Facebook Chat is Stupid
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Well I don't mean to say forums are for that but it's certainly a parallel.AndyFromMonday said:
Here you're just plain wrong. Maybe all your friends are boring and just talk about their life all day but when I go on Facebook I get the same sort of posts and discussions that you'd see on this forum. It's like a forum where the members consist of my friends and acquaintances.AndyFromMonday said:
You do still get life-orientated posts but it's usually stuff worth discussing, like "Hey what did you guys think of the party?". And it's also a great tool for organising events and sharing photos for those that get out a lot.
Well that's one use for social networking but yeah a lot of things will be kept personal, it's not like everyone wants to broadcast every detail of their life.AndyFromMonday said:
If you think something might be worth discussing among a lot of people though which would you prefer; calling everyone up or making a single post on a website?
At least to me that's what they are. A place where you are free to exchange ideas free of censorship. The idea of "making friends" on the internet sounds a bit stupid to me.Dexiro said:
Well my friends don't use Facebook. In fact, neither of us have used any sort of social networking website except for one dude and from the two hundred people he had as "friends" I was amazed to see he would barely converse with one. I mean sure, when he posted an update he got replies but in the end, those are the opinions of people that don't really care much for you so what's the point then?Dexiro said:
Like what for example? Also, I'm more inclined to believe that most of the so called "friends" you have are not so much friends as they are random people you added.Dexiro said:
And you can't do that by meeting up and talking on the phone? If those people are your friends then I'm assuming you get quite personal with them, sharing things that you wouldn't normally share with others. Facebook and social networking in general just seems so artificial to me. I mean, if you wanted to talk about a party or meetup or whatever wouldn't you do it with your friends right there in front of you? What's the point of letting people you don't really care about or that you rarely talk to know that you were pissed last night? It seems more like attention whoring to me than anything else.Dexiro said:
Would you rather spend your time on Facebook or out drinking with your friends? If it's the latter, is there something impeding you from sharing your story with them then?Dexiro said:
Er, if I met up or phoned all of my friends I don't think I'd have the time to do anything else during the day. And I think your definition of friend differs from others, there are 'friends' and 'close friends', there's a difference there. Just being a 'friend' doesn't mean I don't really care about them either. I'm also sure that forums can be seen as a way to whore for attention as well.AndyFromMonday said:
I think that's probably the reason why you don't understand it. It's a different experience when everyone you know, close or not, uses it.AndyFromMonday said:
I can't be bothered to split up your quote but you seem to be making a lot of random assumptions.AndyFromMonday said:
The people I add on Facebook are all people I talk to regularly and/or have met in real life, I don't just add random internet people unless I talk to them a lot. With my real life friends I share videos, images, discuss recent news and such, pretty much the same as what you get on forums.
Alongside that you can organise events at the click of a button. If things need to be organised regularly it's much more convenient to spend 5 minutes on Facebook than to spend potentially hours getting in contact with people over the phone.
You ask would I rather spend time on Facebook or out drinking with friends, I don't see why you think these are mutually exclusive. Having a Facebook account that I visit for maybe 10 minutes a day isn't impeding my ability to go outside and socialise.
How many of the people you added are actual close friends, people who you regularly go out with?Dexiro said:
What do you mean by "potentially hours" and what sort of events are we talking about here?Dexiro said:
If you're only using it 10 minutes a day then where do you find the time to actually have the meaningful discussions you've mentioned?Dexiro said:
I used Facebook chat as a backup when I was playing Habbo Hotel. I got banned and muted a lot. Now, Facebook chat is always offline, unless I turn it on for a small chat without having to open up MSN/Skype or sending a text message. Scared me shitless when I opened it up after the update and this huge list came from nowhere.
Edit friends, make a group, limit availability on chat to just the group you actually want to talk to. Or just appear offline constantly.
I end up having the same kinds of conversation on there I do in real life, usually with the same people. Seems to work.
I end up having the same kinds of conversation on there I do in real life, usually with the same people. Seems to work.
You seem to think that Facebook chat makes you friend stupid people, which is your own fault.TheAztec said:For all you facebookians out there, I have a question: have you ever had a meaningful conversation on facebook?
Here's how an average conversation goes between me and a facebook friend:
Me (thinking): Oh god, that person's online. I hope she doesn't start a conversation with m-
Them: HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII BAAAAAAAAABEZZZZZZZZZZZZ HRU???
Me (thinking): I'm in deep shit now. If I go offline, it might hurt their feelings. If I talk with them, I could be in for as long as an hour.
Them: WHY YOU NO REPLY :'(((((((((((((((((((((
Me: Hi, (Person's name). How are you?
Them: HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
Me: ... That's nice.
Them: OH HAHAHA YOU SO FUNNEH
Me: ...
Them: so... watcha doin
Me (thinking): What do you think I'm doing? I'm on facebook aren't I?
Me: Nothing much...
Them: OH GOTTA GO LUV YA BYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEE <3
Stupid? Useless? Annoying? I think yes. I'm constantly bombarded with people starting useless conversations with me. Please tell me ONE thing facebook chat is good for.
