Fallout 3 Made Me Drop PC Gaming

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Allan53

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I went down to my local EB, as they were having a big sale, and picked up, among other things, Fallout 3, a game I'd heard very good things about, enough to justify paying the $25 or so (like I said, big sale). Then, due to assignments etc I put it aside, saying I'll get to it later. In the meantime, my brother installed it and had a lot of fun.

Finally, he finished it, and I was free from assessment, so I put it in the drive and tried to run it. No dice, apparently it doesn't like being autorun. Ok, fine, no problem. Ran the setup.exe, spazzed out. Bounced around on the Bethesda forums, no dice, eventually found a solution elsewhere. Ok, finally got to install it. Then I tried to run it.

Apparently Bethesda doesn't like its precious game keeping company with certain programs. If you have any of a number of Securom things on your computer, the game will refuse to run. I popped back onto the forums (apparently I'm a masochist), and after some searching found a few people complaining of the same issue. The moderators shut down their threads almost immediately, saying that the official policy in these matters was, more or less, "too bad, use another computer".

At that, I officially decided I am done with PC gaming. Between the hardware requirements being ridiculous, the general lack of support, increasingly limited selection of games and being generally treated like a criminal even if you're trying to support them by buying the game (overprice and all, but that's a bit more global then just PC), an American company trying to dictate what I can and cannot have on my computer, even if the software is totally legal and used every day for legitimate purposes, is too far.

I truly believe that PCs have a lot to offer the gaming market, regardless of whether you prefer consoles or whatever. Another platform is a source of variety in the ways you can execute a game, and can lead to more depth overall. I also believe personally that some game types work better on PC, but this is just my personal preference. However, game developers seem intent on driving people towards consoles, and to be honest it's getting close to me dropping games altogether now, because I can see the market collapsing in on itself after all this crap reaches a head.

Summary: Fallout 3 is just the straw that broke the camels back, and I'm giving up on PC gaming altogether. If I ever play another PC game, it'll be pirated, as I cannot in good conscience support being treated like a criminal, even when I'm trying to do the right thing and buy a game legitimately.

EDIT: I seem to have confused people. What I meant was that if I ever play a PC game again (which will be a long time in the future), I would either play legit copies (because this has all sorted itself out and it's reasonable to do so), or a pirate, in order to avoid having an fMRI on my head the whole time scanning for deviant thoughts. However, I really don't think it being sorted is likely, so I see the pirate option as being more likely. But as I said, this would be a long way away.
 

CoverYourHead

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And this is why draconian DRM along with pirate logic is a circle of death and doom that is killing the PC industry. Yay DRM!
 

Der Kommissar

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I am curious as to which OS you tried to run it on.

Do not let companies disenchant you because of their ineptitude to make a game that works. It seems to be the same kind of issue in here as with Apple's new phone's hand positioning.
 
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Hey, you're being treated like a criminal before you are one. (Wasn't there a movie about that?) Welcome to Earth, where the ENTIRE WORLD works like that.
 

Cynical skeptic

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I think you skipped a step in your train of thought.

See, you went "game won't install because of securom -> OMFG FUK PC GAMIN!!" When you should've gone "game won't install because of securom -> google: securom remover."

Or just not played oblivion with guns, as bethesda is the worst house currently making games.
 

Woodsey

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Sounds like GfWL was playing up.

Everyone's dropping that piece of shit now, by the way. Anyway, whatever. Can't say I've actually heard anyone complain about system reqs. very much recently (apart from with GTA IV, obviously).

And for as many developers that want to ignore the PC market, there are just as many to support it.

Oh, and why didn't you just get a cracked .exe to remove the DRM?

I despise piracy and pirates (you're cunts guys, seriously) but as you've already bought it there's no reason to not remove it if it's preventing you from playing.
 

PoliceBox63

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You dont have this problems with consoles. I suggest moving to one if you want to enjoy your games without problems such as these.
 

mad825

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*humph*
you dont sound like a real PC gamer in my opinion.

PC gaming is just more than Install>play, you are really into PC gaming you would at least have some knowledge in software modification and the ability/knowledge to troubleshoot and fix minor problems such as this.
 

HijiriOni

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What I don't get is why they don't just add keyboard and mouse support to ps3/360 and then just let people run games off them like a PC game. At least that way we could have the best of both worlds.

The only thing missing from consoles that PC games have after that is user generated content and mods.
 

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This is exactly why i don;t agree with the draconian ways some companies choose to protect their games. Don't get me wrong, i think piracy is worse then DRM, but when it starts to harm legitimate customers the idea has clearly gone the wrong way. I used to play a lot of pirated games, but a few years ago i just decided i didnt want to be on the wrong side of the fence anymore. It may also have had something to do with my rising income though.
 

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If Fallout 3 made you drop PC gaming then it's probably a good thing simply because your experience with Fallout 3 is incredibly common and it seems to be getting worse by the month. In fact a couple of weeks ago I made a thread on The Escapist pleading for people's help trying to start Assassin's Creed 2 because Ubisoft's controvertial launch program was detected as a virus, (because it pretty much is,) all attempts to start the game were met with error messages and requests to re-install and I had exhausted all other attempts including customer support. I finally got it working by downloading a little tool that was supposed to make it easier to run pirated copies of the game. Turns out it lets legitimate owners play it too.

