Extra Punctuation: Uncharted 3 Should've Tried Harder
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I just want to point out that he plays these games to completion because he is PAID to review these games in full, and it's not fair to do so without completing the game. The exception being Final Fantasy XIII.Therumancer said:
CriticalQuit said:
Again, I think people didn't get that I was in an odd mood and not being entirelty serious (and I don't routinely use that as a dodge or anything, in this case I'm serious about the original post being intended tongue-in-cheek) I should have tried to make that more clear with some emoticons and such.
That said, yes Yahtzee is a paid reviewer, but he seems to say routinely that he DOES get to choose what games to review and when. He has skipped numerous popular games that doubtlessly would have gotten him popular reviews, or made no bones about delaying them until weeks after release. If he totally loathes something he basically doesn't review it, or does something incredibly insulting and sarcastic like he has done with say "The Witcher" back in the day where if I remember he cut the review off after like 30 seconds or whatever.
... and yes, I understand his entire schtick about hating on games.
And this is exactly why I think that Every Uncharted past Drake's Fortune is a piece of crap.mjc0961 said:Yeah, all that stuff about Drake just being able to magically fight just fine when needed bothered me about Uncharted 2, even. As mentioned in the article,
He gets shot and is in a train wreck, and then has to climb out of the train wreck in cold weather without proper clothing on. You're playing as him and he's slow, stumbling around, obviously suffering from the gunshot, blood loss, and cold. In fact, as I recall, he sits down against some broken train car because he can't keep going with all his injuries anymore, but then enemies show up and suddenly he's perfectly okay again! You fight them all off with ease, and then suddenly it's back to weak Drake. Then he keeps walking for quite some time before eventually passing out. But some guy finds him immediately (how convenient) and helps him out. Drake's in bed for a few days and despite being shot, losing blood, and almost freezing to death, they give him a coat and now he's completely fine again, as if he had never been injured in the first place.
Same thing earlier in the game too. Drake gets sent to jail for, what was it, 6 months? I think it was six months. And I recall that he describes it as just being stuck in that cell going to the bathroom in a bucket the entire time. And yet he's still just as fit as he ever was. Shouldn't being stuck in a cell with nothing to do for that long cause him to be weaker? Bah.
See, the slogan on the back of the box for Uncharted 1 was "one ordinary man, one extraordinary adventure" and in Uncharted 1, he really was just an ordinary man. But then in Uncharted 2, he's not. I once joked that "They might as well have changed Nate's name to Clark Kent for all the times he should have been dead or at least weak" and "I think Drake will be able to fly and shoot laser beams from his eyes in Uncharted 3" because of all the times Drake just randomly was okay despite injuries in Uncharted 2. It's really disappointing to hear that while he still can't fly yet, he's gotten closer to being able to do so since Uncharted 2.
I agree with the "insufferable little shit" part 100%! That conversation with Marlowe was the best part of the game! She was the only interesting character and there was hardly anything of her in it.
The game strongly implies that Drake has a pathologically need to constantly look for treasure and put himself in mortal danger, despite how badly it ruins his relationships.meromero said:
There's no reason why that can't work, you know. Yahtzee even said that in the article that Uncharted 3's problem is that they just didn't put in much of an effort to string the set pieces together. I can agree with that for the same reasons he did, i just didn't let it ruin the game for me, because a lot of games tend to have some stroke of luck to move the plot along.Duatha said:
But why the fuck Drake didn't pick up some water or supplies from the crash (at least a little so he wouldn't be weighed down) perplexed me. He knew the desert was 600 miles across and he wasn't the one with the ability to read stars. It's like when an elephant just wanders away from everything to die.
All in all i liked Uncharted 3, but unless they plan on doing some actual character development in Uncharted 4 i'd probably rather not see it made (And i've platinumed the two first, working on the third and when a fanboy starts losing interest you should probably stop >_>)
These are the people I trust with writing stories:
Hideki Kamiya
Fumito Ueda (Only if Shadow of the Colossus is good; Ico, Ico may go to hell)
Guy(s) who wrote the Infamous series
Tim Schafer (big concession there)
Ken Levine (Enough trust to make Bioshock Infinite, which scares me, look marketable)
Whoever writes the Assassin Creed's series (I don't like the games but the story works fine)
Whoever writes the modern Legend of Zelda games (I can't find his name, but holy crap this guy knows what he is doing)
Probably a lot of people I forgot
These are people I trust to develop the aesthetic and narrative of games for future writers. I like them because they are at least capable of keeping all the elements of the story together, all compact-like. See, a story can't be made by trying to raise emotions or tension. It starts by making a story.
