Evony Hacker Slapped With $300,000 Judgment
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Along with any significant assets he owns free and clear, like a car or such, which would be auctioned off. I highly doubt he is dirt poor to have the equipment needed to do what he did.Lawyer105 said:It's hardly a big deal. If he's that badly off, he can just declare bankruptcy and the whole thing (and any other debts he's incurred!) just goes away
All the same, I have to wonder, why hack your way into a crap game like Evony? Was he hoping that tits were really in there?
Seriously, he could have used his abilities for bigger fish or even made an Evony clone and made legit money off of that.
If he can honestly prove he has no assets or savings to pay a fraction of that judgement, he probably won't even have to declare bankruptcy. But he has to prove it first. All things considered, this idiot had it coming.
Except he did show up in court.Starke said:
As we can see he showed up despite not having a lawyer and pretty much told them "I have no way to defend myself because I'm piss broke and my illegal activities were barely keeping me above homelessness"
So yeah, kinda makes the rest of what you said moot.
On what grounds? They lost no revenue, they lost no other users and they managed to keep the value of their company so, where on earth do they think the money is from? Granted he made money from a bot but if he's barely managing on that amount and since econy hasn't been going on for very long, I doubt it would be valued at $300,000.
If this works, Jagex can sue half their users for bots and selling their crap to other members
If this works, Jagex can sue half their users for bots and selling their crap to other members
Evony? Isn't that the game with tasteless ads of women practically falling out of skimpy outfits?
While the hacker's activities warranted some sort of action, $300,000 seems rather excessive. If I was in their shoes I'd settle for $5,000 and a lifetime ban from the game.
While the hacker's activities warranted some sort of action, $300,000 seems rather excessive. If I was in their shoes I'd settle for $5,000 and a lifetime ban from the game.
Wow, wasn't aware he didn't even try to fight the thing in court. My opinion has changed, the guy was an utter moron.Starke said:Yeah, except you really can't appeal a summary judgment. I mean he basically refused mount any response to the claims, and decided to ignore the court case, and this is the result. He's fucked.Enkidu88 said:This is what the Appellate court is for
How on earth does Evony even have a legitimate claim, their game has content stripped straight from AoE and Civ. That, and it's designed to rip you off at every turn, and it probably contains malware, and it sucks, etc...
Then again, this Holland guy sounds like a complete dumbass. He probably could've won this, if he'd bothered to make a decent court-appearance.
Then again, this Holland guy sounds like a complete dumbass. He probably could've won this, if he'd bothered to make a decent court-appearance.
I don't understand why he didn't have a public defender.
Running an unauthorized server is complete idiocy but the amount he owes is equally stupid. Whatever money he brought in, before expenses, should be given to Evony and I don't see anything wrong with a fine to reflect hacking them and exploiting their source code, but 300k is ridiculous.
Running an unauthorized server is complete idiocy but the amount he owes is equally stupid. Whatever money he brought in, before expenses, should be given to Evony and I don't see anything wrong with a fine to reflect hacking them and exploiting their source code, but 300k is ridiculous.
Fuck, that's loads of moolah. Maybe that's how browser based games earn their money?
Seriously though, I'm torn here. I don't like people like this guy trying to rip off other people, but at the same time, he's gonna be paying that shit back for the rest of his life.
Seriously though, I'm torn here. I don't like people like this guy trying to rip off other people, but at the same time, he's gonna be paying that shit back for the rest of his life.
Not quite how bankruptcy works.Lawyer105 said:It's hardly a big deal. If he's that badly off, he can just declare bankruptcy and the whole thing (and any other debts he's incurred!) just goes away
And can I sue the creators of Evony for false advertising and spyware? I think $825,000 sounds like a reasonable amount.
I can understand why they did it, but Evony's pretty much screwed this guy for the rest of his life now. He's going to be in debt even on his deathbed, now.
Couldn't they have slapped a smaller fine and a serious warning on him, before going all the way?
Couldn't they have slapped a smaller fine and a serious warning on him, before going all the way?
Ah, now that you mention it that does sound familiar. Given the amount of money involved I was thinking felony v. misdemeanor rather than criminal v. civil.mojodamm said:
Pfft. evony - bastards technically stole money from me.
It was getting really tedious so I did do some autofarming - my acct was closed, but they still took out subscription payment for the next month after 24H - forgot to cancel the paypal subscription on time. All attempts at refund were fobbed off and Paypal dispute went nowhere, Evony claimed digital goods, Paypal automatically resolved in their favour. Of course, the fact that I could no way no how received these goods, so I was basically defrauded fell on deaf ears.
Disclaimer: This is how I personally percieve the company and the resolution of the dispute between me and evony.
It was getting really tedious so I did do some autofarming - my acct was closed, but they still took out subscription payment for the next month after 24H - forgot to cancel the paypal subscription on time. All attempts at refund were fobbed off and Paypal dispute went nowhere, Evony claimed digital goods, Paypal automatically resolved in their favour. Of course, the fact that I could no way no how received these goods, so I was basically defrauded fell on deaf ears.
Disclaimer: This is how I personally percieve the company and the resolution of the dispute between me and evony.
Well. It just took too much of my time - I was seriously addicted. Wake up @ 4am to check on your cities. Run home after work to see if your army had starved, etc. So I did write my own bot - I think I actually invested into learning Adobe FLEX and writing the damn thing more effort than I would have made by clicking their buttons like a robot, so I don't think I cheated @ all. I am not a monkey - I can write the code and I used my fingers to write stuff into Eclipse editor as opposed to holding it on a mouse and clicking away. I wasn't even a freetard - I payed monthly for this game, thus making it available to other players. I fail to see how any of this makes it right for them to charge for the NEXT month after my access was cut off - mind you I am _not_ complaining about the revoked access.
