Explain Anarchy to me

[Vault101]

I undertand theres more to anarchy than just "no government"

however personally I dont understand how our society could run under such a thing, no one is going to clean up the streets for nothing, and some people arnt going to stop killing others because its not a very nice thing to do

 

[jackpipsam]

Anarchy to my understanding is pure freedom... and it would crush society, not really a good thing.

 

[Saelune]

Anarchy, from my understanding, is that people should ultimatly self rule themselves, and be free. The best show if a more resonable anarchy I guess would be nature itself. (Though animals within it do essentially have controlling bodies, ie Alpha Male of a pack of wolves)

But to many it is just chaotic (though not neccesarily violent) acts against government and controlling bodies.

 

[Tulks]

That no-one is universally considered to be in charge doesn't necessarily mean that nothing gets done, or that no-one is controlling things.

In states where the government has collapsed, many people will just get on with their daily business as usual.

Consider, how much direct influence does your government have over your average day.

 

[RaNDM G]

Anarchists believe that all governments can easily be corrupted by the interests of people of wealth and power. They pursue a kind of society where the people rule by cooperation, not by choosing someone to represent them.

Of course, Anarchists have been painted as terrorists since the McKinley assassination in the 19th century. While the specific group of Anarchists involved were radical terrorists, most modern members today prefer the peaceful exchange of ideas over violence.

Does that mean the Anarchist view of society is right? No. But it doesn't make them out as the stereotypical criminals society portrays them as.

 

[Xixikal]

Sounds good, looks bad.

 

[GrizzlerBorno]

Ask the Assassin's from the Assassin's Creed franchise. It's what they (and by proxy, I) are fighting for.......for some stupid reason....

 

[OmniscientOstrich]

I undertand theres more to anarchy than just "no government"

however personally I dont understand how our society could run under such a thing, no one is going to clean up the streets for nothing, and some people arnt going to stop killing others because its not a very nice thing to do

'No government' is actually the true definition of Communism which alot of people mislabel with the those totalitarian Socialist trainwrecks that occured throughought these past 100 years. My understanding of anarchism is simply 'no laws'.

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

It's like Middle School gym class for all eternity. The strong ruling over the weak.

It's supporters never see it like that, but honestly I can't help but see anarchy ending up with that as the result.

 

[ChupathingyX]

Play Fallout: New Vegas and play the independant path, that's what it is.

No rules or real authority which means people can do whatever the hell they like and will more then likely screw it up. But, if done right it could work, people just need to work together and not be total douchebags...

 

[Patshiv]

I think what you are looking for is more correctly referred to as Anarchism, there ought to be a wikipedia page about it.

As I understand it it's pretty much the ideal of a society with no state where people are free to do whatever they please. This does not nessecarily mean a society with no social rules mind you.
Essentially it approaches the same ideal as communism, just from the other direction so to speak, instead of an all powerful state you have no state, but with the same purpose behind it. Absolute freedom, non-materialism and so on...

 

[Smooth Operator]

Well anarchy is simply about total freedom (from laws, government, police,...), it is simply a natural desire of a caged animal to be free (oh but we arent animals! ... yes we are)

The downside ofcourse is "total freedom" + "animal nature" = "jungle law", and that is quite a scary thing when people got guns and nukes.

 

[GrizzlerBorno]

Ask the Assassin's from the Assassin's Creed franchise. It's what they (and by proxy, I) are fighting for.......for some stupid reason....

No. They simply live under a different government and set of laws.

It's already been shown that (in the game universe) almost every Governmental construct in modern history was either created or controlled by the Templars, to try and control people, from Theocracy, to Communism, to Capitalism. Hence, the Assassin's want none of those since they control people. Which is what a Government IS, at the simplest level.

So which Govt. do they live under, then? Indulge me, would you kindly?

 

[Vault101]

Play Fallout: New Vegas and play the independant path, that's what it is.

No rules or real authority which means people can do whatever the hell they like and will more then likely screw it up. But, if done right it could work, people just need to work together and not be total douchebags...

I went for an independant vegas...

but there is still a leadership structure, the courier and her securitrons, I mean yeah the rest of the wasteland looks after itself I guess depending on each induvidual group, is that what you mean? as in the NCR isnt the sole Aurthority over the reigion

In the end,, I think an independant vegas was one of the better options, NCR just simply couldnt handle ruling over the reigion

It's like Middle School gym class for all eternity. The strong ruling over the weak.