To summarise, I had to resort to criminal activity to get into a game I bought legitimatly.

Every time I buy a game, and it is a fairly rare thing for me nowadays, I weigh up the likelyhood that I'll enjoy the game with how many hours of gameplay it'll give me wih the price and, increasingly one of the most important considerations, how long it'll take me to get the fucking thing working the fucking way it's fucking supposed to. I wasted about five hours trying to get Assassin's Creed 2 to work, I lamented the fact that I wasn't getting paid to fiddle with the fucking thing and in fact had just paid fifty bucks for the privelage of a big goddamn headache. And yeah, the game was good, I enjoyed it but fucking Hell getting it started was a task an a half and to be honest I'm not sure, had I known I'd be wasting five hous to get the thing to work, whether I would have bought it in the first place.

What I'm trying to say is I feel your pain. Unfortunately my skills at operating console controllers leave a lot to be desired so I'll stick to PC for now but continue to ***** and moan along he way.
 

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Allan53 said:
If I ever play another PC game, it'll be pirated, as I cannot in good conscience support being treated like a criminal, even when I'm trying to do the right thing and buy a game legitimately.
First of all, I sympathize. I buy a game, put it in the computer, there's an 80% chance things won't go as planned, 50% chance I'll have to look up how to work it, 10% chance it just won't work at all no matter what I do.

But do not, even for a second, do not think to use this as an excuse for piracy. It will make you into yet another selfish, high-and-mighty moron, and the world has enough of those already. Not to mention you will then have justified being treated like a criminal. Because you will be one. And you'll be contributing to the problem you're currently complaining about.

Just do what you're suggesting; stop playing PC games. It's always an option, however often it is overlooked. It's not like there isn't a boatload of fantastic console games.
 

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HijiriOni said:
What I don't get is why they don't just add keyboard and mouse support to ps3/360 and then just let people run games off them like a PC game. At least that way we could have the best of both worlds.

The only thing missing from consoles that PC games have after that is user generated content and mods.
That's quite a big thing missing. And the hardware of course.
 

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HijiriOni said:
What I don't get is why they don't just add keyboard and mouse support to ps3/360 and then just let people run games off them like a PC game. At least that way we could have the best of both worlds.
Agreed! That's the only thing that's stopping me from owning a console.

HijiriOni said:
The only thing missing from consoles that PC games have after that is user generated content and mods.
I can live without mods if they add mouse, keyboard and a good web browser.
 

Cynical skeptic

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Mr Thin said:
First of all, I sympathize. I buy a game, put it in the computer, there's an 80% chance things won't go as planned, 50% chance I'll have to look up how to work it, 10% chance it just won't work at all no matter what I do.
Whereas, if you pirate, theres a 95% chance everything will go swimmingly.

This is why DRM can't win.
TheComedown said:
If I ever play another PC game, it'll be pirated, as I cannot in good conscience support being treated like a criminal
I'm probably not the first to notice the irony there.
Well, considering thats not ironic... treat one like a criminal, one acts like a criminal.
 

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Allan53 said:
At that, I officially decided I am done with PC gaming. Between the hardware requirements being ridiculous, the general lack of support, increasingly limited selection of games and being generally treated like a criminal even if you're trying to support them by buying the game (overprice and all, but that's a bit more global then just PC)
"Hardware requirements being ridiculous"? how so? they don't ask for more then the consoles have.

"the general lack of support"??? haha WHAT? steam supports hundreds of games, if not more. Not to mentions community patches and mods, hell even GFWL patched my Fallout 3 its self.

"increasingly limited selection of games"? have you been looking? don't forget the insanely huge indie scene.

"generally treated like a criminal" .... ok some of the devs are stingy as towards their communities, but most are really good towards them, valve, Blizzard are the first to that come to mind, and again the indie scene can be given some credit.

as for your actual problem. Is it the same computer? if so is it different profiles? and in the end its really not that big a deal to get the securom removal tools.

If I ever play another PC game, it'll be pirated, as I cannot in good conscience support being treated like a criminal
I'm probably not the first to notice the irony there.
 

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But what about Starcraft 2? :( With Steams massive sale i've actually turned back to PC Gaming, away from my X-box. Also I am preparing myself for the launch of SC2, and the beta takes up most of my time. But PC gaming was what introduced me to multiplayer gaming, and I still prefer PC multiplayer gaming to that of any console.
 

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yes fallout 3 is a retard to get running on your pc, it happened to me (apparantly fallout 3 hates quad core laptops(intel i7)) but after an hour of searching i found a solution and it happens so that fallout 3 is what made me take up pc gaming. yes all the requirements are annoying but the reward is worth it.
 

Mr Thin

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Cynical skeptic said:
Mr Thin said:
First of all, I sympathize. I buy a game, put it in the computer, there's an 80% chance things won't go as planned, 50% chance I'll have to look up how to work it, 10% chance it just won't work at all no matter what I do.
Whereas, if you pirate, theres a 95% chance everything will go swimmingly.

This is why DRM can't win.
No, it can't. DRM is ****ing stupid.

But it only exists because of piracy.

Well, piracy and SPECTACULARLY bad judgment.