[someonehairy-ish]

Y'know, that does bring up an interesting point. What if the monkeys one day start catching up? A group of "the missing link" shows up in a jungle somewhere. The societal changes once they gain communication and mental skills could be massive.

'Course, I never claimed to be a scientist, so I suppose there could be some reason they will never evolve further.

Because evolution isn't in a 'straight line' from monkeys to humans. Humans are not the 'aim' of evolution, more just an accident that happened to be extremely good at taking over the world. Monkeys are still evolving but the chances of them ending up closer to being human are astronomically low.

Interestingly, there used to be other hominid species that were intelligent and came from the same common ancestor as us. Scientists are pretty sure that early humans wiped them out though.

Also, apes, not monkeys.

 

[Sunrider]

Also, it technically it's still a theory. It isn't right but like all beliefs it isn't wrong.

I'm with this guy.

Sorry, but you are both wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
I urge you to read through this, it's something everyone should know in my opinion.

 

[Rack]

Show them this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCXzcPNsqGA

Ive used this program myself, its fantastic. Until my big bro messed it up I had my own species that could climb tough terrain effectively. Its not total proof of evolution but its good enough for me. Yknow, on top of all the evidence and that.

If you want to give them nightmares? I understand the sentiment, but seeing those blocks move like living things creeps me the hell out and I don't think that's warranted for ignorance.

 

[Frostbyte666]

Yes, it does annoy me a bit, but the problem with proving the theory is we can't find the missing links in the chain. We have found evidence of types a, b and c but not any specimens that were undergoing a change from a to b so that we can say that is where evolution is occuring. There is a lot of stuff that strongly supports evolution that we can witness, though this is more selection pressures, like the white winged and brown winged moths in an urban environment.

Now I don't believe in god/gods or any type of will behind evolution but 1 evolution that brings a lot of thought to mind is how did any creature evolve a 4 chambered heart from the ancient standard 2 chambered heart common in fish and things from which nearly everything evolved from (yes kind of contradicting myself since evolution isn't proven but strongly implied). That's a hell of a mutation and it's an all or nothing deal.

 

[someonehairy-ish]

the odds of it randomly happening is insane.

Aye, but take something that has a billion to one chance of happening and then give it a billion chances to happen and the odds say that it will happen.

This is the same argument that says that the Earth must be a miracle because for any planet to have the perfect conditions for life there is only a one is six billion chance (or something.) But there are significantly more than six billion planets out there.

Also, I think you probably meant spermatozoa. Although come to think of it, I'm not entirely sure how to spell it either. Pretty sure it is that way.

 

[MintberryCrunch]

Talos guide you!

Oh don't come here with all of that 'Talos' nonsense, it's obvious that he isn't a true Divine.

OT: I don't know anybody at all that believes in Creationism, even religious friends that I have agree that we did evolve over a period of millions of years. I feel truly sorry for you.

Sorry, but you are both wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
I urge you to read through this, it's something everyone should know in my opinion.

This, so much this. Too many people confuse the general definition of theory with the scientific definition of theory.

 

[iseko]

the odds of it randomly happening is insane.

Aye, but take something that has a billion to one chance of happening and then give it a billion chances to happen and the odds say that it will happen.

This is the same argument that says that the Earth must be a miracle because for any planet to have the perfect conditions for life there is only a one is six billion chance (or something.) But there are significantly more than six billion planets out there.

Also, I think you probably meant spermatozoa. Although come to think of it, I'm not entirely sure how to spell it either. Pretty sure it is that way.

You pretty much summed up my reason to believe in evolution right their. Doesn't change the fact that it is nearly impossible for me the grasp that 1:1000000000 chance has happened not once but thousands of times. So I don't find it hard to believe that other people just don't believe it. I hope you understand. It's kind of hard to explain.

And thanks. English is not my native language. So sometimes spelling and grammar are a ***** .

 

[CaptainMarvelous]

Dont they still call this the "theory" of evolution? Meaning its not 100% fact?

Yeah, the people who call it just a consipracy are ignorant, but just calling them idiots is just as ignorant. Actually study and look into this stuff before you make a decide whats up.

They call it a theory because that's how they refer to these things. Like how they still say "Theory of Gravity".

You never ever ever ever say "evidence to PROVE" in science, only "evidence to support", even if there's overwhelming evidence that the theory is, in fact, fact.

Felt relevant. And OT too.

 

[wizzy555]

This experiment 'proves' that amino acids can be formed out of their raw materials. But to go from THAT to even single celled organisms is quite frankly mind boggling. Even if you have the assumption that early life only used RNA (it's the general consensus) it is still a long way to go. Do you know how many proteins it takes to 'read' RNA and translate/build a protein? Even assuming you cut that number in half or more, the odds of it randomly happening is insane.