Plus, it seems like you don't know how to make yourself "offline" in chat.
Ok you're getting ridiculous now :/ Is it really that hard to admit that Facebook is of use to some people. I could go ahead and say I have 10 close friends and it wouldn't matter, it's all down to personal experience.AndyFromMonday said:
If you must know I have 50 friends added, around 4 are people are close friends that I go out with regularly, a few are close friends over the internet, and a lot are people I talk to less regularly but they're close enough to be worth getting to know a little. I can still talk to my close friends over the phone, over Skype or in person regularly but that doesn't negate Facebook's usefulness.
Well if you're inviting people to a party and you seem intent on doing everything over the phone you could be spending ages talking to and trying to get in contact with everyone. While using Facebook as an alternative takes like 5 minutes.AndyFromMonday said:
If I do get into a discussion then yeah I'll probably be on for more than 10 minutes but I really don't see why it's relevant. I'm just confused about the point you were trying to make, are you trying to say Facebook is time consuming and stops you from socialising in person?AndyFromMonday said:
There is nothing to admit. I find social networking in general to have no purpose whatsoever. If it's of "use" to some people then I'd like to know how. As it stands the only people I see using social networks are either people craving attention or as a means of publicity.Dexiro said:
And what do you mean by "close enough"? If you actually gave a shit wouldn't you attempt to become actual close friends? You know, go out with them and stuff like that? I mean your last sentence says it all really. VOIP programs and phones really do negate any sort of usefulness social networking might have. There's just no way around it.Dexiro said:
Maybe in the UK parties involve hundreds of individuals but I always thought of them more like a gathering of friends, usually involving about 6 or 7 people. Either way, I don't remember ever having to call every single person when going out. It's usually call one or two people then they do the rest.Dexiro said:
No, I'm saying that it's useless.Dexiro said:
I'm always amazed by this forum's ability to hate Facebook just because apparently we can't mingle with the commoners. It's a communication tool, you fools! If you're going to complain about Facebook containing idiots why don't you complain about video games containing violence?
Why don't you, I don't know, just use a bit of care and attention so that you can get the most out of it rather than whining like a peeved hipster every time it gets mentioned?
Why don't you, I don't know, just use a bit of care and attention so that you can get the most out of it rather than whining like a peeved hipster every time it gets mentioned?
Alright then, I'll tell you what use Facebook has been to me. It keeps me in the loop, it keeps me up to date with my friends who have gone on to other universities, it's incredibly useful for organising events and I fairly frequently use it to chat with some of my friends who I wouldn't be able to see otherwise. On account of the fact that they're living a hundred miles away. Now all of these things could be done through other systems, but can you not see the appeal of being able to log onto a single website and do all these things in one go?AndyFromMonday said:
Well, "close enough" can refer to those people who you get along with fairly well, but simply haven't known for long enough to be able to hang out with at the drop of a hat. There isn't just an instant cut-off between 'people I'd happily spend entire days with' and 'strangers'. And I can think of few better ways to meet up with the people between these groups than based on things organised through social networking.
Since you are obviously ignorant on how the event system works on say, Facebook, allow me to inform you. One person sets up an event page complete with a date and time, as well as information about the event itself. They then pick a selection of people off their friends list to be invited. Those people can then respond through the built in system to say whether they'll be coming or not. In addition to this, and this is the crucial part, they can post on this page which all those who are invited to the event are informed about and can respond. This is incredibly useful if someone needs, for example, a lift to the party. They can make one post and then take the optimum option offered by others. Using a phone, they'd have to phone people up one at a time until they got a potential solution and even then they wouldn't know this is the best solution unless they phoned everybody on the guest list.
Even then, this is assuming that everyone is able to pick up their phone when you call them, and you aren't left trying to second guess when the right time to call them is. Unlike with a social network site, where you can make a post and others can respond to it at leisure. By the way, for a party I'm thinking at least fifteen people. And while phoning people or meeting up with them is more social than using Facebook, I don't feel the need to be extra social when I'm trying to organise a social event. I mean, meeting with people in order to organise meeting with people? That's a paradox and a half.
And one last thing; when you phone a couple of people and expect them to pass the message on, there's loads of flaws in that plan. First of all, that's not actually saving time over all, it's just saving you time. Secondly, you're assuming that all the people you intend to invite are from the same group of friends. Finally, if you ever need to update your plans you have to start the process all over again. Basically you're calling social networking useless because you do not need to do the things that others use it for. By the same logic, I feel that construction cranes are useless because I personally do not need them.
Right, because it helps me keep in contact with numerous friends and makes organising events much easier. Oh, I just though of another thing. You can't share links to websites or funny pictures when meeting in person.
o-o I give up. I'm explaining how social networking sites are useful and you respond with "If it's of "use" to some people then I'd like to know how", I think this sums up this "argument" perfectly.AndyFromMonday said:
You can take your straw man arguments and such elsewhere, 1000's of people obviously find Facebook useful or else they wouldn't be using it, I couldn't care less if you don't.
