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Khadath

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I'm ordering a new computer and it comes an Intel Core 2 Extreme processor.
Now to some this may seem like a stupid question but I haven't been paying attention to new hardware lately and this is the first I've heard of it so.

Is an extreme processor better or worse than a core 2 quad?
 

Twilight_guy

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From what I've seen it is supposed to be better, but the ones I have seen are ridiculous expensive, so I haven't looked into it.
 

Aries_Split

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Worse.

Way Worse.

Hideously worse.

Over-Priced, underpowered trash.

Go with a Q6600.

You won't be dissappointed.
 

Khadath

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Twilight_guy said:
From what I've seen it is supposed to be better, but the ones I have seen are ridiculous expensive, so I haven't looked into it.
Well the price isn't that bad I'm getting an AlienWare computer and this one comes with an Extreme for $1349 but all the ones with Quads are up around $1600-$1900.
 

Aries_Split

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Alienware...Are you set on getting that? It's much easier and cheaper to just build one yourself.

(Which is surprisingly easy to do)

If you want a good gaming Build, wait for Eggo to show up!
 

Khadath

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I know AlienWare is kinda expensive but there are some awesome features with their cases, ie. they look fucking awesome and the tool-free thing they've got is going to make upgrades so much easier.
 

Aries_Split

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Khadath said:
I know AlienWare is kinda expensive but there are some awesome features with their cases, ie. they look fucking awesome and the tool-free thing they've got is going to make upgrades so much easier.
Ummm...no.

No no no no.

AlienWare computers HATE to be upgraded.

And I think my case is pretty.
 

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If I bought a stock Ferrari, it'd be fast and it'd be a FERRARI.
But if I bought the shell of a crapmobile, then rebuilt it myself with premium third party guts, well, it might not look as good, and people may never have heard of it, but when it DICKS on their FERRARI, they'll REMEMBER it.
A case is just a face, it's what's inside that counts. :)
 

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Khadath said:
Twilight_guy said:
From what I've seen it is supposed to be better, but the ones I have seen are ridiculous expensive, so I haven't looked into it.
Well the price isn't that bad I'm getting an AlienWare computer and this one comes with an Extreme for $1349 but all the ones with Quads are up around $1600-$1900.
Jees, just get a i7 (nehalem) CPU for that price.
 

Khadath

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RAKtheUndead said:
Please, for the love of whatever deity you believe in, do not buy an Alienware computer. For that matter, do not buy a Core 2 Extreme.

The Core 2 Extreme is heavily overpriced, with an overclocked Q6600 soon overtaking it in terms of performance for a far lower price, and an overclocked Q9550 making it look like the worst choice in the world.

If you just have to have the most powerful processor around, get a Core i7 920 and overclock the shit out of it. Even from a base level, the i7 920 makes the previous Core 2 processors look weak, so when sufficiently overclocked, it kicks the crap out of a Core 2 Extreme. Of course, there's no point buying a Core i7 unless you're going to go with an NVIDIA GTX 280 or ATI Radeon 4870X2 to go with it, but I suppose if you're already considering a Core 2 Extreme, that those graphics cards would have already been considered.

Now, back to Alienware. Their computers aren't just kind of expensive - they're overpriced to an insane degree. How about a comparison between two equivalent builds?

Alienware Computer:
ALX X58:
Intel Core i7-940 Processor
Alienware® P2 ALX Chassis


Alienware® 1200 Watt Multi-GPU Approved Power Supply
Single 1GB NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 280
6GB DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz - 3 x 2048MB
Alienware® Approved Intel® X-58 Motherboard
Genuine Windows Vista® Ultimate (64-bit Edition) with Service Pack 1
2TB (2 x 1TB) SATA 3Gb/s 7,200RPM 2 x 32MB Cache
20X Dual Layer Burner (DVD±RW) w/ LightScribe
Dual High Performance Gigabit Ethernet Ports
Creative Sound Blaster® X-Fi? XtremeGamer High Definition 7.1 Audio
22" Samsung 2253BW ? 1680 x 1050 (2ms) Widescreen Flat Panel
Logitech® Z-5500 5.1 505-Watt Speakers
Logitech® G15 Keyboard
Logitech® G9 Laser Mouse
Alienware® 28-in-1 Media Card Reader with Bluetooth

Price: $5,397.00 (ex. shipping & handling)
Home-Build - from Komplett IE:
Intel DX58SO, X58, Socket-1366
Intel Core? i7 Quad Processor i7-940
Thermaltake Toughpower 1200W, Modular
Thermaltake Armor Black, Aluminium Front
EVGA GeForce GTX 280 1GB PhysX CUDA
Corsair TWIN3X 1600MHz DDR3, 6GB, DHX+
Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 64-bit
WD Caviar® Black 1TB 3,5", SATA
NEC DVD±RW burner AD-7201S, SATA, Black
NETGEAR PCI Gigabit Ethernet Adapter
Creative SB X-FI Xtreme Gamer
Samsung 22" Wide Syncmaster 2243BW
Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard
Logitech G9 Laser Mouse, USB
Belkin SurgeMaster Maximum, 8-Way, 2m
Logitech Z-5500 5.1 THX, DTS

Price: ?3,097.98 (ex. shipping and handling)
Converting the euro price directly into dollars, to take account of the so-called "European tax", we come up with a price differential of:

$2,299.02.