The structure of the tail of of a spermatozoon (that is how it is written in english?) is one of the main examples of intelligent design. It's almost unimaginable that this happened by chance. And if you understand evolution then you know there is no driving will. It's all chance. Personally I am of the opinion that just because you don't understand how something works, you don't have to assume a higher being did it (although you can't rule it out either). I think it is possible that everything happened through evolution and that I/humanity will never know/understand how it exactly occurred.

The answer to this is that the single cells today are not like the 1st single cells. Bacteria and single cells alive today have been evolving as long as humans have and they are advanced single cells. The 1st would have been very simple and wouldn't survive long put in a dish of modern bacteria.

And the main example of intelligent design is the bacterial flagellum not the tail of the spermatozoon, (although they look similar).

 

[someonehairy-ish]

the odds of it randomly happening is insane.

Aye, but take something that has a billion to one chance of happening and then give it a billion chances to happen and the odds say that it will happen.

This is the same argument that says that the Earth must be a miracle because for any planet to have the perfect conditions for life there is only a one is six billion chance (or something.) But there are significantly more than six billion planets out there.

Also, I think you probably meant spermatozoa. Although come to think of it, I'm not entirely sure how to spell it either. Pretty sure it is that way.

You pretty much summed up my reason to believe in evolution right their. Doesn't change the fact that it is nearly impossible for me the grasp that 1:1000000000 chance has happened not once but thousands of times. So I don't find it hard to believe that other people just don't believe it. I hope you understand. It's kind of hard to explain.

And thanks. English is not my native language. So sometimes spelling and grammar are a ***** .

Your spelling and grammar are both extremely good then. It is kind of hard to grasp, but once you do everything starts to make sense.

 

[CaptainMarvelous]

how come only we have really evolved to this state with humans all over the world of different colours and styles all related to the same ancestor, but how come the orangutan never did?

You can ask the same question about elephants or fig trees. Some species are more successful than others, some are more adaptable to different environments, some can only thrive in a specific environment.

but can they play halo?

Dude, if Orangutans can't play Halo I don't want to live on this planet any more.

 

[iseko]

This experiment 'proves' that amino acids can be formed out of their raw materials. But to go from THAT to even single celled organisms is quite frankly mind boggling. Even if you have the assumption that early life only used RNA (it's the general consensus) it is still a long way to go. Do you know how many proteins it takes to 'read' RNA and translate/build a protein? Even assuming you cut that number in half or more, the odds of it randomly happening is insane.

The structure of the tail of of a spermatozoon (that is how it is written in english?) is one of the main examples of intelligent design. It's almost unimaginable that this happened by chance. And if you understand evolution then you know there is no driving will. It's all chance. Personally I am of the opinion that just because you don't understand how something works, you don't have to assume a higher being did it (although you can't rule it out either). I think it is possible that everything happened through evolution and that I/humanity will never know/understand how it exactly occurred.

The answer to this is that the single cells today are not like the 1st single cells. Bacteria and singles cells alive today have been evolving as long as humans have and they are advanced single cells. The 1st would have been very simple and wouldn't survive long put in a dish of modern bacteria.

And the main example of intelligent design is the bacterial flagellum not the tail of the spermatozoon, (although they look similar).

I don't really find that an answer. I understand what you are saying and maybe with your next reply you can re-educate me (not sarcastic or something). I know the proposed design of the 'first' single cell organisms. I'm talking about getting from a few amino acids and bases to those first single cells. Even though they are laughably simplistic compared to modern bacteria they are still very complex compared to a single adenosine molecule. You understand what I mean? How do we get from a pile of bricks to a house, even a simple house, by pure chance. How did the first RNA come into existence. And how did the first proteins needed to interact with that RNA come into existence. And all of this confined by a membrane built out of lipids.

Yea you are probably right about the flagellum thing. I saw it with the tail of spermatozoon. They are pretty much the same but in a way bacterial flagellum makes more sense. Sorry.

 

[Naeras]

Although a lot of people honestly don't know what they're talking on both sides of this argument(if it had even been an argument), evolution is very much real, and the people who claim otherwise needs to read up on how insulin production and resistance to antibiotics work.

Oh, and it should be mandatory for anyone who says "evolution's just a theory" to redo high school, and specifically pay attention research theory and any kind of science courses. Seriously, exactly how braindead do people have to be in order to utter those words?

 

[thePyro_13]

The best argument I've ever seen is that we can't possibly have DNA in our bodies because the A stands for acid. Thus, if we had DNA, we'd melt. Flawless logic

Was gunna eat an orange, but realised at the last second.

It's scary how easily I could have accidentally killed myself. I can't believe someone left that time bomb sitting right next to normal fruit.

 

[aattss]

FYI In parts of Africa, animal traps are becoming somewhat frequent. In fact, there have apparently been enough to kill enough monkeys to make it so that now monkeys are able to disarm the traps without trial and error.