I played Uncharted 2 and I think it's equivalent to Naruto for me. In that it's boring and it's trying to be a lot of things. It is trying to be a lot of things by shoving all of those things in its mouth as fast as possible. Which will eventually come out of its ass.
Edit: I'll concede, Infamous has never made a lot of sense plot-wise, I saying this without really needing to justify it. But at least it's interesting and doesn't try to gorge on drama and emotions. No, it gorges on trash monsters and ice nazis, to which I say live on, live on.
Hideki Kamiya
Fumito Ueda (Only if Shadow of the Colossus is good; Ico, Ico may go to hell)
Guy(s) who wrote the Infamous series
Tim Schafer (big concession there)
Ken Levine (Enough trust to make Bioshock Infinite, which scares me, look marketable)
Whoever writes the Assassin Creed's series (I don't like the games but the story works fine)
Whoever writes the modern Legend of Zelda games (I can't find his name, but holy crap this guy knows what he is doing)
Probably a lot of people I forgot
These are people I trust to develop the aesthetic and narrative of games for future writers. I like them because they are at least capable of keeping all the elements of the story together, all compact-like. See, a story can't be made by trying to raise emotions or tension. It starts by making a story.
I played Uncharted 2 and I think it's equivalent to Naruto for me. In that it's boring and it's trying to be a lot of things. It is trying to be a lot of things by shoving all of those things in its mouth as fast as possible. Which will eventually come out of its ass.
Edit: I'll concede, Infamous has never made a lot of sense plot-wise, I saying this without really needing to justify it. But at least it's interesting and doesn't try to gorge on drama and emotions. No, it gorges on trash monsters and ice nazis, to which I say live on, live on.
so... you know. to me... Nate's portrayed as immature dumbass on purpose. everyone telling him to give up isn't hyperbole. its pointing out for the player a big character flaw.
Amy Henning is also responsible for Raziel and if you want an unsufferable shit look no further. I am sure many hardcore UC fans find Nate Heroic but that doesn't mean it was entirely black and white... He's only good superficially. and while the advertising shys away from this point I feel the writing does a decent job of pointing it out.
Amy Henning is also responsible for Raziel and if you want an unsufferable shit look no further. I am sure many hardcore UC fans find Nate Heroic but that doesn't mean it was entirely black and white... He's only good superficially. and while the advertising shys away from this point I feel the writing does a decent job of pointing it out.
Whatever point you where trying to make was lost in a sea of spelling mistakes and horrible grammar.foxlovingfreak said:
See, a genuinely unique and funny solution to the desert second wind scene would be to have him get it, but replace the enemies with thirst hallucinations. Like giant gummy bears shooting lasers from their groins until you use the flower in your hand to plant a heart right between the eyes. Finally, the illusion would slowly melt away after water was found... leading to the horrific discovery that you'd just massacred an innocent village. Now there's a moral dilemma we haven't seen in gaming yet.
Yahtzee! Stop hitting that nail on the head. What did it ever do to you?
This sums up my experience. Favorite moment was that bit in the cafe, where we learn that Drake isn't Drake. I also like Cutter.
I knew something was up with this series when I played 2, where I'm supposed to swallow that Drake, who can't plan for shit and keeps making bad decisions constantly, in the manner of an ordinary man in an extraordinary situation, keeps pulling out a doctorate in archaeology and masters' in dead languages when we have no reason to think he completed high school algebra (circa the third game).
I groaned, physically GROANED when Elena turned up again, and considered who to stab when he walked off with her into the sunset again. I actually feel better when I imagine them flying off to time loop back to 1 at the end of three.
This sums up my experience. Favorite moment was that bit in the cafe, where we learn that Drake isn't Drake. I also like Cutter.
I knew something was up with this series when I played 2, where I'm supposed to swallow that Drake, who can't plan for shit and keeps making bad decisions constantly, in the manner of an ordinary man in an extraordinary situation, keeps pulling out a doctorate in archaeology and masters' in dead languages when we have no reason to think he completed high school algebra (circa the third game).
I groaned, physically GROANED when Elena turned up again, and considered who to stab when he walked off with her into the sunset again. I actually feel better when I imagine them flying off to time loop back to 1 at the end of three.
However good the Yahtzee intentions are, these statements are obvious. The holes in the plot are the size of the moon for sure but the real issue is: why the hell no critic sees that! Seriously, in Uncharted 2 there is this big action movie cliché where the hero can kill the bad guy and end up all there but it doesn?t because "I'm not a murderer" or any shit like that. BUT the player pause the game and ban! 900 deaths so far. Man, if Drake killed the villain he could save dozens of lives, a serious act of humanity. But, no critic saw it.
It's too bad that the rumors of Naughty Dog 'abandoning' Uncharted like they did Jak and Daxter and Crash might be true, it's been done those two times already after a trilogy and a side game or two, it can happen again.