It's supporters never see it like that, but honestly I can't help but see anarchy ending up with that as the result.

true, though perhaps if you had enough decent liek minded people...then corruption is a possability then your right back where you started (that is probably simplyfying the whoel thing however)

 

[AWAR]

So the only thing that keeps people from killing eachother and cleaning the streets is government?
Have you ever heard of the Paris Commune?

 

[AVATAR_RAGE]

I undertand theres more to anarchy than just "no government"

however personally I dont understand how our society could run under such a thing, no one is going to clean up the streets for nothing, and some people arnt going to stop killing others because its not a very nice thing to do

It only would work in small communities with the understanding for individual needs. "Yeah I will clean the streets if you give a few loaves of bread" That type of mentality.

The problem here is that when it does work, it only works when the anarchic community has a "bigger gun" than the surrounding communities.

 

[GrizzlerBorno]

Ask the Assassin's from the Assassin's Creed franchise. It's what they (and by proxy, I) are fighting for.......for some stupid reason....

It's already been shown that (in the game universe) almost every Governmental construct in modern history was either created or controlled by the Templars, to try and control people, from Theocracy, to Communism, to Capitalism. Hence, the Assassin's want none of those since they control people. Which is what a Government IS, at the simplest level.

So which Govt. do they live under, then? Indulge me, would you kindly?

I have no idea what point you are trying to make, but you did nothing to combat my previous comment - that the assassins do not live in an anarchy, as they have laws, leaders and very strict codes of behavior.

Anarchy;
1a : absence of government
b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority
c : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government
2a : absence or denial of any authority or established order
b : absence of order (disorder)
3 : anarchism

[sup]([link]http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchy[/link])[/sup]

Clearly not how the assassins of Assassin's Creed operate.

Ah. Well in that case I'm sorry to inform you that you have completely missed the point of my first comment. Please read it again. It says "[anarchy] is what the Assassin's are fighting FOR."

Do they have rules within their own order? Course they do. The "Creed" dictates the actions of all bona-fide Assassin's. But they are NOT fighting to recruit every man, woman and god forbid, child INTO the Assassin Order, are they? No, they fight for some arbitrary and naive illusion of "freedom".

The Rules they have will never work for the large population they hope to set free from "Tyranny". These are not rules that can be enforced, so the whole brotherhood relies entirely on "trust" of it's members to follow the creed. Well you can't "trust" 6 billion+ people, so yeah.....what they fight FOR....is anarchy. That's all I meant.

 

[rabidmidget]

Anarchy doesn't necessarily mean no laws or order, it simply means that there is no form of "state", one way a anarchic society could work would be through a purely capitalism based society where everything is privatised, or on the other side of the coin, a purely communist based society, where everything is shared and everyone is equal.

But I still think it's fundamentally flawed.

 

[GrizzlerBorno]

words

"The order believed in a strong set of values that strictly governed their way of life. This Creed consisted of three tenets:
'Stay your blade from the flesh of an innocent.'
'Hide in plain sight, be one with the crowd.'
'Never compromise the Brotherhood.'

[sup]([link]http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/The_Creed[/link])[/sup]

Doesn't sound anything like anarchy to me.

Jebus fucking christ! Are you even Reading my replies?

YES the Assassin Order have very strict, very Noble Rules. I KNOW. I AGREE. But their aim is NOT to make everyone ELSE on Earth follow these rules. Their aim is to setup a society with no rules. Not even THEIR noble, strict rules. Do you understand the "words" that are coming out of my mouth?

 

[Iron Mal]

Anarchy by my understanding is a state of lawlessness, no rules, no regulations, no order (at least none of which is officially enforced).

To some it sounds like a brilliant idea becuse of the supposed freedom and independance it brings but for some facism is a good system because of the sense of strict order and discipline that it brings (everyone has their own idea of what a true Utopia would be).

I think that Anarchy would only ever be a temporary event if it ever was adopted, after long enough there would be people who would want the state of unpredictability and chaos to end (people need stability in their lives), you'd be suprised how quickly we'd start missing our 'oppressive, evil governments' if there was no police to help us when someone breaks into your house or no hospital to help your loved one when they've been seriously wounded or taken ill (things we only have because of the organisation and resources that a formal government can posess and utilise).