There is absolutely no way that the warranty and customisation of an Alienware system will ever be worth a price differential of over $2,000 over a home-built system. Note as well that for the Core i7 home-built system, I deliberately used parts that I'd never consider in my own builds, like the Logitech G15, which I consider to be an overpriced piece of elaborate nonsense (and it's rare for me to think that about a Logitech product, but it's going to be the Unicomp Model M keyboard for me), a 1200W power supply (that build shouldn't need more than a 750W power supply), and most prominently, the more expensive i7-940 processor, which has a puny 170MHz clock increase on the i7-920.

Indeed, my own prospective Core i7 build, without peripherals and software, would cost only slightly over ?1,500. I'm waiting for that price to drop as well, because there really isn't a game out there other than Crysis which requires a ?1,500 computer right now.

But whatever way you look at it, you're getting royally ripped off buying an Alienware system. I would beseech you to build it yourself. Please. If a gesture of begging could be accurately portrayed using ASCII text, you can imagine that I'd be doing it right now. Alienware sells overpriced (and difficult to upgrade - thanks for noting that, Aries) junk, and you'll be so much better off with a computer you built yourself.
You must be getting screwed on exchange rates. the one I'm planing on getting(Area 51790i Quad Core Flagship) comes to near $2,100 AU with the before mentioned Radon 4870X2 and I can get a Core i7 920 for $475 AU from a place called MSY.

I convert you're 1500Eu to $2,950AU I've still got 400 spare.

But over all because you mentioned overclocking the i7 witch I'm not a fan of especially on 40degree celsius days with no aircon, would it be better than an extreme with out the overclocking?
 

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Eggo said:
Just reading this thread makes me want to stab something; please, if you actually enjoy computer gaming, you should learn how easy it is to build a gaming computer.
I even have a handy, helpful guide to build your own: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ashen1/ashen/menu/build/intro.htm
 

Khadath

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I know how to build a computer, just the one I designed would cost $1300AUD(without operating system) but the AlienWare one is a few hundred more and is better besides I can always update it. I just hadn't heard of an i7 or extreme processor and now I know I'm probably going to stick with the extreme for a while.
Thank you RAKtheUNDEAD for you're help.

Now what is everyone's problem with AlienWare? They cost a bit more but I think it's worth it, liquid cooling and a kick-arse case, I would like to have a computer that didn't look like every other piece of shit in my room.
 

superbleeder12

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Liquid cooling really is useless unless you're going to overclock the shit out of your machine. But seriously? liquid cooling? NEXT TO ELECTRONICS!?

not in my computer. If you know how to build a computer, and you're going to buy an alienware PC(of junk) just because it has a pretty case. Then, sir, your priorities are in the wrong place.

P.S. Lexa
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Laughing Man

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Liquid cooling really is useless unless you're going to overclock the shit out of your machine. But seriously? liquid cooling? NEXT TO ELECTRONICS!?
You do know that most decent liquid cooling loops use a non conductive fluid???

Now what is everyone's problem with AlienWare?
Generally overpriced for what you are getting, I also hate the cases a lot of people think they look nice but really they just look tacky.
 

Khadath

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Laughing Man said:
Liquid cooling really is useless unless you're going to overclock the shit out of your machine. But seriously? liquid cooling? NEXT TO ELECTRONICS!?
You do know that most decent liquid cooling loops use a non conductive fluid???

Now what is everyone's problem with AlienWare?
Generally overpriced for what you are getting, I also hate the cases a lot of people think they look nice but really they just look tacky.
Thank you for something constructive.

Now I know many of you live in Europe or the US but I'm living in Australia at the moment, that's right the land of no R18+ rating for games, internet restrictions, unfair exchange rates and fucking hot weather that makes liquid cooling worth it if you don't have air-conditioning like me.

Now when I say a bit more expensive I mean $500 but comes with a better case with liquid cooling, an operating system, bigger and better hard drive, better graphics card and DDR3 RAM where as I was just getting a lot of DDR2.
 

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If your in Australia go to this website http://www.gamedude.com.au/ and custom build a pc. you'll get it for way less than the alienware one. Ive been using them for years and can't fault their service.
 

Laughing Man

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Thank you for something constructive.

Now I know many of you live in Europe or the US but I'm living in Australia at the moment
To be honest even if you can't be bothered to do a self build, chances are you will still be able to get a cheaper pre built from someone other than Del.. sorry, Alienware.
 

Aries_Split

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Laughing Man said:
Thank you for something constructive.

Now I know many of you live in Europe or the US but I'm living in Australia at the moment
To be honest even if you can't be bothered to do a self build, chances are you will still be able to get a cheaper pre built from someone other than Del.. sorry, Alienware.
Alienware is the child of Dell now.
Or were you hinting at that?