Golden Abyss, a prequel, is already outsourced. So it's pretty close to being true.
They seem to be shifting their focus to The Last of Us, which was in development for at least four-ish years by part of the design staff, and does look interesting and maybe even good. Though the game is reminicent of the environments of Enslaved with the gameplay of a Half-Life/Left4Dead vibe, or Resident Evil 4. Though they could just make it play essentially like Uncharted with tweaks, never know.
Would be nice to have some solid character development for Drake to make him human, but it may not come to pass. Never know, Naughty Dog could suprise us....maybe.
Golden Abyss, a prequel, is already outsourced. So it's pretty close to being true.
They seem to be shifting their focus to The Last of Us, which was in development for at least four-ish years by part of the design staff, and does look interesting and maybe even good. Though the game is reminicent of the environments of Enslaved with the gameplay of a Half-Life/Left4Dead vibe, or Resident Evil 4. Though they could just make it play essentially like Uncharted with tweaks, never know.
Would be nice to have some solid character development for Drake to make him human, but it may not come to pass. Never know, Naughty Dog could suprise us....maybe.
I enjoyed the original Uncharted, and loved the second one. But when I recently watched the GamesTrailers video compilation of the Game awards, I felt disappointed that the game won so many awards.
Story campaign has literally become the game's cliche. The cover based shooting was probably better done in Gears of War (And I don't own an Xbox).
His motivation? It's more assumed than anything. All he says it'd be a great thing to find. Sully was not a driving motivation, he just knew the way, and also Drake might've been feeling guilty about dragging his best friend on yet another damned scavenger hunt. Even when he is questioned about his motives, he shrugs it off, and it makes me want to cave his skull in the the controller so he will fucking emote. Nathan Drake's character has the casting range of Neo from the Matrix.
The plot? More like plod. I'm sorry but when I heard they came up with the set pieces and 'epic' things he gets to do, then they string it all together, it made me understand why the game seemed more of an Indiana Jones/Tour Guide masturbation fetish [And this has become a lot more scathing than I was trying to intend].
The whole plot 'twist' when we discover that Drake is not his real family name was as jarring as a gentle curve, especially when Nathan sulks like a schoolkid getting told off by the teacher.
While writing all this up, I just noticed that my 'captcha' thing would've been incorrect and I cared more about that than the entirety of this stupidly put together game.
Naughty Dog (and by proxy Nolan North), I'm not trying to say the game was bad, but generally when you set the bar high, you go higher and not use it as a limbo stick.
If you manage to drudge up a fourth game, (and you care about the gamers who want this franchise to be good again) please, watch Pixar movies and learn about emotions. It is actually depressing how you put this together.
If you want me to come up with a better script or game idea, I would happily offer suggestions. I really did like the first two games, but I was so over the moon to return this game I fear for what was once an excellent franchise.
And if people have a problem with my responses, I will happily explain my point of view. I will not defend it as it is an opinion and pointless to defend.
Story campaign has literally become the game's cliche. The cover based shooting was probably better done in Gears of War (And I don't own an Xbox).
His motivation? It's more assumed than anything. All he says it'd be a great thing to find. Sully was not a driving motivation, he just knew the way, and also Drake might've been feeling guilty about dragging his best friend on yet another damned scavenger hunt. Even when he is questioned about his motives, he shrugs it off, and it makes me want to cave his skull in the the controller so he will fucking emote. Nathan Drake's character has the casting range of Neo from the Matrix.
The plot? More like plod. I'm sorry but when I heard they came up with the set pieces and 'epic' things he gets to do, then they string it all together, it made me understand why the game seemed more of an Indiana Jones/Tour Guide masturbation fetish [And this has become a lot more scathing than I was trying to intend].
The whole plot 'twist' when we discover that Drake is not his real family name was as jarring as a gentle curve, especially when Nathan sulks like a schoolkid getting told off by the teacher.
While writing all this up, I just noticed that my 'captcha' thing would've been incorrect and I cared more about that than the entirety of this stupidly put together game.
Naughty Dog (and by proxy Nolan North), I'm not trying to say the game was bad, but generally when you set the bar high, you go higher and not use it as a limbo stick.
If you manage to drudge up a fourth game, (and you care about the gamers who want this franchise to be good again) please, watch Pixar movies and learn about emotions. It is actually depressing how you put this together.
If you want me to come up with a better script or game idea, I would happily offer suggestions. I really did like the first two games, but I was so over the moon to return this game I fear for what was once an excellent franchise.
And if people have a problem with my responses, I will happily explain my point of view. I will not defend it as it is an opinion and pointless to defend.
Just play the Legacy of Kain series, Yathzee. You will understand how low the mighy Amy Henning has fallen