Exclusion in gaming.

[Rebel_Raven]

It's like comparing a village to a nation. The scope is too great. A guys "poker night" would be like a party chat, or friends list instead of the gaming community as a whole.

How do you dissect the gaming community into gaming communities, anyhow? I mean if you go into genres (Fps, sports games, TPS, RPGs, strategy, etc.), that's still pretty huge to just boot out an entire gender.

Games are supposed to be for everyone, IMO. Excluding women from games is like saying they can never play poker, or buy a deck of cards anywhere.

Yeah, games are targeted at guys, by and large (At least mostly in the past 13 years), but that doesn't stop women from trying to enjoy them.

 

[briankoontz]

There's no good reason to be given *for* excluding women. If some young men are insecure around women and want to exclude them so they can be more comfortable in their recreational activity, then for one that's a high price women are asked to pay, and also it's better for the socialization of young men to spend *more* time around women, so they can lose their insecurity.

Men avoiding women intentionally to preserve their own social weakness doesn't help anyone, and perhaps least of all the very men promoting the avoidance.

Integrating the genders promotes a much healthier overall society. World of Warcraft has a much healthier community than Call of Duty largely because it's fairly gender-balanced, which promotes cooperation and understanding between people of different genders, while in Call of Duty both genders feel free to berate and insult, but some of the male insults are intended to push women away.

Any society with only one gender is dystopian. It encourages extreme and unhealthy behavior, and this is also true of all-female societies. The worst things I've ever heard women say was when no men were around - people are at their best in mixed-gender company.

 

[psijac]

There has been quite a bit of "discussion" about certain gaming communities being hostile to women.

But I do wonder, is it that big a deal?

I mean, even married couples have their own exclusionary activities.

Guys have "poker night", "going fishing" or just a night out drinking.

Women have "girls night out", where they do I don't know what.

Neither would want the opposite sex around for those aforementioned activities.

So why is it a big deal if certain games communities are guy-only?

Exclusion in games is great but only if it is merit based.

Can't beat that one level on candy crush? You must be a sad noob, but let me help by sending some lives.

 

[small]

a guys poker night in used in the context of modern gaming would be guys being allowed to play absolutely every single card game in existence while females are allowed to play something like like "snap".. those filthy casuals!

 

[go-10]

I don't think either gender would mind if their partner is in whatever activity they're doing the problem comes at what's done/talked about in those activities that the other person might find extremely boring or nonsensical

for example, when me and my dude friends get together and talk all kinds of crap with debate #45196 about who would win in a fight between Mazinkaiser, Shin Getter Robo, and Gurren Lagann, or which of the saiyans is the best, or when we start writing the script for Brokeback Mountain 2 starting Emma Stone and Scarlet Johansson; well in all honesty I think my girlfriend would be bored to death

same could be said when the girls get together to "burn some plastic" which out of curiosity I asked about one day thinking it was some awesome ritual where they all got together and shared stories about the best plastic toys and would "burn" the ones that sucked. But no, it's not that cool, no action figures or PVC statues or anything, it's all about going to the mall trying on what seemed like a million different shoes and charging it to their credit cards, hence the term of burning plastic

so yeah I don't think we exclude each other from certain activities because we don't want the other one around, it's more of a "you can come, but don't blame me when you get extremely bored"

 

[newfoundsky]

Girls night out frequently don't include men - wouldn't be a girls night out if it did. We accept that without much protest. So why all the outrage if a gaming community isn't friendly towards women.

You're still free to call your guy friends and have a gaming night together without icky female cooties.
And, I dunno, talk about Reality tv or building houses or whatever it is guys talk about. Your gender is a mystery to me.

Or only invite red-heads.

Or people called 'Sam'.

You and your buddies doing stuff together as a social group =/= the gaming community.

We generally just sit around, fart, and talk about how things "ain't how they used to be". Then oppress a minority with sheer penis envy.

The very idea that gaming is just for men or just for women, or that any activity is gendered at all, is completely moronic and best and actively oppressive at worst.

Deadish, quit trying to sweep sexism under the rug, friend.